Referee Decapitated After Stabbing Player
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I'm surprised at the amount of people here not exerting a cursory amount of research who seem to be under the impression that this was some kind of professional contest when even the link in the OP describes it as an 'amateur' game. It didn't take place in a stadium, if it had done the police/security would quash any attempted pitch invasion within seconds, the confederations cup final had a combined security force of about 12,000 people for fucks sake. The game in question sounds like the Brazilian equivalent of a Sunday league match; no seats, no stands, very informal, pretty much only attended by friends and family of the players who stand around the sidelines, certainly not the kind of thing you'd have police/security on hand for. I'd be willing to hazard a guess that the audience consisted of about 100/200 people at the very most. That said, it is still very sad and shocking news to hear, pretty barbaric stuff, especially for this sort of thing to erupt over a football squabble and along with the riots it certainly isn't going to do Brazil any favours for their image, but let's not get carried away here people, this shit would never fly in any kind of professional setting let alone the fucking world cup. Don't get me wrong, it's terrible this happened, but I think quite a few people in this thread are misunderstanding the circumstances and setting of this story.
Dude I know it's a joke but I live next door to Brazil and I'm just as shocked as everybody in here. It's not like this happens all the time. First time I ever hear of such a thing.Nomadic Fanatic said:
Exactly what I was looking for...OmniscientOstrich said:
This was clearly not an official game/match... If the referee is allowed to walk around with a machete, it is also safe to assume that people were OK with that, meaning that the neighborhood wasn't exactly safe. It is not a regular situation.
However, it is only normal to ask what people have asked....
Why would someone assault a refferee when they know he has a machete? Why would you stab that someone several times? Why would you torture the Stabber, mutilate him and display his head on a pike?
But more importantly, How can violence escalate to these levels? HOW CAN PEOPLE DOCUMENT THIS ON THEIR MOBILE PHONES AND NOT CALL THE COPS ....OR SOMETHING?
I personally have always feared groups for this reason, "belonging" to any certain alignment to me seems irresponsible... I am not "me", but "we"... as comforting as that may be, feeling that one fits with a certain ideology, I can't be OK with that kind of commitment.... but I know it is just the good old paranoid me too.
I too, have lived in Latin America most of my life, and I have never seen anything like this, but I can imagine sometimes, if the violence did break lose (over things like sport, or possibly politics... any catalyst will do), things could get messy. There is a lot of bottled up hate, but it is kept at bay thanks to certain social normatives. With this sort of thing, I cant help but wonder, if it came down to it, if someone did get killed and there was no supervision, would laws hold? even people in this forum have declared they would't have an issue with decapitating.
Really? people on these forums would be OK with furthering murder and torture to this level? Educated people with all their basic needs covered, internet access and, in contrast, a civilized, accommodated lifestyle? I suppose as @legion said (sorry about the tag, just seemd that you had the right idea), it is partly because we are still animals. It is the palpitating mindless crowd. But that's not even in the Mob.
This got to me more than anything... I'm still hoping it is some form of sarcasm.. or that you are just a shock jockey teen...FoolKiller said:Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. I'm not for violence but if someone brutally stabs my friend/family in front of me, I would have no trouble decapitating that person.Campaigner said:MAN! Crazy people! I think this is just mindblowingly awesome! Those Brazilians sure got BALLS! THAT'S for certain!
I totally understand his friends and relatives anger and fully support their revenge on the refeere. Paying back in the same currency with interest (head on a pike!).
Just awesome!
But let me ask you, is it OK if then the family of whoever you tortured and decapitated comes and tortures and decapitates you? It is true that we are animals, but social restrictions exist for a reason.
I had two expectations when I opened this thread: That I'd inadvertently see a picture of the gruesome event and that this happened in the Middle East. Neither of those happened, and thank god the first one didn't.
Honestly, I thought Brazil was one of the more... I dunno, "worldly" countries. Sure, we have sports riots and criminal athletes/officials here in America, but generally deaths that occur at our riots are accidental, not the entire point. That's just horrible.
I'm sure many Brazilians don't approve, obviously. Few approve of outright murder. It's just disturbing is all.
Honestly, I thought Brazil was one of the more... I dunno, "worldly" countries. Sure, we have sports riots and criminal athletes/officials here in America, but generally deaths that occur at our riots are accidental, not the entire point. That's just horrible.
I'm sure many Brazilians don't approve, obviously. Few approve of outright murder. It's just disturbing is all.
For who?FoolKiller said:
If a third party is involved why can't they have their life for life?
Wait did this happen in Brazil? I thought this kind of action only happened in places like Iran or Pakistan, I honestly thought that BRazil was against this or that this wasn't their typical action. The ref deserved to be punished, death penalty is probably not going too far considering that he had a knife on the field and that he carried this out in public, but still on this level. It's alarming. This is just a bad scenario all around, I really hope this didn't happen in Brazil.
Really makes you wonder what something like that gets you in places like Singapore.
Really makes you wonder what something like that gets you in places like Singapore.
Isn't Brazil on its way to being a 1st world country?LostGryphon said:I read the title and...
This defies all words, rationality, logic, and any sort of comprehension befitting a modern human being in the first world... which is why most stuff like this takes place in the second and third one.
I mean wow. Just. Wow. At least they didn't sew his head to the soccer ball, Game of Thrones style.
This could only happen in South America.
On a serious note though, it still amazes me how many people still view Latin America as this "3rd world poverty stricken hell hole". Reminds me of the comments I was given when I went through Florida in transit to Ecuador.
On a serious note though, it still amazes me how many people still view Latin America as this "3rd world poverty stricken hell hole". Reminds me of the comments I was given when I went through Florida in transit to Ecuador.
Err what? I know England used to be really bad when it came to football, but these days they're probably some of the most peaceful football fans (this is all relative of course). Eastern Europe, Italy, even France (did you see what happened after PSG won Ligue 1?) are much worse.Devil said:
Not taking away from your overall point, but yeah.
Yeah seriously do people still think Brazil is "third world?" Some parts are pretty poor, but still. Amazes me people still even use that term.TornadoADV said:
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How did people manage to make that link?waj9876 said:
I think people are forgetting how big Brazil is as well. There are affluent parts, and poor/isolated parts. The Brazil that's hosting the world cup isn't really the same Brazil where this kind of thing would happen.
His head was placed upon the pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some calls come at too high a price.Leemaster777 said:
No doubt, somebody there thought of this Babylon 5 reference and did the wave.
I'm surprised the player didn't kill another player with a knife, leading to the referee killing the player, the crowd killing the referee and then mass hysteria breaking out from which there would be but one survivor (Mr. Rogers). I'm appalled by the barbarity displayed in this most macabre turn of events, but not entirely surprised given the location and the sport involved.
South America is known for crazy violence, football is known for crazy violence.
But one would imagine that torture followed by skewering the head of said torture victim on a pike is something we've long since moved past. Several centuries past, in fact.
South America is known for crazy violence, football is known for crazy violence.
But one would imagine that torture followed by skewering the head of said torture victim on a pike is something we've long since moved past. Several centuries past, in fact.
Either you are being deliberately dense or are trolling. Either way, its not welcome.Delcast said:
It's not who took the life of the individual, it's the fact that the individual who took the first life forfeits theirs in exchange. In fact, I'll amend that to an even more extreme case. You try to stab me and I kill you in self defense. You forfeit your life when you tried to end mine. I don't deserve to die because had I not killed you, I would be dead.
I'm sure you can see that the dead player can't take the life of the referee that killed him. By an extension of the logic you applied, the ref should just walk away after murdering the player.
It boils down to what you think are reasons that killing someone is acceptable. I think there are three reasons: self-defense, defense of another, and (understandably the sticking point for most, and in this thread) revenge.
Now personally, if you rape/kill someone I care about I will try to make sure you go to prison forever, but if you get out of it then the societal rules have failed and you need to be dealt with through other means.
And they say video games cause violence ha ha ha.
Seriously though, what the hell, its football, how the hell does a game about kicking a ball around a pitch end up in decapitation?
Seriously though, what the hell, its football, how the hell does a game about kicking a ball around a pitch end up in decapitation?
You judge 7bn people on isolated incidents which are usually universally denounced?SimpleThunda said:
Can't stand people who act pretentious like that.
I've heard it's a very passionate culture, Brazil's, so I'm not too surprised this happened there.
I have a friend who's half Brazilian and he says that when there's a traffic jam over there, they all turn up their radios, get out the cars and have a little party.
So ups and downs I guess.
I have a friend who's half Brazilian and he says that when there's a traffic jam over there, they all turn up their radios, get out the cars and have a little party.
So ups and downs I guess.
lol really, so I offer a different view and I MUST BE TROLLING OR DENSE!? way to open with an insult while avoiding the issue at hand. What if instead of throwing epithets around, you try and think about what I said before you jump to conclusions?FoolKiller said:
To your points: There is no sign that in this event, anyone ever tried to seek police assistance. And YOU YOURSELF didn't imply you would recur to violence ONLY after recurring to lawful justice. You simply said you had no issues with decapitating someone who killed someone close to you. The issue is that the conflict might start and end with that for you, but that person you are willing to decapitate is also someone else's loved one. Sure they might understand that what their loved one did was wrong, but that doesn't mean that they are ok with them being tortured and decapitated. In fact, it is highly likely that they will justify their loved one's innocence out of their involvement with the individual.
This is why killing someone out of vengeance is a hate crime, and while I understand why you would feel entitled to do it, you can't be so myopic as to feel that the violence will stop at death for death, since you have no idea of what that other person's situation is like, or how anyone around them will react. Allowing this allows the potentially infinite escalation of violence.
I obviously never said that the person who initiated the violence should go unpunished. Clearly the referee should face Justice, but not from a relative, since they are incapable of objectively gauging the situation. A relative may feel entitled to punish the offender, but the closer to the conflict the blinder you are to the facts, and the more likely that senseless violent escalation might happen...
The fact is that you know little about the situation too, you put yourself in one of the spots, but surely a lot happened that you are simply inferring: what if the player threatened to rape the referee's sister-mother-daughter-son-dog? What if he assaulted him violently and the referee panicked? what if someone else saw the killing as justified self defense? of course none of this makes killing OK, and these are all -what ifs-, but there is absolutely no way to know and that is exactly why you can't jump to payback immediately.
In this sense you don't care about what the other person did, you care about having lost your loved one for what you feel are unfair reasons. In the same way, if whoever you retaliate against has loved ones, they are perfectly entitled to feel the same way (people tend to defend and justify the actions of the people they love, even when they are questionable) without meaning that either action is correct.
It can ( and historically has ) become just a pissing contest of who can hurt the "enemy" more.
As I said if this was just a kill for a kill, and if there had been some intention to notify authorities, I -could- possibly relate more, but as it is, I find it to be completely unacceptable in all sides.
In the case someone did get murdered or raped without any confrontation, I definitely understand the anger and the rage, and I understand that it would be horrible not to see the perpetrator pay for their crimes. In that particular situation I understand the wish for revenge, and honestly I am almost willing to condone it, although arguably it doesn't solve anything. BUT there is a HUGE difference between a clean vengeance kill and a torture-mutilation-head-on-a-pike kill. This sort of violence as mentioned before, speaks of the mob mentality, of people becoming blood-lusted and not really thinking straight.
I hope you don't think this is a trolling or dense response.