Respect My Elders?

[jasoncyrus]

It's a church...why did you expect to hear anything even remotely resembling sense there?

Sorry but I agree with babytea, there is no need to say stuff like that.

-Joe

Well actually there is since I was making a valid point.

Take the current roman catholic pope...and his more recent statement that he though would make 'sense'.

A prime example of where he quoted passages insinuating that the prophet muhammed brought only evil. Yes angering the muslim community was extremely sensible.

And the one that generated the high volume of non religious anger (anger from athiests), was when he stated that condoms would only make the ads problem worse. Yes...such a well informed but more importantly, sensible, statement.

The 'leaders' of christianity elected him, the leaders who the lower down people respect. To be honest I'm finding it hard to think up a george bush quote that can top his condom statement.

Like i said, Church =/= knowing what sense is.

 

[Theophenes]

You're a bloke, I'm a bloke.

My Birth certificate needs updating then.

Fair enough. There are also dames. My apologies.

As for all the ranting about church=dumb, spare me. If I want'ed to talk about religion and how it affects people from good or ill, I would've dragged that out. And Jasoncyrus, the pope is one fellow, and he speaks for one denomination (a really big one, but still just one sect nonetheless) of Christianity. If people want to talk about "church" in general, then bring some statistics, not just sound bytes from certain religious officials.

And for the record, I wasn't saying that anybody's better than anybody, here. I'm sorry if I came across as a bit of a jackass. What I meant to say is that I'm gonna respect people, old young, hot, ugly, clever, insane, what have you. Just that respect and faith are two different things--and even my faith in God isn't an unquestioned one, strong as it is. So why should my faith in a generation be?

Also, I'm a little surprised at the attention this thing got. I type out one rant, and aparrently now people think I'm clever or something. Yay.

 

[goater24]

Um we actually pay for our own social security, the people who are getting social security now payed for it when they worked during their life, of course we should up the age for social security but that's another issue altogether.

No wonder Madoff got so many people fooled... Social security is one hell of a ponzi scheme in most countries. Nearly all of it gets spent immediately and only little if none is invested. If the generations before you are baby boomers and generations after you are really small, you pay hell of a lot and get nothing in return.

Indeed, and good to find someone who actually knows what a ponzi scheme is. You are correct buddy. The previous generation have worked so very hard into shafting us into a pensionless state that will have to work untill we are 70.

Also a huge shout out to the lat generation of fuckers who thought buying a house was a investment opportunity. What have we become? The rabbit lives in its warren, the spider lives in its web. But its those humans who have sort shelter in a investment opportunity. All this and we need to pay these fuck wits respect lol! Our generations screwed and I will offer my respect to the folk who try and sort this shit out, regardless of how old they are!

 

[Dele]

Indeed, and good to find someone who actually knows what a ponzi scheme is. You are correct buddy. The previous generation have worked so very hard into shafting us into a pensionless state that will have to work untill we are 70.

Also a huge shout out to the lat generation of fuckers who thought buying a house was a investment opportunity. What have we become? The rabbit lives in its warren, the spider lives in its web. But its those humans who have sort shelter in a investment opportunity. All this and we need to pay these fuck wits respect lol! Our generations screwed and I will offer my respect to the folk who try and sort this shit out, regardless of how old they are!

Oh there is nothing wrong in thinking house as an investment opportunity as it really is one, just like education for example. The problems come when people play with sums that are way out of their league and have no backup savings because they except to always find work or government to provide a safety net.

Medical healthcare is becoming more and more expensive while life expectancy increases. This will obviously provide a huge pressure on government to radically increase taxation which in the long run will inevitably break the back of the public healthcare and pensions.

In a modern 'welfare' state people tend to work for something like 30 years in their life, yet with current lifespan receive 20 years worth of pensions in returns. What after the medical tehcnology expands that to 30 years of pensions? 40 years? 50 years? People wont give up the standard of living they have developed, especially after it starts to rise in an never-seen-before rate thanks to China and India coming out of poverty which will cause the rate of technological advancement literarly exploding.

No! Instead they as the greedy majority, will vote for more taxation to get more pension and social money and put a strain on younger generations. This is already a major problem as socialistic spending and political populism has already put nearly all of the western nations in huge debts. In Europe this is particularly problematic as population will start shrinking very soon and elderly will constitute a huge amount of the total population. I cant even dare to imagine what happens when the world population peaks and there will be NO IMMIGRANTS to keep the population levels from collapsing.

 

[Hyper-space]

but don't you know?

age gives you a intelligence bonus to your stats.

 

[ModReap]

I am proud of the sheer genius displayed in this thread.

Those whom ask for respect need to earn it.

 

[A random person]

but don't you know?

age gives you a intelligence bonus to your stats.

It ups your strength and maybe other stats up to a point, but the intelligence bonus is more from using books and other knowledge expanding training and items, and your age decreases the stat later on.

 

[Bat Vader]

You speak as if all old people think the same. As if they don't have different thoughts or opinions on a subject or matter. My dad is 57 and he never worried about Swine Flu, he hated/hates the Vietnam war and Iraqi war.

He hated Bush and supports Obama. My dad is a Liberal and a democrat.

 

[Spektre41]

When the Pantheon of Alien Overlords come and decide whether or not humanity is worthy enough for flying cars and the cure for all know diseases, let's all point at this guy and say "there's your proof".

 

[BlackJack47]

I generally respect everyone, even my enemies...sorry to sound like a "key-board warrior" and sound tough but its just what I'm like...

 

[Bat Vader]

I say we should definitely cut them some slack and I believe most of them deserve more or less respect, but I hate it when demented old hags treat me like I owe them something besides common kindness.

Exactly, there is a difference between being kind and respecting someone.

 

[Unstoppable Wall]

My respect is not earned by being old, anyone can do that, even the developmentally challenged, but by actually earning it

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

This is something I down-right detest about the modern generation.

The general publics opinion about the soldiers, and elders.

The soldiers put their own life on the line for you, it is not the fault they were deployed to questionable locales. This is not their fault, but the people you, the general public, put into power.

That is not to say all soldiers should be respected, but atleast give credit where it is due. You have no right what so ever to bad mouth a soldier, until he has done something wrong.

The same could be said about your elders, they have lived longer then you, and in that time have gained knowledge and wisdom on the inner-workings of life. They have infinitely more real world experience on the subject.

 

[GodsOneMistake]

Nice rant, much more thought out than mine usually are

 

[Theophenes]

This is something I down-right detest about the modern generation.

The general publics opinion about the soldiers, and elders.

The soldiers put their own life on the line for you, it is not the fault they were deployed to questionable locales. This is not their fault, but the people you, the general public, put into power.

That is not to say all soldiers should be respected, but atleast give credit where it is due. You have no right what so ever to bad mouth a soldier, until he has done something wrong.

The same could be said about your elders, they have lived longer then you, and in that time have gained knowledge and wisdom on the inner-workings of life. They have infinitely more real world experience on the subject.

I used to think all soldiers were heroes. To be hoenst, I still respect them (unless they're one of those psychopathic jerks who make the rest of them look bad). But I don't entirely trust the government. Quite a few of my friends are ex-military, including my father. Out of the twenty plus people I know to come out of he military, my dad is one of the few that isn't either psychologically or physically damaged and hung out to dry. Although he was hung out to dry. Why? Because the local brass didn't like him marrying my mother. So screw them.


Also, you gripe about "this modern generation," so we're even on yellign at our elders. And second, I think it's good we aren't lying about how we feel here. That's the healthy way to handle.

And as to the point age=experience, that's a good point, if it weren't for the fact that so many older people have the most adorable selective memories. Some of this s unintentional, but sometimes they just seem to forget they ever made mistakes.

You speak as if all old people think the same. As if they don't have different thoughts or opinions on a subject or matter. My dad is 57 and he never worried about Swine Flu, he hated/hates the Vietnam war and Iraqi war.

He hated Bush and supports Obama. My dad is a Liberal and a democrat.

I'm not fond of either party. It's just that recently we've had one party, and it was full of old twits. The liberals have their share of old twits filled with Hubris as well. So does my party (Libertarian, in case your'e wondering). Long and short, no party's perfect. But aren't you sick of these withered husks of men in cheap suits reading party liens on the news? On both bloody sides?

Sorry to diverge off-topic there. As for my choice of political examples, it was just the most recent things, and the left hasn't helped lessen the problems for any of those much. They could have talked about economics and prevention even while Bush was in office. Did they? not really.

My point still stands: I don't mind young people who aren't arrogant, entitlement-filled, half-brained brats. I don't like old people when they're egotistical, judgmental- know-it-all twits. I don't like nay minority who decides to blame non-minorities for every bad thing that's eve happened to them. I don't like non-minorities who blame minorities for every bad thing. To me, this whole "Age=something special" argument just continues to slow us down. I'm not saying we should completely ignore you, but old people can't just run with "trust me, I know." No body can. Either bring some facts and logic to the table, or shut up.

 

[Altorin]

how about we try and respect everyone?

 

[Bat Vader]

This is something I down-right detest about the modern generation.

The general publics opinion about the soldiers, and elders.

The soldiers put their own life on the line for you, it is not the fault they were deployed to questionable locales. This is not their fault, but the people you, the general public, put into power.

That is not to say all soldiers should be respected, but atleast give credit where it is due. You have no right what so ever to bad mouth a soldier, until he has done something wrong.

The same could be said about your elders, they have lived longer then you, and in that time have gained knowledge and wisdom on the inner-workings of life. They have infinitely more real world experience on the subject.

I used to think all soldiers were heroes. To be hoenst, I still respect them (unless they're one of those psychopathic jerks who make the rest of them look bad). But I don't entirely trust the government. Quite a few of my friends are ex-military, including my father. Out of the twenty plus people I know to come out of he military, my dad is one of the few that isn't either psychologically or physically damaged and hung out to dry. Although he was hung out to dry. Why? Because the local brass didn't like him marrying my mother. So screw them.


Also, you gripe about "this modern generation," so we're even on yellign at our elders. And second, I think it's good we aren't lying about how we feel here. That's the healthy way to handle.

And as to the point age=experience, that's a good point, if it weren't for the fact that so many older people have the most adorable selective memories. Some of this s unintentional, but sometimes they just seem to forget they ever made mistakes.

You speak as if all old people think the same. As if they don't have different thoughts or opinions on a subject or matter. My dad is 57 and he never worried about Swine Flu, he hated/hates the Vietnam war and Iraqi war.

He hated Bush and supports Obama. My dad is a Liberal and a democrat.

I'm not fond of either party. It's just that recently we've had one party, and it was full of old twits. The liberals have their share of old twits filled with Hubris as well. So does my party (Libertarian, in case your'e wondering). Long and short, no party's perfect. But aren't you sick of these withered husks of men in cheap suits reading party liens on the news? On both bloody sides?

Sorry to diverge off-topic there. As for my choice of political examples, it was just the most recent things, and the left hasn't helped lessen the problems for any of those much. They could have talked about economics and prevention even while Bush was in office. Did they? not really.

My point still stands: I don't mind young people who aren't arrogant, entitlement-filled, half-brained brats. I don't like old people when they're egotistical, judgmental- know-it-all twits. I don't like nay minority who decides to blame non-minorities for every bad thing that's eve happened to them. I don't like non-minorities who blame minorities for every bad thing. To me, this whole "Age=something special" argument just continues to slow us down. I'm not saying we should completely ignore you, but old people can't just run with "trust me, I know." No body can. Either bring some facts and logic to the table, or shut up.

I personally believe that it should be the citizens of the United States to decide what is best. I lean more towards Socialism, where all of the countries matters are left up to the people. Not the politicians.

 

[Royal Heart]

It's a nice sentiment but is a bit outdated. It used to be that we trusted our elders because they had more experience and time to learn. In our present information age, however, we have available to us a great deal of knowledge and wisdom from a variety of sources. In fact it's actually not a very good idea to trust an elder by virtue of them being elderly. If an elder happens to be well-educated with experience and the wisdom that comes with experience, then by all means respect and defer to them.

On the topic of respect, working in the service industry I have taken to the idea that no one deserves respect unless it is earned - but I do show everyone I meet the same level of courtesy from the outset. I believe I can find something in common with anyone - we're all human beings seeking happiness, after all. It would be foolish of me to hand out respect like pamphlets for "Free Tibet" - it would mean I'm not a very good judge of character and perhaps I do not respect myself.

 

[Lost In The Void]

Respect can go on many different levels. An example would be my Grandfather. He hasn't the faintest idea of what he's talking about, especially when it comes to politics, and despite this assumes he is in the right and cannot be wrong. Now I still love and respect the man for what he's done. He built himself a decent amount of money, has no debt, and lives a very healthy lifestyle. I strongly disagree with most things he says, but that doesn't stop me from respecting him and his point of view.

A second example is this little old lady in a gas station I was at. I had just stopped there and had the jockey pumping my gas (this is a very small town and the jockey is also the cashier) I step into the store and there is no one there but me so I stand a little back from the till so the jockey doesn't assume I'm stealing; I have my wallet out and am ready to pay. While this is all happening another person pulls up, this one being a little old lady. She gets the jockey to fill up her car, she walks into the store and promptly steps in front of me despite the fact I'm obviously there, and gets ready to pay. The jockey walks in, gives a puzzled look and begins to ring me in. The old lady asks, "What are you doing?" he says that I was there first. She gives me this dirty look and I have to walk around her barely squeezing by to the till so I can pay. This is the kind of person I can't respect because she acts like a real b*tch.

I don't know if I really made it that clear I tried to, but my point is that there are more than one way to "respect" someone; there is respecting one's opinions, or respecting someone's actions and disrespecting either as well.