Because it's a problem in the gaming community. And as the gaming community it's our responsibility to do something about it. We shouldn't rely on others to police it.
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OT: Someone should totally do that. Or something equally embarrassing. You know what we need? A morality gun. Something which, when you shoot someone with it, causes them to comprehend the total amount of misery their actions have caused. You'd never need prisons again!
Phil Fish threw in the towel and cancelled Fez 2 due to similar comments, the angry gamer hordes egged on by Marcus Beer (the Annoyed Gamer). What makes people so hateful over such little things? The abuse is not restricted to the internet either and it is not solely the domain of fans, with commentators, journalists and industry insiders all flinging shit.
Why do we accept a culture of hate in our communities? Even on the Escapist we see daily threads such as "Games you hate but others love", can we as a collective not tone down the rhetoric just a little? It's also no doubt why certain feminists believe a culture of misogyny exists here where it's rather just unbridled hatred for the merest of slights, true or otherwise.
I think discussing this problem is the first step on the road to recovery, the second is actively asking aforementioned hatees to rethink how they communicate their displeasure. It's OK to disagree, it's even all right to get a little upset over a change in your favourite game, but please don't go on to contribute to this hate. It's literally driving talented people out of the industry, affecting people's health - even Bobby Kotick has said that it has caused problems in his personal life. The man is on god knows how many millions and that is probably the only reason he puts up with it, yet even then that doesn't mean the abuse he gets is acceptable.
Considering that kid who got arrested for posting that "joke" on facebook one wonders if some of those people could be arrested. These are flat out threats on a whole group of people.
Also the way the new consoles are going to tie in social media, would that let them match a user with their twitter account? Isn't the xbone going to have a policy to permma ban users who say things like this? If these gamers are so upset about a change to one gun I wonder how they'd feel about not only being banned but having their whole gamer score erased? I doubt it would stop them but it would certainly be enjoyable to watch for those of us who get stuck playing with people like this.
I don't see this as a problem as long as we encourage attitudes of not generalising between fanbases, not taking things like this on the internet seriously, and using the mute/report systems in place. Look at us, debating in a forum full of people who are not idiots, about idiots whom we have little to do with or sympathy for. As far as I'm concerned, the solution is a combination of growing spines, blocking these people in-game, and distancing yourself from their behaviour.
I don't see this as a problem as long as we encourage attitudes of not generalising between fanbases, not taking things like this on the internet seriously, and using the mute/report systems in place. Look at us, debating in a forum full of people who are not idiots, about idiots whom we have little to do with or sympathy for. As far as I'm concerned, the solution is a combination of growing spines, blocking these people in-game, and distancing yourself from their behaviour.
Just out of interest, have you read the comments in the Phil Fish article on this very website? Even the article itself is purely aimed to inflame, no context is provided and basically does the thing BlowFish collectively said - sound bites and mini quotes usually taken from Twitter or interviews without context are used as fuel for clicks and hatred.
We should speak out against this too as well as the venom it's intended audience will no doubt voice.
I have a strange hankering for Kropp... but it's not sold in my country. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME!
If you click into some of those twits twitters, you will find that they are a highly specialised breed of asshole. There is nothing you can do about them. There only purpose in life is to shit on everything and make life as unappealing as possible.
On the plus side, they won't do anything... they are just blowing hot air and puffing themselves up because they are impotent elsewhere in their lives.
That said having threats to your family isn't something you should take lightly. There could be one seriously unhinged individual in that mess.
There is a word for people who make those tweets. Losers. There are other words, like racist, psychopath, criminal, poor impulse control weirdy folk, and most important of all people I don't want to associate with.
If I found out one of my friends had written one these, well I don't know if I would stop talking to them but I know I would want to.
Well holy Kropp, I actually didn't expect this thread to go anywhere but it did...how nice. Anyway, where to begin?! I'll probably reply to some of you but the best idea would be telling the rest that even though I didn't reply, I still love you all(I dont(well I do, so SHUT UP!)...ok).
tippy2k2 said:
*Tippy2k2 puts on old man suspenders and prepares to chase a child off of his lawn. Old man Tippy2k2 is getting on his soap box;
Watch out, old man Tippy2k2! You could fall of that soap box and break your spine!
Holy Kropp! Tippy is the first to reply to my first thread? I feel special! You are right though, this is something that would take a long time to change, but I guess the best step would always be to tell our own children that acting this way on the internet is not only stupid, it's also hurtful to others. The first step always starts with you, if you have the will to make it so.
Clowndoe said:
That's quite a debut, Morsomk.
First thing would be to sit them down one at a time and ask how those changes affect them. Then when he gives some dumb answer like "It makes this weapon bad" I'll ask why that matters. If he gives another dumb answer then I'll have the men in white reveal themselves and we'll begin with the turn-of-the-century mental health programs. From what I've seen, electroshock is the least of their worries.
Maybe you are right, the world clearly wasn't ready for ME! But seriously little bow wow, don't let this bring ya down, the fact that we can watch hilarious videos on sites such as youtube is clearly higher on the scale then some little twats shouting mean things on the web.
Mr.K. said:
Well as long as you give people a soap box to troll on they will do so, not only that but it's a self perpetuating system where newcomers will do the same because that is what the community taught them, so it is a simple matter of taking undesirables out of the community until they learn the proper code of conduct.
And no I don't mean banning because people just come back with new accounts and troll harder, you need to gradually inconvenience them to a greater extent until they can't be bothered anymore (first offense - silenced for an hour, second - a day, then two days, then 3, 4, ...).
Obviously the most important part is to moderate these things on the spot not leave them for several months until everyone forgets what it's about.
This would be a interesting system to test out and I would be very much interested in seeing the results of this on a community that is almost vile as some of the Cod community members are.
But that would mean we would have to change the Banhammer, WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD LIKE THAT? Instead of forums being afraid of the incoming judgement that is the Banhammer, they would instead grovel in the annoyance of the "2 Day Silence Hammer"!
"Sir, someone is acting like a prick on the internet!"
"We've got no choice then, we have to use it!"
"Sir no! Not the "2 Day Silence Hammer!""
"It is the only way!"
Signa said:
I'd handle this by getting a committee to rate each of their tweets for their over-the-top comedic value.
As soon as you said that, I immediately imagined a group of highly trained S.W.A.T team going into someone house and just start shouting "SHOOT THE DICK!". Just give the cod players the exact same treatment that they have in their beloved Modern Military shooters. I would probably die from laughter if that would actually happen.
The image of a highly trained S.W.A.T team going in just so they could shoot the dick of some random annoying kid on the internet, both brilliant and terrifying.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!...I kid, I kid. Truth to be told, this is not a forum thread(wait what?). It is actually a international commercial for the [insert companies name here] who make the candy Kropp! This was my plan all along!
To get someone to think about Kropp and secretly making them want it! I would get millions in payment for this! Thanks to you, I'm rich now!
*Evil Zigzagoon laugh*
2. Even though these idiots need to learn some serious manners, it would be expected of that part of the COD fan base to say these kind of things. However, I doubt most players even noticed these changes, or didn't care, so I would say we can just giggle at these few losers for a bit and move on.
No, it's not our responsibility to be someone else's mom. It's our responsibility as individuals to behave civilly. If someone wants to act like a petulant child, fine. I'm not gonna call the Twitter police on them just because they make stupid comments. There's nothing you can do about this and if you try to fix it, you'll just succeed in making yourself miserable.
Phil Fish threw in the towel and cancelled Fez 2 due to similar comments, the angry gamer hordes egged on by Marcus Beer (the Annoyed Gamer). What makes people so hateful over such little things? The abuse is not restricted to the internet either and it is not solely the domain of fans, with commentators, journalists and industry insiders all flinging shit.
Why do we accept a culture of hate in our communities? Even on the Escapist we see daily threads such as "Games you hate but others love", can we as a collective not tone down the rhetoric just a little? It's also no doubt why certain feminists believe a culture of misogyny exists here where it's rather just unbridled hatred for the merest of slights, true or otherwise.
I think discussing this problem is the first step on the road to recovery, the second is actively asking aforementioned hatees to rethink how they communicate their displeasure. It's OK to disagree, it's even all right to get a little upset over a change in your favourite game, but please don't go on to contribute to this hate. It's literally driving talented people out of the industry, affecting people's health - even Bobby Kotick has said that it has caused problems in his personal life. The man is on god knows how many millions and that is probably the only reason he puts up with it, yet even then that doesn't mean the abuse he gets is acceptable.
A-fucking-men. This is exactly what I've been saying for several years now.
And, more recently, as I've become more aware of Marcus Beers exploits, I've started to see him for what he really is.
A detestable, pathetic, ill-tempered, ill-mannered, confrontational, ignorant, malicious, cruel, arrogant dirt bag with little to no redeeming qualities whatsoever. The gaming media, industry, and community as a whole would be far better off without people like him around.
And while I too think the gaming community at large is inundated by far too much hate, perhaps we shouldn't work to rid ourselves of all of that hate. Perhaps, instead, we should rid ourselves of most of it, and redirect what's left towards people like Mr. Beer and gamers like those posting the tweets shown in the OP.
As in: direct our iree towards those actually deserving of it.
GoaThief said:
MeChaNiZ3D said:
Just out of interest, have you read the comments in the Phil Fish article on this very website? Even the article itself is purely aimed to inflame, no context is provided and basically does the thing BlowFish collectively said - sound bites and mini quotes usually taken from Twitter or interviews without context are used as fuel for clicks and hatred.
We should speak out against this too as well as the venom it's intended audience will no doubt voice.
The article itself was exceptionally disappointing in it's clear bias towards the topic manner, as well as it's clear intention on simply stirring up vitriol. It stripped down Beers insult to the vaguest, barest minimum of a slight, but presented Fishs response in all it's glory. Oh, and without context on either side, of course.
[sub](The article also failed to mention, or notice, that the latter part of Fishs response was a joke-reference to a quote by Bender from Futurama)[/sub]
However, far more disappointing was the wealth of bile-filled, hateful responses from members of this community. Many of whom didn't even bother to look into the specifics of the exchange between Mr. Fish and Mr. Beer. They simply took the article at face value and, coupled with their already-present distaste for Phil Fish, jumped to the conclusion that Fishs response was childish, unwarranted, and "whiny".
I used to mock people who would claimed they did not want to be called a "gamer" anymore. They would lament about the quality of games diminishing and the industry as a whole no longer catering to their desires.
However, I find myself now parroting them. Not for the same reasons, mind you. But, I certainly don't want to be associated with "gamers" if, as recent events have shown, this is how we're going to act.
Because it's a problem in the gaming community. And as the gaming community it's our responsibility to do something about it. We shouldn't rely on others to police it.
No it isn't. Gaming is a hobby not an organisation, you are not related to me in any shape or form and I have absolutely no responsibility for you or your actions. Just because we both play video games doesn't mean that we share responsibility for one another.
People are responsible for their own actions.
If those actions break the law it is the police's job to deal with it.
If those actions break the rules of where they are expressed it is the responsibility of the owners of that place to deal with it.
Genocidicles said:
Well I guess there's the proof that men who rile up the gaming community get just as much shit as the women.
Because this kind of thing has absolutely nothing to do with gaming or gamers whatsoever. It is to do with anonymity entirely. In the UK it was recently mentioned that there should be more women on our currency. The response? Rape threats to the woman who suggested it on twitter.
Some people are very nasty individuals, most of those kind of people are also cowards. The internet and anonymity gives these people an outlet to express their attitude, and as far as they are concerned, without repercussions. The fact that some of these people also own an Xbox/PS3/PC is completely and utterly irrelevant. It is as relative to behaviour on the internet as the idea that people play games and go on shooting sprees.
Rather than looking at the problem with "gamers" we should be looking at the problem with anonymity online, or to go even further and try and sort out why people gain pleasure out of hurting others. Because there are people like this in all "communities" online.
No matter what, there will always be a vocal minority that trashes reputations of people they're loosely connected to. It is the same idea that WBC idiots don't represent every Christian, Islamic extremists don't represent every Muslim, etc. But in media, it doesn't matter.
The reason I say it is our responsibility is that we are the ones that allow it to go on. If you personally have a problem with it then do something about it. Don't play with individuals that do these things and so on. The companies most likely will not care because unless the community steps in and says that this is not acceptable then they have no reason to stop it.
I don't see this as a problem as long as we encourage attitudes of not generalising between fanbases, not taking things like this on the internet seriously, and using the mute/report systems in place. Look at us, debating in a forum full of people who are not idiots, about idiots whom we have little to do with or sympathy for. As far as I'm concerned, the solution is a combination of growing spines, blocking these people in-game, and distancing yourself from their behaviour.
Just out of interest, have you read the comments in the Phil Fish article on this very website? Even the article itself is purely aimed to inflame, no context is provided and basically does the thing BlowFish collectively said - sound bites and mini quotes usually taken from Twitter or interviews without context are used as fuel for clicks and hatred.
We should speak out against this too as well as the venom it's intended audience will no doubt voice.
Yes, and I said much the same thing there. I suppose polar opinons getting clicks is universal to all media. If there's one thing I've learnt about posting here, you do some research before reacting. But while I similarly don't condone posting without attempting to understand the whole situation, the result is the same - the person in question makes themselves look stupid, and learns from that.
Actually, I think I give media on the internet a free pass somewhat because they have to contend with "Top 5 boobs" and "10 things you never noticed about this moviez" and shit like that. But as always, it's the job of the commenters to inform themselves and provide a larger picture.
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