Religion in games. What games are worth playing?

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DoomGnomes

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Hey fellow people of the interwebs.

I am currently looking for games to play in order to aid my research for my dissertation.
I am looking in to the concept of religion in fictional media and how it is portrayed.
So to the real question, What games do you think have a interesting portrayal of/ use for religion within in them?

Also any games you think are worth playing related to the matter.
For example I would include; Black & White, Knights of the Old Republic, Crusader Kings 2 and Mass effect.

Even Sleeping Dogs due to the fact that you use Shrines as a way to boost health.
 

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Bioshock Infinite's the first obvious one partially for the fact it came out just last month. Skyrim's civil war has a religious motivation as backdrop not really sure it's strong enough a point to be relevant however, Oblivion has a focus on representations of demons and hell but the Daedra's beliefs and cults are not really front and center. Jade Empire has a classic mesh of Asian religion as it's core philosophy. Baldur's Gate
has a God's cult trying to kill you throughout the entire game
but other than that it's your standard D&D churches. In Civilization IV and V it's used as an imperialism mechanic to weaken your enemies, but it's not a focus either. There's of course every Star Wars game but you covered that already somewhat. Warhammer might be interesting, especially 40 thousand. The cult of the Emperor turned a super scientist psychically gifted man who believed in logic above all else and abhorred religion and fanaticism into the greatest religious martyr to ever live in the universe. Dragon Age's (particularly II but I also delves on the matter a lot.) interesting as it becomes a war about oppressive religious beliefs.


Overall it's either a game mechanic or simple undeveloped background, I can partially understand the reason to be fair.
 

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Bioshock infinite uses Christianity and baptism as a central theme as well as turning the founding fathers of America into religious icons. I found this to be very thought provoking.
 

DoomGnomes

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That is very useful. Through out what I've found so far religion is frequently used in games to aid depth and characterisation of either the world as a whole or a specific protagonist. Anything you can add is very helpful no matter how small or obscure a point it is. For example I've been finding that the bible is used at a few points in Mafia 2 to show the characters being from cultures of significant Christian background.
 

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Auron said:
Skyrim's civil war has a religious motivation as backdrop not really sure it's strong enough a point to be relevant however, Oblivion has a focus on representations of demons and hell but the Daedra's beliefs and cults are not really front and center.
But there is Morrowind - it's not perect textbook on religion but it does a decent job, at least. There are two religions operating in the land - the Tribunal temple of people who worship the three literal gods of Morrowind (you even go and talk to them) and the Imperial cult who are...the Imperial cult. Your character can even join these and progress through the quests and up the hierarchy. If new to Morrowind, I'd suggest going with the IC first - the first quest for the Tribunal, while really atmospheric (don't think that's the correct word, but should give you an idea) is also quite long and takes a very long while to complete, thus delaying the progress of the other quests in the Tribunal. And there are the Daedra worshippers but I don't think they were as prominent. You do see them and visit their shrines but I think the other two games have a better portrayal.

DoomGnomes said:
For example I would exclude; Black & White, Knights of the Old Republic, Crusader Kings 2 and Mass effect.
Have you considered KOTOR2? I'm not sure your exact angle on the topic but that game goes into the Jedi/Sith beliefs, particularly the Jedi and more to the point, how they could be failings. Also depicts the universe after a galactic religious war - the Jedi/Sith conflict from the first game. You don't need to play the first, though - short version is the two battle and there are massive fleets and stuff. It's pretty high level overview, KOTOR 2 shows how the normal humans were affected by it and even how some of the veterans fare. It's interesting to visit the planet where the Jedi council resided - it isn't a spoiler per se, but it's a very minor revelation - the people of the planet hate the Jedi for the destruction that was wrought thanks to them.

Bot other than those, I can't currently remember others that dealt a lot with the subject. Thief had those Hammerites (damn awesome religion - it involves hammers) but I can't actually recall how in depth they went with it. Just check a wiki, I guess. Heroes 6 isn't too overly religious but it does show angels of the dragon of light (think Christianity) operate in a heavenly war.

Actually, it might be interesting to look up the religion of Ashan (Heroes 5/6's world) even though it's not explained that much in the games - mostly referenced. Short version is, there are dragons, which are worshipped as gods - the dragon of light is one, but there are few others (of the darkness, of chaos, etc). They are counterparts of existing stuff, though, just coated with some paint - the light dragon is sort of Abrahamic god and it's all about truth, justice, goodness and such - you can already guess his shtick from the name alone, the dragon of chaos, however, is Satan Urgash who is locked away in the fir pit of hell Sheogh. Those are the most obvious ones - the other dragons are just elemental gods - of the sea (the naga worship it), of the air, of the earth (the barbaric orcs worship those two) and so on. Asha, the dragon of Fate, is more eastern-ish with the wheel of fate and stuff under her name. I suppose it's a good idea to see how can one paint over the religions and present them in a game. There is some small merit in playing Heroes 6 for the angels but...I'd suggest you just read the plot somewhere - it's not a bad campaign but it's disjointed and long.

That what I can think of for video games. But since you said your topic is on media, do take a look at other stuff - PnP RPGs in particular have a long and quite detailed looks at their religions. Some even take a look at the current religions present. Sometimes badly, other times well - but hey, you can at least write on both accounts. If you want a recommendation, I'd suggest Demon: the Fallen - it's a sister franchise of Vampire: the Masquerade but with actual demons - the fallen angels variety. The backstory is lifted from the Bible more or less, but it's viewed from their perspective - why they lead a rebellion against God, what happened, and what are they doing now. OK, spoiler, they were imprisoned in hell until just a few years ago (the game takes place in 2003) but in 1999 some managed to escape to find the world really different than before. Oh, and God is apparently not around, too.

Finally, I'm not sure if it's of interest exactly but the original Devil May Cry was a...rather loose adaptation of Dante's Inferno. OK, not an adaptation but heavily modelled after it - Dante, Vergil, different layers of hell. If such a thing is of interest, then Dante's Inferno may also need to be noted. Erm, there is Graham and Paul's Let's Play of it [http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/archive/gplp/date/desc/_] which would probably be more entertaining to watch. They also have Brad on board, who is the history expert and would frequently compare how well the game fares compared to the original source (spoiler: not very but still there are rather close elements).
 

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Well, there's El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron.

You play as Enoch and one of the main characters that you deal with a lot and even narrates your journey is Lucifel, also known as Lucifer. The whole game is basically around Jewish mythology and plays around with it a lot.

It's a mediocre game, but God damn if it isn't pretty and the music is pretty awesome too.
 
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DoomGnomes said:
I am currently looking for games to play in order to aid my research for my dissertation.
I am looking in to the concept of religion in fictional media and how it is portrayed.
So to the real question, What games do you think have a interesting portrayal of/ use for religion within in them?

Also any games you think are worth playing related to the matter.
We had a rather exhaustive discussion about this topic [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/528.368085.14307896] about a year ago down in R&P. You might want to check it out - there should be a lot of interesting hints for you.

EDIT: One thing I'll say, though, to spare yourself some reading-time. The story of the PSX game Xenogears is basically gnosticism.
 

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Bioshock Infinite is pretty much the new go to at the moment. I'd also look into Halo and how the Covenant are portrayed, as well as the Assassin's Creed series.

It depends though, are you interested in how real religions are portrayed in video games, or will the portrayal of religiosity in general suffice?
 

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The Warcraft games could be used as such, with the followers of the light, cult of the damned, sisters of elune, those twilight guys.

The Binding of Isaac is another one filled with it.

Assassin's Creed games are an easy one.

And I can't think of many more off the top of my head, good luck though.
 

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If you don't mind getting into a very old game - in Ultima IV (an old-school RPG) you play as the Avatar - a christ-like figure, who starts his own religion based around a set of virtues, by traveling the land and performing virtuous deeds. I think that it might be the best example of religion being utilized in a game.
 

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It depends on how you mean by religion in games. Darksiders may or may not be good for what you're after. Playing as two predominantly biblical entities, with roots based in older religions, you explore worlds and interact with characters based on Christian, Greek and Norse stories. And quite frequently, you beat seven shades of shit out of them.
 

Hagi

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Populous deserves a mention I'd say.

The first version of it pretty much created the god-genre if I'm not mistaken (could be wrong though :p).

There's a 'newer' version as well that was released in '98. Not quite sure how it compares to the original since I never played that one but I do remember greatly enjoying it when I was young.
 

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Explicit portrayal of religion? Cause things like LOTR/Warcraft/Guild Wars/Elder Scrolls/Falllout have allegorical components that arent explicitly any religion that exists in the world. But the theme of religion is present and its effect mimic real life, etc..
 

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El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron.

It's loosely based around the Apocryphal Book of Enoch, which is (mostly) considered to be a non-canon story within Judaism (it is primarily a Jewish text, though I think the only people who really study it and accept it as canon are in Christian Sub-Saharan African nations, so what do I know?). The game is a stylised version, in which you play as Enoch (the first Human who learned to write) on his Journey to capture a number of Fallen Angels. Enoch, by the way, is Noah's grandfather.

It's also a stunningly beautiful game, in which the art syle changes regularly to emphasize one aspect of the Angel you are hunting or another. It's not preachy, either; it uses the story simply as just that, a story.
 

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DoomGnomes said:
Hey fellow people of the interwebs.

I am currently looking for games to play in order to aid my research for my dissertation.
I am looking in to the concept of religion in fictional media and how it is portrayed.
So to the real question, What games do you think have a interesting portrayal of/ use for religion within in them?
Xenogears (PS1)

On several levels, but yeah, if you're doing a dissertation on religion in fictional media, you do NOT want to miss Xenogears. The entire game is based on Gnostism as literal concepts.

Or Xenosaga 1, 2, and 3. (all PS2) Particularly 3. Since Xenosaga is a sort-of prequel to Xenosaga and takes place in sora the same universe, it will help you semi understand Xenogears better. Also...

Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Sarah are playable characters in all three games. However, they aren't identified as such until near the end of Xenosaga 3.

If you can't find a copy of Xenosaga to play, you can watch the cut scenes on YouTube. And if you can't find a copy of Xenogears then you are trying hard enough I mean there's several good Let's Plays on Youtube, including one where they DUB the entire game (that is, they full voice act every single line dialog in the whole text-heavy 100 hour game). It is absolutely amazing.

... or if you're lazy and own a Wii, you could play Xenoblade. Great game, not NEARLY as much religion, but still more than your average game. And no, Xenoblade has nothing at all to do with the previous four games other than being by the same lead creator. It was originally going to have a different title, but they stuck Xeno on the front for Brand Recognition.
 

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I remember parts of the "Legacy of Kain" series (particularly the games involving Raziel, i.e. "Soul Reaver", "Soul Reaver 2" and "Legacy of Kain: Defiance") to revolve heavily around themes of worship, crusading and messianic prophecy. The main antagonist of the series is actually an Elder God.
 

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Fallout: New Vegas. The whole game in general, but especially the very new-world-missionary-centric "Honest Hearts" DLC. Like, if you do anything, I'd do Honest Hearts. Cheat your character to god-like stats and weapons if you can't stand the gameplay, but talk to everyone, and find all of the Survivalist's records. Especially his final one. Double-especially his final one. Earlier Fallout games had religious elements to them, but never particularly in-depth (Hubologists as a parody of Scientologists, the Children of the Atom, Fallout 1's Cathedral, etc.).

On a similar note, try Planescape Torment, especially the bits regarding the Dead Nations, the Dustmen, the Godsmen, the Lady, and the ending. Oh, and the expansion to Neverwinter Nights 2, "Mask of the Betrayer". The plot isn't really connected to the original at all, though it can be confusing for people not used to level 20+ 3.5e D&D. Still, conflict between people and the gods they worship is pretty much the entirety of the game. Rather conveniently, Planescape Torment and Neverwinter Nights 2 are both on sale at gog.com for the next.... four hours.

And of course, there's the old JRPG "The Catholic Church is actually evil" standby. Final Fantasy tactics used the fuck out of that one, but you also see it in Tales of Symphonia and the Breath of Fire series and the like.

Also consider games like Total War or Civilization. Medieval 2: Total War, for example, punishes the player for allowing religious diversity and rewards them for attacking religious enemies (especially if you're a Catholic faction). Civ 4's use of religion bordered on espionage territory.
 

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Final fantasy x had some fairly comprehensive ideas on religion, both those in the religious power and those who are affected by it.