He was referring to the Guy Fawkes mask worn by V from V for Vendetta.Zachary Amaranth said:
And what's wrong with pro-authority? Since the advent of organised government, murder rates have gone down roughly 30 to 100 times.
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And what's wrong with pro-authority? Since the advent of organised government, murder rates have gone down roughly 30 to 100 times.
I just finished watching V for Vendetta, and only because the movie exists. I forgot it's an actual "Day" somewhere, to be honest.
There is something terribly wrong with this world, though, isn't there. Starting with how this thread needed all of 6 posts to have someone pretend to be clever and contrary by basically shouting "You're an idiot and I'm much better than you".
I hate the internet a lot... why do you think I watch movies about Queen Amidala getting her head shaved, instead?
There is something terribly wrong with this world, though, isn't there. Starting with how this thread needed all of 6 posts to have someone pretend to be clever and contrary by basically shouting "You're an idiot and I'm much better than you".
I hate the internet a lot... why do you think I watch movies about Queen Amidala getting her head shaved, instead?
Wow. How have so many people utterly missed the point?
Guy Fawkes day is celebrating the fact that we killed Guy Fawkes before the fucker could blow up the government. It's not celebrating the guy himself!
Maybe it's too misleadingly named - I always just call it "firework night".
Guy Fawkes day is celebrating the fact that we killed Guy Fawkes before the fucker could blow up the government. It's not celebrating the guy himself!
Maybe it's too misleadingly named - I always just call it "firework night".
No, we aren't celebrating Guy Fawkes at all. The film written by Americans got the point of the British holiday completely wrong.Vern said:
The purpose of the holiday is to celebrate that the traitor Guy Fawkes and his accomplices were discovered and caught just before they managed to blow up the King and Parliament.
As this guy says. Jeez, people should really stop believing anything vaguely historical that they hear in a Hollywood movie. Someone should make a campaign about that or something.OhJohnNo said:
You're right, it was a rather poor choice of words. Even as I posted it, visions of Hitler and Bin Laden fluttered through my head. But, what I mean is, that he did stand up against his country in the name of his- oh wait. Never mind.Iron Mal said:
Honestly, I think anyone who thinks Guy Fawkes is a hero might want to do a little more reading on him and the sentiments regarding him.Theseus32 said:
Also, I'd read the graphic novel, the movie was based on, and you'll rapidly see why the creator distanced himself from the movie.
That said, those who view the past through a faint glow of "never was" should understand that humanity never had a utopia, and will never have one in the future. For all of it's BS, right now more people live better, and happier, than at any other time in history. This does not mean that there are not billions living in abject misery and poverty, merely that proportionaly there is less than that than even before, and even the poor in most cases live like kings compared to the conditions of previous eras. Never underestimate the influance of
It's important to note that in the Graphic Novel, it's called V for Vendetta because the guy is a psychopath, he's not pursueing Justice in any absolute sense. What's more the guys he's opposing are not all bad, and are in the case of some characters like Mr. Susan (Sutler in the movies) are very well intentioned, with a lot of the problems with the goverment being caused by V himself who has hacked into the computer the goverment is using to run society. The point of the story being that neither side is entirely right or wrong. Actually given that V is a total anarchist, who is bloody insane, and primarily concerned with his own revenge and is doing all of this for personal reasons... the people were probably better off without him.
Even in the movie, a lot of people seem to overlook that while V does a great job of rallying people to overthrow the current regime, he doesn't really present anything to replace it with, demonstrating that he would be a better leader. Sure the goverment he's replacing did some horrible thing with bio-weapons (which did not happen in the graphic novel) but at the same time V is blowing crap up whenever it suits him towards his own agenda. When he's done we've still got widespread chaos, those people who might have agreed "our goverment sucks" have no clear leadership with a plan and are probably going to wind up fighting each other. Your looking at the probable breakdown of things like education, medical care, and any kind of law enforcement. Sure law enforcement were arseholes in the story, at least on a personal level, but in the end someone needs to stop the looters, rapists, murderers, and everything else. In an absolutly prgamatic sense, is it not better for society to deal with a few cops who abuse their power and are rapists and such, as opposed to have that happening to everyone, on every street corner, with every person being at the complete mercy of anyone stronger than they are?
Just some thoughts, I say this because as much as I personally liked the movie, I'm getting a little tired of people trying to apply it to reality or act like it was in any way reasonable or appropriate. If some revolutionary like V came along, I'd be on the opposite side largely because the guy didn't have a viable plan other than "tear everything down", he'd be the greater of evils compared to say the US or UK goverment. Now on the other side if a similar revolutionary came along with a viable plan I thought could be implemented (being able to implement it, as opposed to it just being social theory is very important), replacing one social order with another, I might support him depending on what the plan actually is. Of course then again since lots of people will oppose ANY system, that's probably why the movie glossed over him representing any kind of ideal given where they were going. In the graphic novel he didn't reprsent any ideal because he didn't have one, and that was the entire bloody point.
Yeah, there's the awkward thing about it.Stephen Wo said:
There actually are some beliefs that it are worth standing behind and dedicating yourself to but what ones these are vary radically depending on your own world view (what one person views as a virtuous and noble crusade another may view as spiteful bigotry or an act of stubborn ignorance).
I wasn't actually aware that the 5th of November was celebrated outside of the UK, forgive my ignorance. King James was certainly no saint that's true enough, but in my opinion at least he was the lesser of two evils compared to what Fawkes wanted.dyre said:
This was in 1605, indeed it's quite barbaric by today's standard. I suppose we English folk just loved bonfires and fireworks so much we just sort of rolled with it regardless of the origin, kinda like how even non-Christians and/or atheists celebrate Christmas despite it's religious origins (I know it didn't START as a Christian holiday but bugger going that far back). It's just ingrained in society.Sober Thal said:
Either that or facebook was a just a little bit too big for themCaptainTrilby said:Yeah, I remember seeing a video claiming that Anonymous were going to bring down Facebook or something to that effect. Nothing's happened so far so I assume it was a bit of an empty threat or wasn't actually the main branch of Anonymous but some kind of splinter.Von Strimmer said:Weren't anonymous supposed to hack facebook today? I remember hearing something about it but I cant remember if it were a dream or not
11:42 where I am.
Nothing Happened today
the smartass who boasted must feel silly or something.
also must of the world didn't give a damn about this day till "Anonymous" brought it up.
all I'm seeing is empty words and big fat FAILS!
They are supposed to be special, yet they have been just as empty as any normal politics these days.
Bark all you want hackers, nothing has happened, and nothing will happen.
11:45
less the 15 minutes.
Nothing Happened today
the smartass who boasted must feel silly or something.
also must of the world didn't give a damn about this day till "Anonymous" brought it up.
all I'm seeing is empty words and big fat FAILS!
They are supposed to be special, yet they have been just as empty as any normal politics these days.
Bark all you want hackers, nothing has happened, and nothing will happen.
11:45
less the 15 minutes.
Symbols change, events are remembered differently and that's how society works.
For instance, the Swastika was a simple of peace and prosperity in some cultures, until Nazis used it as their party symbol, and after what they all did it changes how the entire world views the symbol.
The same thing occurs with the Guy Fawkes mask. The mask's meaning has changed, it doesn't represent the idea of Guy Fawkes anymore, it represents what the movie was trying to convey (which wasn't Guy Fawkes story, but more of a ideal revolution). This occurs with all of our symbols and ideas.
I don't see anyone getting pissed at Neo-Nazis for using the Swastika because it isn't what it truly represents.
But OT: I had a great day of movie watching and playing pool.
For instance, the Swastika was a simple of peace and prosperity in some cultures, until Nazis used it as their party symbol, and after what they all did it changes how the entire world views the symbol.
The same thing occurs with the Guy Fawkes mask. The mask's meaning has changed, it doesn't represent the idea of Guy Fawkes anymore, it represents what the movie was trying to convey (which wasn't Guy Fawkes story, but more of a ideal revolution). This occurs with all of our symbols and ideas.
I don't see anyone getting pissed at Neo-Nazis for using the Swastika because it isn't what it truly represents.
But OT: I had a great day of movie watching and playing pool.