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Niflhel

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About 10 years ago, I started reading the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. What an amazing series! I loved every bit of it, and afterwards held the series in high regard.
Having lost my old books, I've recently felt like reading the series again and went out and brought all the books at once. I read the first book, and it was as fantastic as I remembered. Then i started on the second book...
5 years ago I was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. A major character is introduced in the second book, and that character happens to be "schizophrenic". I put it in quotation marks, because this is how the book describes it:

"The perfect schizophrenic - if there was such a person - would be a man or a woman not only unaware of his other persona(e), but one unaware that anything at all was amiss in his or her life."

Reading this felt like a massive blow to the stomach, and I almost wanted to put the book down right there and then. Hopefully, you know that this isn't a description of schizophrenia at all, but rather Multiple Personality Disorder. Obviously, I don't expect everyone to know the ins and outs of every mental illness, but... About 1% of the population is schizophrenic. It's a devestating mental illness, which have a huge impact of those of us who suffer from it. Multiple Personality Disorder, on the other hand, is a mental illness that while quite frequent in fiction, have a substanstial lack of evidence for whether it exists at all - If it does, it is extremely rare.
If it was just a random person confusing these two illnesses, it would be one thing. But really, if you're writing a book where a character is suffering from an illness, I would expect you to just do the most basic research about said illness. It seems like Stephen forgot to do so.
Schizophrenia is often confused with MPD for a reason most people are even unaware of - Schizophrenia is greek and means "Split Mind". Split mind does NOT mean multiple personalities, rather it refers to how a schizophrenics mind can be "split" from reality, eg. experiencing things that are not there.
Even on these very forums, I see the word schizophrenic misused so often. If a person or a company does one thing, while really wanting to do something else, it's suddenly a "schizophrenic" situation. No. Schizophrenia is many things (infact, it's a spectrum). It's symptoms are split it to two different groups.
The first is positive symptoms, but because they have a positive influence on the ill person, but because they "add" something that is not present in a healthy individual - Things such as halucinations, delusions and paranoia. These symptoms are not always present, and if a schizophrenic is suffering hard from these symptoms, he is said to be psychotic, a state that is not permanent but in very few cases, but rather temporary. Positive symptoms reacts well to medicine.
The second group of symptoms are called negative, because the schizophrenic lacks or have less of something otherwise present in healthy individuals. For instance, lack of motivation, poverty of speech, decreased interest in being social, flat emotions, inability to experience joy and so on. These symptoms cannot really be treated with medicine, and therefor have a substanstial bigger impact on most schizophrenics quality of life than positive symptoms.

Hopefully, you now won't do the same mistake as Stephen King did! Sorry for the rant.
For discussion value, have you every revisited old content and suddenly noticed all the flaws you was ignorant off before?
 

Thaluikhain

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Yeah, all the time.

One of the most obvious ones, to me, is gun safety. I never tended to notice it when I was young, but watching movies and TV shows now, people keep their fingers on the trigger and sweep the muzzle across things all the time. This is annoying to me because it'd take almost no effort to get it right.
 

Queen Michael

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I'm a nerd. So pretty much every work featuring nerdy stuff ever. The more nerdy stuff I get into, the more I notice. It's mostly the details about the things we love they get wrong, but it's also stuff like this:
Excerpt from the Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen novel Sealed with a Kiss said:
"I hope you like Twister," Mary-Kate said.

"What's that?" Derek asked.

"It?s a game!" Mary-Kate said.

"Does it run on double-A batteries?" Tyrone asked.

"How impressive is its resolution?" Derek asked.

"Does it include a thirty-two-bit RISC-CPU with embedded memory?" Garth asked.
 

Niflhel

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Queen Michael said:
I'm a nerd. So pretty much every work featuring nerdy stuff ever. The more nerdy stuff I get into, the more I notice. It's mostly the details about the things we love they get wrong, but it's also stuff like this:
Excerpt from the Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen novel Sealed with a Kiss said:
"I hope you like Twister," Mary-Kate said.

"What's that?" Derek asked.

"It?s a game!" Mary-Kate said.

"Does it run on double-A batteries?" Tyrone asked.

"How impressive is its resolution?" Derek asked.

"Does it include a thirty-two-bit RISC-CPU with embedded memory?" Garth asked.
Wait... You've read a Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen novel TWICE? Is it actually good, disregarding the technobabble? :p
 

Queen Michael

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Niflhel said:
Queen Michael said:
I'm a nerd. So pretty much every work featuring nerdy stuff ever. The more nerdy stuff I get into, the more I notice. It's mostly the details about the things we love they get wrong, but it's also stuff like this:
Excerpt from the Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen novel Sealed with a Kiss said:
"I hope you like Twister," Mary-Kate said.

"What's that?" Derek asked.

"It?s a game!" Mary-Kate said.

"Does it run on double-A batteries?" Tyrone asked.

"How impressive is its resolution?" Derek asked.

"Does it include a thirty-two-bit RISC-CPU with embedded memory?" Garth asked.
Wait... You've read a Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen novel TWICE? Is it actually good, disregarding the technobabble? :p
Do you know how ridiculously quick those books can be read? But nah, I found that excerpt when novelist Max Barry reviewed the book for a laugh.
 

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To be fair to Mr. King, even basic research at the time he was writing would often lead to a misdiagnosis of MPD (or as it is now called, Dissociative Identity Disorder) as schizophrenia. This was primarily due to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders II (DSM-II) published by the American Psychiatric Association in 1968, the new version of which was not published until 1980 which had a better diagnosis for both conditions. While the second book of the Dark Tower series was published in 1987, I do not know how long King was working on it, nor what he used for research. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that the DSM-II or other publications based upon it were used in his research, leading him to the wrong definition.

We know a lot more about these mental illnesses now than was known almost 30 years ago, and will probably know even more in the next 30 years. While obviously a very personal subject for you, I'd try to look past the schizophrenic label in the novel as unintentional ignorance on the author's part and do your best to enjoy the story that was written.
 

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Recently watched the first live-action Ninja Turtles movie. Last time I saw it I was a kid. Man, looks like they made that movie for about $30,000 plus the cost of the suits. Spielberg it ain't.

Books are often more interesting the second time around. I come back to them years later to discover new things.

It was fun to flip through my old AD&D Player's Handbook after 3.5 and Pathfinder. I remember when that clunky, disorganized mess was the coolest thing I'd ever seen.
 

The Wykydtron

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This is exactly why I will try not to ever watch Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure ever again. I know i'll recognise it as the cheesy crap that it is but I watched it on constant repeat as a kid, it was the coolest thing to me at the time. It was almost inspirational in a way.

Also I suppose the original Neon Genesis Evangelion was like this as well. I was so fuckin' shocked at the awful ending that I researched the circumstances and reasons why it was so terrible then watched it again. Basically they not only ran out of money three episodes towards the end but the lead writer was going through some shit at the time so it bled over to his writing.

You know it was bad when they redo the plot in two or three movies.

Every good mystery story is worth a second look too. A Visual Novel called Devil on the G-String is so damn good with it. You can see how well set up its plot twists are and how perfect the Kyousuke/Haru/Maou dynamic is.

Finally Katawa Shoujo. Since I have a minor disability myself I have a more intimate perspective on it. It helps me truly appreciate the writing, particularly in Hisao and i've been through the entire game several times. I will never forget an early line from him that I know is a line coming from the salty, cynical and convinced that his life is over Hisao and he gets over it later but I still sort of agree with it, I don't like agreeing with it but I can't stop thinking that he has a point.

"Not being held back by your disability? That's what a disability is"

It's about maximising your potential within your limitations sure but the fact is that the limitations ARE there and you'll probably never get out of them y'know? It bothers me.
 

Johnny Novgorod

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The Wykydtron said:
"Not being held back by your disability? That's what a disability is"

It's about maximising your potential within your limitations sure but the fact is that the limitations ARE there and you'll probably never get out of them y'know? It bothers me.
That sounds suspiciously like playing victim. Of course disabilities are very real, but blindness didn't stop Ray Charles from playing the piano, nor did deafness stop Beethoven from composing, nor did total paralysis stop Stephen Hawking from becoming 21st century Einstein. The point is to exceed your limitations, to not be bound by them. Do you imagine deaf & blind Hellen Keller playing Katawa Shoujo and mumbling "I guess I don't have to become a political activist then".