Rey is Phasma's daughter.

[DefunctTheory]

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I'm not being funny you guys, but just because [Jyn Erso]'s white and got brown hair, it doesn't mean she's my mom.

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I think the amazing thing about VII is that Finn and Rey don't come from anywhere, and they find a place. So to me, it's funny that people think it's so important because I don't really think it is

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/11/daisy-ridley-knows-whose-reys-parents-are-doesnt-think-its-impor/

Ridley (Damn, that's awesome to have as a last name) appears to have known about her character's parentage since the beginning of filming Episode 7, and she claims that it's not important to the plot, or that she's related to anyone in the current canon.

Of course, this could all be a smoke screen, but I think this is the biggest piece of evidence anyone's going to get until Episode 9 comes out in theaters.

Yeah I know what she said. I don't believe her. The resemblance between them is strong, Erso is the right age, has a similar accent, and probably more important than anything...why now? Why this story, at this time? Between episodes 7 and 8? It's kind of a random story, isn't it? Stealing the Death Star plans? Han Solo is a wildly popular character, so "Young Han Solo" makes some sense as a stand alone, but this?

It's fishy, I tells ya.

It's probably fair to suspect it's a smoke screen, but I think it may be a bit much to link hair color to parentage. That's just me though.

As for Rogue One, I'm pretty sure it's just part of Disney's new 'Official Canon' push, not some sort of back door for Moms. The books and the TV shows are largely about the 'unseen,' non-Skywalker heroes, why not give them a movie or two?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

It's probably fair to suspect it's a smoke screen, but I think it may be a bit much to link hair color to parentage. That's just me though.

As for Rogue One, I'm pretty sure it's just part of Disney's new 'Official Canon' push, not some sort of back door for Moms. The books and the TV shows are largely about the 'unseen,' non-Skywalker heroes, why not give them a movie or two?

Possibly. I just have a hard time believing Disney won't try and create a connected universe, the way they have with MCU. Rogue One is still very much its own story, taking place outside the Skywalker legacy. Assuming we believe Rey is Luke's daughter, which all outwardly evident signs point to (to the extent that they would become annoying red herrings if she's not), Luke had to have banged SOMEONE. Why not an attractive co-worker?

Good to hear. Just checked it, JJ was both a writer and producer for 7, which explains why a bunch of the movie has the Abrams touch that makes everything worse than it needs to be. Guy is a good director, but as far as production calls and especially writing goes, he's awful.

('Cus I'm pretty sure Lawrence Kasdan wouldn't write something as stupid as Finn being shellshocked in one scene, where they attack the village and a fellow stormtrooper dies in his arms, and then 2 scenes later he's hyped and joking after killing, what seems to be a dozen troopers, y'know, effectively negating the really good character setup at the start.)

Kasdan co-wrote Episode VII.

As to the question of Finn...I both understand the complaint, and view it as somewhat tone-deaf to the nature of the Star Wars films in general. Emotional trauma and the stresses of war seldom visit the characters, and when they do it's often for the briefest of moments. This is very broad, basic, primal storytelling. It's never been particularly interested in the nuances of character or highly complex emotional states. That's both good (it makes for extremely digestible entertainment and larger-than-life heroics) and bad (it lacks the complexity and intelligence of more sophisticated storytelling and characterization). TLDR - It's Star Wars. It is what it is. We're seven films in now, people should generally know what to expect and whether or not they have an appetite for it.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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In what capacity is Abrams involved with Episode 8? Is he far enough away from it that his stupid can't influence it?

He's said that he liked the script enough that he wished he was directing it. That would be a strange thing to say, I would think, if he had direct control.

Disney has a department set up with the sole purpose of controlling canon, something Lucas never did. I imagine that department is the one that makes the call on big plot points, like who's related. Abrams isn't a part of that, as far as I know, so I'm fairly certain he doesn't get to make shots like that.

Good to hear. Just checked it, JJ was both a writer and producer for 7, which explains why a bunch of the movie has the Abrams touch that makes everything worse than it needs to be. Guy is a good director, but as far as production calls and especially writing goes, he's awful.

('Cus I'm pretty sure Lawrence Kasdan wouldn't write something as stupid as Finn being shellshocked in one scene, where they attack the village and a fellow stormtrooper dies in his arms, and then 2 scenes later he's hyped and joking after killing, what seems to be a dozen troopers, y'know, effectively negating the really good character setup at the start.)

Well, Disney doesn't directly write everything Star Wars. They're simply directing people what they can write. This is the opposite of what Lucas did, which was basically just hand out pay checks to people who wrote whatever.

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It's probably fair to suspect it's a smoke screen, but I think it may be a bit much to link hair color to parentage. That's just me though.

As for Rogue One, I'm pretty sure it's just part of Disney's new 'Official Canon' push, not some sort of back door for Moms. The books and the TV shows are largely about the 'unseen,' non-Skywalker heroes, why not give them a movie or two?

Possibly. I just have a hard time believing Disney won't try and create a connected universe, the way they have with MCU. Rogue One is still very much its own story, taking place outside the Skywalker legacy. Assuming we believe Rey is Luke's daughter, which all outwardly evident signs point to (to the extent that they would become annoying red herrings if she's not), Luke had to have banged SOMEONE. Why not an attractive co-worker?

EDIT: Whoops, hit post without actually typing my thoughts in.

It's certainly possible, what you're saying. But Disney is doing a lot of things right now.

1. Post-Prequel Clean Up - There are several books and comics focused on this period. They cover setting up the power structure of the Empire, to include Vader and Tarkin's place in the mess. This is the line that most closely attaches to the movies.

2. Setting up the Rebellion - This is basically the purpose of the Rebels show, along with the associated books (A New Dawn) and the comics (The Last Padawan).

3. Post-Original Clean Up - They've done a few books that show the collapse of the Empire, along with how it survived the collapse. Unfortunately, these are the ones that are supposedly poorly written, so I haven't read them.

4. Post-Clone Wars Clean Up - Pretty much one novel on this one, as far as I know (Dark Disciple).

Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part to assume that Rogue One is related more to this secondary material then the primary films. I dunno, the secondary stuff is what I like most about the New Star Wars, so take that for what it is.

On that note, new theory - Rey is the child of Ezra Bridger and Sabine Wren, abandoned just before the Rebel mission that would kill them.

The time frame is a bit screwy, but fuck it, why not?

 

[Something Amyss]

The books and the TV shows are largely about the 'unseen,' non-Skywalker heroes, why not give them a movie or two?

Honestly, I've wanted this since the 80s. Maybe the early 90s. Something like that. Like, I like Luke's arc and whatnot, but I wanted to see other stories in this fertile space Western meets samurai flicks universe.

Granted, I'll judge whether Rogue One is good on its own merits, because it could still suck. I mean, there was a time when I was still looking forward to the story of Anakin Skywalker being told. That...did not go well.

I like this idea of an expanded film universe, though. It's pretty cool.

('Cus I'm pretty sure Lawrence Kasdan wouldn't write something as stupid as Finn being shellshocked in one scene, where they attack the village and a fellow stormtrooper dies in his arms, and then 2 scenes later he's hyped and joking after killing, what seems to be a dozen troopers, y'know, effectively negating the really good character setup at the start.)

Well, I can't say who wrote what, but Lawrence was one of the scriptwriters for Episode VII.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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In what capacity is Abrams involved with Episode 8? Is he far enough away from it that his stupid can't influence it?

He's said that he liked the script enough that he wished he was directing it. That would be a strange thing to say, I would think, if he had direct control.

Disney has a department set up with the sole purpose of controlling canon, something Lucas never did. I imagine that department is the one that makes the call on big plot points, like who's related. Abrams isn't a part of that, as far as I know, so I'm fairly certain he doesn't get to make shots like that.

Good to hear. Just checked it, JJ was both a writer and producer for 7, which explains why a bunch of the movie has the Abrams touch that makes everything worse than it needs to be. Guy is a good director, but as far as production calls and especially writing goes, he's awful.

('Cus I'm pretty sure Lawrence Kasdan wouldn't write something as stupid as Finn being shellshocked in one scene, where they attack the village and a fellow stormtrooper dies in his arms, and then 2 scenes later he's hyped and joking after killing, what seems to be a dozen troopers, y'know, effectively negating the really good character setup at the start.)

Should have said something earlier when I quoted you, but it slipped my mind.

I thought it was fairly clear that Finn was shocked not because of the violence itself, but because of the indiscriminate murder of people who were offering no resistance to him, and the utter lack of shit anyone around him seemed to give.

Not that it makes your interpretation of the movie incorrect, but the expanded material makes that more clear. Finn actually excelled in stormtrooper training, and is shown to be quite adept at violence. He just doesn't share everyone else's view that violence against everyone is ok. He is, however, perfectly capable and willing to kill people if he has to.

The books and the TV shows are largely about the 'unseen,' non-Skywalker heroes, why not give them a movie or two?

Honestly, I've wanted this since the 80s. Maybe the early 90s. Something like that. Like, I like Luke's arc and whatnot, but I wanted to see other stories in this fertile space Western meets samurai flicks universe.

Granted, I'll judge whether Rogue One is good on its own merits, because it could still suck. I mean, there was a time when I was still looking forward to the story of Anakin Skywalker being told. That...did not go well.

I like this idea of an expanded film universe, though. It's pretty cool.

I'm with you on that. That's why Rebels and Clone Wars are my favorite Star Wars stuff - The movies make it feel like the whole galaxy is just the play ground for 5 or 6 people. The shows and books make it feel like there's actually a galaxy out there, and create room for more numerous and interesting stories where the stakes feel higher, even if they aren't. I'm really excited that they may be bringing that to the big screen.

Though, I have to say, I am a bit disappointed, mainly by the Solo movie. It feels like a step back to the old EU, where even the expanded universe is bogged down by the main characters.

 

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Probably not. Phasma is a sideshow, like Boba Fett. I don't think Rey is Luke or Solo's daughter, though. It would be too predictable.

While it would be predictable, and also a case of spectacularly bad writing, it also wouldn't be out of place for an Abrams directed/written/produced movie series.

Abrams is a complete retard, so everything is possible. The guy thinks that the Death Ray of the Starkiller can somehow miraciously hit three planets in a different system within a matter of seconds after firing (and which are also in visual range to one another... hello Star Trek bullshit repeated times three this time), while the beam visually travels at sublight speed (and technically, should travel at about lightspeed).

Unless one wants to argue that Starkiller Base was built in the very same system, where those other three planets were located as well and nobody noticed it and ridiculed Leia and Co about their obvious observations, one has to assume that the stupidiest and most retarded thing can and will happen on a frequent basis in this series.

I'm pretty sure the beams struck just the one planet and the moons orbiting it.

Just to clarify, Starkiller Base is in it's own system. The beam it fires travels through hyperspace, which explains it's range. It hits a planet, several moons, and I believe a concentrated fleet just hanging out in space. All of these targets are in the same system, and fairly close together.

I wont argue that it being visible from another planet/system isn't silly, but, come on, it's Star Wars. It's barely science fiction, so you can't expect it to be particularly hard sci-fi.

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

Each time I see TFA, the more I can see Rey is not related to the Solos or Skywalkers. Even Maz says that her parents are never coming back for her, that she believes that they are dead. 'Don't look to the past, that is gone.' But that Luke could be her chance to belong to a family in the future. No one has put forth that she could be a romantic interest for Luke.

Phasma having a small part in the first one along with her being responsible for the Death Star getting destroyed due to interference from Han Solo mimics Vader from the first Star Wars.

They will probably have Phasma give a big reveal in the next movie, about having to hide her child to keep her from being drafted by the First Order, and ended up serving herself. She also leads the stormtroopers in invading the village at the start of the movie, like Vader did on Leia's ship.

She has a strong connection to the Force, along with being a great pilot, and tech savvy. Snoke (Palpatine?) really wants to get a hold of her, probably to replace Kylo Ren.

#reyismarajade

thile this explanation might explain why a higly trained and loyal officer would obey two hostile renegades at gunpoint i see no other point that could possibly make it viable. besides phasma is tall and naturally bulky while rey has a slender frame. while the fathers genes can have a lot to say body shape would be more likely to be inherrited from the mother. also it seems like phasma would at least take some interest in her secret daughter being on starkiller base, which she does not and if she was willing to completely dehumanise herself for half her life just to keep rey safe wouldn't she have saved her there and then rather than leave it to people she doesn't know and hope rey makes it out alive? yes it is extremely annoying how they completely wasted both gwendoline christie and the prospect of phasmas character but this theory simply doesn't hold water

 

[Something Amyss]

Not that it makes your interpretation of the movie incorrect, but the expanded material makes that more clear. Finn actually excelled in stormtrooper training, and is shown to be quite adept at violence. He just doesn't share everyone else's view that violence against everyone is ok. He is, however, perfectly capable and willing to kill people if he has to.

Yeah, I'll chime in here, too. Finn was traumatised by the way they slaughted a village wholesale with brutal tactics. Killing soldiers and killing civilians should be somewhat different.

There's even a deleted scene where Finn has a standoff against an unarmed woman with a baby (I think) and eventually lowers his blaster. He can't bring himself to kill these random strangers who have done nothing wrong except maybe been in the vicinity of NOT OBI-WAN.

The First Order, however. He's trying to survive and escape. They were going to reprogram him. I'd feel a little different, myself.

Additionally, I mean, Boyega's performance of Finn starts off stiff. I think he's emulating Poe. His first woohoo or yeah or whatever is so stiff you could support a Hutt on it. I don't think there's anything sudden about this. Poe's among the first real people Finn has metm and I do think he rubs off on Finn, even if Finn's first impulse is still survival and escape.

I'm with you on that. That's why Rebels and Clone Wars are my favorite Star Wars stuff - The movies make it feel like the whole galaxy is just the play ground for 5 or 6 people. The shows and books make it feel like there's actually a galaxy out there, and create room for more numerous and interesting stories where the stakes feel higher, even if they aren't. I'm really excited that they may be bringing that to the big screen.

I've not seen Rebels yet, but Clones Wars had some really good episodes. But yeah, there's this enormous galaxy out there that certainly must have stories to be told. You have bounty hunters, smugglers, Rebels, Imperials, and these struggles have to be happening on more than just Alderaan and the Death Star and Tattooine. Plus whole frontiers, alien cultures, trade negotiations.

I mean, people seem mixed on the lack of lightsabers in Rogue One. I think it'll be freaking great if we can have no or minimal Jedi involvement. I get the Vader hints, but I'm still hoping maybe that's more of a tease. I love lightsabers and the Force and epic duels of destiny, but I still want to see some movies without them. That would be so cool on the big screen.

Though, I have to say, I am a bit disappointed, mainly by the Solo movie. It feels like a step back to the old EU, where even the expanded universe is bogged down by the main characters.

I think I like the idea of the EU more than the EU itself. I mean, at its best, the EU was awesome. But at its average, it seemed like it was overly interested in fellating the main heroes and villains. At its worst, it basically devolved into fanfic wars between authors whose pet characters were X Y or Z. I'm not so much worried about the latter, but the former could be a problem with Han.

Also, I think Han got a pretty complete story and I don't know what they could add that would be of use.

Actually, I'm kind of worried they'll do this with the Kessel Run


And I'll point out I actually liked the Star Trek reboot. Still, I freaking hate that scene.

I think Han's past is best left to our imagination.

...although I probably could have just showed ANY scene from Phantom Menace to make my point.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

Rey is obviously the daughter of Sidious and Ventress. Wouldn't that be fun?

 

[DefunctTheory]

Rey is obviously the daughter of Sidious and Ventress. Wouldn't that be fun?

Kind of. But... uh...

I'm not going to spoil anything, just... yah, no.

Well, ok, maybe I'll spoil it, inside of spoilers.

Spoiler: Post-Clone Wars Show Spoilers

Ventress doesn't survive the Clone Wars

 

[Kolby Jack]

I would be stoked if she were maybe Ezra's daughter. I'd say Kanan's too, but Kanan only has eyes (... too soon?) for Hera, and I believed it's established that cross-species relationships don't produce children.

I'm not staking my entire liking of Rey on to this idea, mind you, but I'd certainly be more invested in both Rebels AND the new movies if Rebels had SOME kind of presence in the films. Ezra is the same age as Luke, and assuming he does actually survive the TV show, I feel like he'd be an important member of the new Jedi. They could easily fit this into the movies without even that much exposition.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I would be stoked if she were maybe Ezra's daughter. I'd say Kanan's too, but Kanan only has eyes (... too soon?) for Hera, and I believed it's established that cross-species relationships don't produce children.

Humans and Twi'leks can reproduce. They just look kind of jacked up.

So that's a no go.

I'm not staking my entire liking of Rey on to this idea, mind you, but I'd certainly be more invested in both Rebels AND the new movies if Rebels had SOME kind of presence in the films. Ezra is the same age as Luke, and assuming he does actually survive the TV show, I feel like he'd be an important member of the new Jedi. They could easily fit this into the movies without even that much exposition.

I doubt he survives, to be honest, nor Kanan. But if he does...

Ezra and Sabine survive Rebels, but don't become part of the Rebellion proper due to personal reasons (Perhaps Sabine finally gets fed up with the shadow games and being kept in the dark, or Ezra decides that, being a Jedi, his presence is more of a danger to the Rebellion then a help). They go off and do other stuff, striking the Empire on their own. Sometime after the death of the Emperor, they celebrate by settling down and having a daughter, Rey. At this point, Ezra learns of the New Jedi Order, and goes to join up with Luke, leaving Sabine alone with their child for the time being.

Kylo Ren/Snoke do their thing, and Ezra is killed along with the rest of the Jedi recruits. Sabine hears something has gone wrong, and hides Rey while she goes to find out what happened, or to avenge Ezra. She does not survive.

Hows that sound?

 

[Odbarc]

Rei's parents are dead or died. They haven't been revealed because of that.
Snoke is a completely new character and isn't anyone in disguise.

 

[MrBoBo]

Rey is obviously the daughter of Sidious and Ventress. Wouldn't that be fun?

If she was the daughter of Sidious, that would be quite interesting. Improbable as it probably is.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I'd like to think that Rey is no one's daughter (or at least, nobody of import to the series). To be honest, that wouldn't really surprise me. It's practically in the title of the movie. The Force has awakened. To me, that would imply that it's in more than one family's lineage.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I would be stoked if she were maybe Ezra's daughter. I'd say Kanan's too, but Kanan only has eyes (... too soon?) for Hera, and I believed it's established that cross-species relationships don't produce children.

Humans and Twi'leks can reproduce. They just look kind of jacked up.

So that's a no go.

I'm not staking my entire liking of Rey on to this idea, mind you, but I'd certainly be more invested in both Rebels AND the new movies if Rebels had SOME kind of presence in the films. Ezra is the same age as Luke, and assuming he does actually survive the TV show, I feel like he'd be an important member of the new Jedi. They could easily fit this into the movies without even that much exposition.

I doubt he survives, to be honest, nor Kanan. But if he does...

Ezra and Sabine survive Rebels, but don't become part of the Rebellion proper due to personal reasons (Perhaps Sabine finally gets fed up with the shadow games and being kept in the dark, or Ezra decides that, being a Jedi, his presence is more of a danger to the Rebellion then a help). They go off and do other stuff, striking the Empire on their own. Sometime after the death of the Emperor, they celebrate by settling down and having a daughter, Rey. At this point, Ezra learns of the New Jedi Order, and goes to join up with Luke, leaving Sabine alone with their child for the time being.

Kylo Ren/Snoke do their thing, and Ezra is killed along with the rest of the Jedi recruits. Sabine hears something has gone wrong, and hides Rey while she goes to find out what happened, or to avenge Ezra. She does not survive.

Hows that sound?

I'm pretty sure in that episode they mentioned that the kids were NOT the clone's. He's their step-dad. Also, all twi'lek kids in the show were ugly.

That's Numa, who actually appears in Rebels.

I like your theory though. I doubt it would go exactly like that, but it's plausible enough.

 

[minkus_draconus]

I think Han's past is best left to our imagination.

I never read any of the newer SW books. The most recent SW book I read was Splinter of the Minds Eye.
I think the old Han Solo Adventures trilogy was decent. There was smuggling, prison breaks and him constantly having to replace expensive and illegal military grade parts of the Falcon.