Remember how Rebekah Jones became a whistleblower and hero by standing up to Florida fudging their covid numbers? Well, it wasn't true.

[Phoenixmgs]

Rebekah Jones, the COVID Whistleblower Who Wasn’t

This is a story about Rebekah Jones, a former dashboard manager at the Florida Department of Health (FDOH), who has single-handedly managed to convince millions of Americans that Governor Ron DeSantis has been fudging the state’s COVID-19 data.

news.yahoo.com

Rebekah Jones lied about everything. Where's the CNN articles about this? Even in January when she was arrested, and CNN ran the story continuing to double-down on Gov. DeSantis' mishandling of the pandemic even though Florida has done better than average.

 

[Silvanus]

The article doesn't actually contain a provable refutation of what she's said; it's largely just an opinion piece from the right-wing National Review. The writer is essentially just opining that what she did was bad and she's untrustworthy because of her actions. It's opinion. It's not refutation.

Next.

 

[Avnger]

Rebekah Jones, the COVID Whistleblower Who Wasn’t

This is a story about Rebekah Jones, a former dashboard manager at the Florida Department of Health (FDOH), who has single-handedly managed to convince millions of Americans that Governor Ron DeSantis has been fudging the state’s COVID-19 data.

news.yahoo.com

Rebekah Jones lied about everything. Where's the CNN articles about this? Even in January when she was arrested, and CNN ran the story continuing to double-down on Gov. DeSantis' mishandling of the pandemic even though Florida has done better than average.

It might be true. It could also be more nonsense you're repeating, regardless of reality, because it fits your beliefs.

Let me know when someone other than National Review (a proudly conservative editorial magazine) runs with this. As Silvanus said above, none of the sourced material actually proves Ms. Jones lied.

 

[Agema]

It's not clear to me what's different from Rebekah Jones and numerous posters on this forum, except that she got a lot more press.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

The article doesn't actually contain a provable refutation of what she's said; it's largely just an opinion piece from the right-wing National Review. The writer is essentially just opining that what she did was bad and she's untrustworthy because of her actions. It's opinion. It's not refutation.

Next.

Based on what I've seen (I didn't post this here originally because of having to find better sources and possibly primary ones which too much effort for something like this).

Basically tweets exist of her saying she was made to delete data.
Some publication in their article claimed she was made to delete date.
She threw a wobbly on social media about them misrepresenting what she'd said and she never said she'd been asked to delete data.

Honestly it does seem suspect and probably should be looked into but best you'll get is Tucker Carlson and Fox doing it because CNN and co have no reason to want to undermine the people paying them bribe money. (See the Leaked emails from Hillary in 2016).

 

[Phoenixmgs]

The article doesn't actually contain a provable refutation of what she's said; it's largely just an opinion piece from the right-wing National Review. The writer is essentially just opining that what she did was bad and she's untrustworthy because of her actions. It's opinion. It's not refutation.

Next.

LMAO, why don't you wave aside all the left-wing stories then? The CNN article that I linked to is dripping in bias and objectively wrong information. The article contains plenty of links to information like her personnel file for example. She's been caught in at least 2 lies already.

It might be true. It could also be more nonsense you're repeating, regardless of reality, because it fits your beliefs.

Let me know when someone other than National Review (a proudly conservative editorial magazine) runs with this. As Silvanus said above, none of the sourced material actually proves Ms. Jones lied.

And if was some liberal news source, you'd believe it? Also, she's been literally caught in at least 2 lies already. I don't get this dismissal of conservative sources. Yes, they report on things more that favor the right, but the liberal sources do the same thing. It's pretty funny that National Review has a higher rating for factual reporting than CNN at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Seanchaidh]

And if was some liberal news source, you'd believe it? Also, she's been literally caught in at least 2 lies already. I don't get this dismissal of conservative sources. Yes, they report on things more that favor the right, but the liberal sources do the same thing. It's pretty funny that National Review has a higher rating for factual reporting than CNN at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

CNN is also right-wing.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

CNN is also right-wing.

compared to what Chairman Mao?

 

[Seanchaidh]

compared to what Chairman Mao?

him and even centrists like Bernie Sanders and AOC.

 

[tstorm823]

It doesn't take direct refutation to show it was a lie the whole time. There are independent dashboards for the counties within the state. The CDC tracks the data from above. If the people responsible for publishing Florida's statewide data manipulated the numbers in any significant way, there'd be an obvious mismatch, and the story would have gone somewhere.

Also, gotta love the people wanting a refutation of what she said, but not being picky for evidence of what she said in the first place.

 

[Trunkage]

It doesn't take direct refutation to show it was a lie the whole time. There are independent dashboards for the counties within the state. The CDC tracks the data from above. If the people responsible for publishing Florida's statewide data manipulated the numbers in any significant way, there'd be an obvious mismatch, and the story would have gone somewhere.

Also, gotta love the people wanting a refutation of what she said, but not being picky for evidence of what she said in the first place.

I've always wondered about the death toll in WW2. 70-85 million. How the fuck can you miscount by 15 million?

Then I met Covid and all the people counting

 

[Satinavian]

I've always wondered about the death toll in WW2. 70-85 million. How the fuck can you miscount by 15 million?

That is easy.

- destruction of records (you might remember this whole cities burning thing)
- massive displacement (many many places might know how many people moved away/were deported but not where they eventually ended up )
- lots of indirect deaths ( do you count famine due to embargos ? death by expose due to getting your home blown up ? Outbreaks of desease to to broken infrastructure ? There are so many ways to die that might be caused by a war )
- deaths not properly examined ( people had other things to do )

And that is all before we get to the massaging of numbers for propaganda reasons. Really no surprise here.

 

[Chimpzy]

I've always wondered about the death toll in WW2. 70-85 million. How the fuck can you miscount by 15 million?

Probably because the exact number of people involved in a war on that scale is pretty much impossible to put an exact number on, for various reasons. Like records getting lost or destroyed, or they were never complete to start. And I suppose making sure everyone is accounted for is a bit less of a priority in times of war, so count in human error and/or negligence as well. Also, the rule on what is or isn''t a casualty of war might differ from counting to counting. Or authorities fudging their numbers for political or whatever other reasons. So all in all, there's going to be a looooot of (informed) guesswork involved.

Then I met Covid and all the people counting

I mean, there's no world war going on and overall record keeping has improved greatly, but not much else has changed. Stuff getting lost. People messing up the numbers, either accidentally, or intentionally. And how are you supposed to get a total count of covid fatalities when everybody and their mother has a different definition on what is a covid fatality?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

him and even centrists like Bernie Sanders and AOC.

They're really not centrists lol. Just cause they're not full on "The revolution will come soon comrade"

 

[Seanchaidh]

They're really not centrists lol. Just cause they're not full on "The revolution will come soon comrade"

oh yeah, sure, because everyone likes oligarchy

 

[tstorm823]

I've always wondered about the death toll in WW2. 70-85 million. How the fuck can you miscount by 15 million?

Then I met Covid and all the people counting

To be fair, what is the cause of death in any given person is not a simple question. Internationally, comparing numbers is almost worthless, as reporting standards are all over the place. Within the US, that's not the case. Early in the pandemic, there was a day where a bunch of states had spikes in their count, particularly New York, because they weren't taking as broad a definition of "covid-related death", and the whole country was being guided by the CDC into a broad, uniform standard. The counties in Florida report covid deaths by the same standards as the state and as the federal government. That doesn't make "how many people died in Florida from covid" a simple and easy question, but it does mean the numbers between those levels of government should match, which is sufficient to say "if Desantis was making people alter the numbers on the public facing dashboard, there would be publicly available contradictions between data sets." And like, one can reasonably disagree with the reporting standards that are used, I certainly have my opinions, but that doesn't mean anyone in the Florida government had any power to deviate from uniform reporting standards.

 

[Silvanus]

Based on what I've seen (I didn't post this here originally because of having to find better sources and possibly primary ones which too much effort for something like this).

Basically tweets exist of her saying she was made to delete data.
Some publication in their article claimed she was made to delete date.
She threw a wobbly on social media about them misrepresenting what she'd said and she never said she'd been asked to delete data.

Honestly it does seem suspect and probably should be looked into but best you'll get is Tucker Carlson and Fox doing it because CNN and co have no reason to want to undermine the people paying them bribe money. (See the Leaked emails from Hillary in 2016).

OK, but none of this is refutation.

If you want to say she's untrustworthy, fine, but that's not what this thread claims. It says it "turns out she lied". But... no, its just some dude's opinion.

LMAO, why don't you wave aside all the left-wing stories then? The CNN article that I linked to is dripping in bias and objectively wrong information. The article contains plenty of links to information like her personnel file for example. She's been caught in at least 2 lies already.

Ooook. I have no problem with people posting op-eds. If a left-wing opinion article was presented as proof of a factual claim, as you've done here with a right-wing one, then I would. But it wasn't.

(Disregarding got a moment the notion that CNN is "left-wing", which is risible).

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

oh yeah, sure, because everyone likes oligarchy

Because the communist method doesn't just create a government and bureaucratic systems that are just that in the end or anything and more prone to cutting corners and covering things up.

*Cough* Chernobyl *Cough*

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

OK, but none of this is refutation.

If you want to say she's untrustworthy, fine, but that's not what this thread claims. It says it "turns out she lied". But... no, its just some dude's opinion.



Ooook. I have no problem with people posting op-eds. If a left-wing opinion article was presented as proof of a factual claim, as you've done here with a right-wing one, then I would. But it wasn't.

(Disregarding got a moment the notion that CNN is "left-wing", which is risible).

Well if she said she was made to delete data and is now saying she didn't one of those two things is a lie,


^ What she said previously

What she's now saying



Edit: To be clear on the situation, she's now saying her whistleblower complaint wasn't about deleting deaths but the big media presence and her own emphasis of the complain seems to be on deleting stuff. Her initial claims were the basis of the claims of records being deleted so now she's backing out there is no evidence even just a persons say so that records were deleted to begin with or there was any kind of problem with death reporting so in the absence of any evidence we must conclude the claims false now unless new evidence surfaces to support said position.

 

[Silvanus]

Well if she said she was made to delete data and is now saying she didn't one of those two things is a lie,

[SNIPPED TWEETS]

Edit: To be clear on the situation, she's now saying her whistleblower complaint wasn't about deleting deaths but the big media presence and her own emphasis of the complain seems to be on deleting stuff. Her initial claims were the basis of the claims of records being deleted so now she's backing out there is no evidence even just a persons say so that records were deleted to begin with or there was any kind of problem with death reporting so in the absence of any evidence we must conclude the claims false now unless new evidence surfaces to support said position.

So, she's not actually contradicting her earlier position. She's not now claiming she wasn't asked to delete data; she's just saying that wasn't the basis of her whistleblower complaint. Which is true: the whistleblower complaint concerned manipulating existing data to create a misleading positive impression.

ASAIK, her allegation about deleting data occurred after she'd already been fired, so it couldn't be a whistleblower complaint.