Rome II - How psyched are you?

[Albino Boo]

The only thing I can say to that is Carthago delenda est, you lily livered fool. I shall stand as tribune and pass laws removing you from command.

Go ahead and try, bee-atch! Hmmm... Lex Albina, or Lex Booa ¬_¬ ... *snrk* Besides, you tribunes are useless idiots, while I'm Pontifex Maximus (from 150), Princeps Senatus (from 147) and former Censor. Now run along and go cry to your daddy Cato...(!) =P

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How dare you insult the Albina family we where priests of Jupiter at the sanctuary in the Alban hill why you poxy Cornelians were being told which end of pig was which by Etruscan kings. Look at my snazzy red boots. My tribunes will veto any land settlements for your drunken rabble of an army.


It could be interesting if they had a proper simulation of republican politics. You would have to balance military and political skills. It could make a very different multi player experience.

 

[winginson]

I'm really looking forward to Rome 2. I think the original Rome was my favorite so far in the series, and while I love how battles look now I hate how all the factions in Empire and Shogun 2 are almost identical.

*EDIT* I want the epic pre-battle speeches back. Those were awesome.

 

[BlazeRaider]

Hmmm... *wonders if I should get roped into debate about Carthage's military system* ... -_-

Fighting is for peasants, I'll just pay the unwashed masses to fight for me

 

[Pharsalus]

Very exited, Rome was a singular video game experience and to go back to it with all the progress CA has made. It is the only game this year that I know ,%100, I'm buying.

 

[Albino Boo]

Hmmm... *wonders if I should get roped into debate about Carthage's military system* ... -_-

Fighting is for peasants, I'll just pay the unwashed masses to fight for me

In the second Punic war that is exactly what Rome did, largely because Hannibal had killed everyone else. After Cannae, Rome dropped the property qualification to join the army, due to the lack of qualified manpower.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

have you played shogun 2? If not, don't rag on it, I own and have played every total war game, hell I even own some of them on steam and as hardcopies.

What does you owning the games have to do with anything, exactly? I asked why the criticisms about the scale of the game are unfair or untrue, and what whether someone owns the game or not has to do with the truth of it, I couldn't give less of a crap what you own.

Just trying to put into perspective, that my understanding of scale isn't limited to just one total war game, and trying to point out that from my position, the scale of it, albeit not global FEELS huge even when compared to other games in the same series that are supposed to be bigger, but end up feeling the same size or smaller than they make JUST JAPAN feel in shogun 2, but maybe my implications of such an idea, might not have gotten past your aggression shield, as you seem to have turned a statement made by me, into an argument against you.

Also the number of times I've seen the units line up only to be backstabbed by some dude with a spear in shogun 2 defies counting, so it's not all just one v one, or battles would take a lot longer to play out when the numbers are stacked unevenly.

Good for you. Your "backstab" scenario says nothing about the underlying game mechanics.

I'm just trying to point out that a scenario which I have observed countless times which falls into "Dude stabs a guy due to open opportunity, cuz battle" rather than "Honourable fight between two warriors times 1000" in itself goes against the perception that 10 guys will beat hundreds in that game so unfairly due to it all being a series of one on one battles, and thus having broken mechanics for large scale battles, just saying.

 

[BristolBerserker]

I like the new ability to launch amphibious attacks on cities. I believe they could of done this in Empire but better late than never.

 

[Spectrum_Prez]

I might get this if it gets good reviews. Hope the overworld gameplay is improved. I liked both Rome, Medieval II, and Empire, but I found I was just auto-calc'ing all the battles.

If you find you're really playing the game for the 4x component, just move to Europa Universalis IV, which is starting to shape up quite nicely.

 

[Jedi-Hunter4]

Damnit, it's the only game I genuinely care about in the foreseeable year (exception maybe given to Wasteland II and Shadowrun, but I don't hold as high hopes about those).
So, how psyched are you?
What are you expecting out of it?
Which factions will be added/removed from the last game?
Do you think they will keep as many different units as last time, or go more Shogun 2 about it?
Tech-tree and Exp for Generals?
Will it be better than the predecessor?

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, have literally just screamed and woke the whole flat up. I gave shogun a miss but I have played the other game's since Rome came out an there have been so many many improvements they can add.

I hope units are still as varied as rome was. I'd like to see a game where you can play from the unification of the Italian states, the inception of the empire from a republic all the way through to the possible splitting of the empire all in one game, I know that is like a 800-1000 year period depending where you want to call it but that would just be crazy. Truely sculpt your rome.

I know that Kind of robs them of expansions though lol. One thing I'm interested to see is what they do with sea battle's of the time as for the most part they kind of fought them like they did on land joined up an had a pitched battle, that could be pretty kl if sea battles are still in.

Tech-tree an exp for generals not so sure, I kind of like how you never know who's going to have that stand out battle and come out as the general of the ages. Some sort of incorporation of the roman family politics could be cool though. Like forcing you to appoint a new general from a particular family, being careful not to leave generals within a powerhouse region or army for too long encase the army becomes too loyal etc etc, could see it becoming annoying as hell but could be really good if done well, as in there could be advantages to instigating it or something. More control in the senate or something.

I'd love to see some-form of loyalty system through the auxillarys etc like the Romans used to raise units in say France and post them in Greece miles away, an vice versa so they would not have thought's about rebelling with their countrymen an the people back home would not want to rebel for fear of their safe return. Consequences for loosing large amount of legionaries would be cool as well as there were in real life as they were citizens, just more authentic representation of the mental amount of politics that went on would be cool, have to think about your moves, supply lines for army's would be cool as well, not sure if it would be getting too in depth for the broader range of players, but would be cool for me.

 

[Kaymish]

I'm like super mega amped every time i see something about Rome II i get so excited i just about piss myself i loved Rome and empire was a little disappointed with shogun and i didnt like how it was sorta 1v1 combat if i have 240 troops surrounding 1 armed citizen i expect them to dog pile on the guy or stab him while hes distracted by the other guy
anyway im still suped excited about Rome II especially the announced upgrades to the campaign AI that really weirds me out how they lose half their territory to me and there armies have been decimated they still demand half of my empire for a peace treaty even if i can no longer afford to keep steam rolling them i can keep the war going

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I'm uncommitted at the moment.

The setting isn't one of my favourite historical eras, Shogun 2 pissed me off with it's pulling massed stacks out of the FOW to the point where it killed the fun for me AND the strategic level stuff needs a lot of work because it's falling further and further behind the shit Paradox does (yeah yeah, I know Paradox has the advantage of the EU engine games only being strategic level). Also the diplomacy model still sucks donkey balls.


Also, that wiki linked in before? Their map on the Iceni page is wrong... it has Ireland labeled as Caledonia and Scotland labeled as Hibernia, which is arse backward.

 

[TheBelgianGuy]

Also, that wiki linked in before? Their map on the Iceni page is wrong... it has Ireland labeled as Caledonia and Scotland labeled as Hibernia, which is arse backward.

Plus it has their territory extended too far south... and Camulodunum as their capitol? Isn't that Colchester, which was the home of the Trinovantes, allies of Rome? The only link between the Iceni and Camulodunum I know off is that they burned it down during the Boudica revolt.

And about that map: I think you are misreading it, mate It doesn't label Ireland as Caledonia and Scotland as Hibernia, though it might look like it.
If you look closely, it actually says "Caledonia et Hibernia", ie. "Scotland and Ireland", meaning they're one and the same region in the game (and while indeed it would be better if they had said "Hibernia et Caledonia" instead, that's much less of a brainfart than calling scotland ireland).

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

And about that map: I think you are misreading it, mate It doesn't label Ireland as Caledonia and Scotland as Hibernia, though it might look like it.
If you look closely, it actually says "Caledonia et Hibernia", ie. "Scotland and Ireland", meaning they're one and the same region in the game (and while indeed it would be better if they had said "Hibernia et Caledonia" instead, that's much less of a brainfart than calling scotland ireland).

Oh, right... Fairy nuff, then. That does make more sense.

I might eventually get Rome II when it's going cheap but I'm not sure... I mean the amphibious invasions sound cool and all but that won't make up for things if Creative Assembly haven't lifted their game in Battle AI, strategic level complexity and stupid arse diplomacy. Oh yeah, and fucktard DLC CRAZY they go as well.

 

[Realitycrash]

Seems I am one of the few that really enjoyed Shogun 2 and Empire.

I really did love Shogun 2, and I still play it (because of the diplomatic improvements done and the fact that Very Hard is a joke in any previous game), but the one thing we all seem to miss is the fact that there are so few unique units.

OT: Just rewatched that Carthage siege demo, and it seems to have about the same mechanics in terms of combat as Shogun 2 had. One unit picks another, they lock in and everybody else who's near and could attack either of the two units just stands around doing nothing. I know this is pre-alpha footage, but somehow I doubt that's going to go away in the full release.

They don't need to fix it completely, just make it a whole less obvious and make it open to chance.

 

[Realitycrash]

On a related note, just like they spoke Japanese in Shogun 2, I wouldn't mind the romans speak Latin in Rome 2.

 

[Ironside]

Can we please have the Picts as a playable faction? Please CA?

We already have one insignificant tribe - the iceni - taking up one of only 8 playable faction slots at game start, so i would hope that CA wont add another one to the list. I Imagine they would have a greater chance of being playable in Barbarian Invasion 2 or whatever they will call it.

Thanks for the link, i was looking for something like that to bookmark


Edit - Parthia will sweep west, unless they are not playable where Carthage will conquer?

You should subscribe to their Youtube channel as well if you haven't already - their rally point videos are pretty good (the last one had battle of teutoberg forest screenshots and a sample of some of the new music for the game).

At best they're going to be a minor faction (like rebels) for the Iceni to fight.
Never fear though, mods will sort that out.

Mods will only sort it out if CA has no dlc plans for factions like the Picts. The modders were stopped from doing certain things in Shogun 2 to stop them from doing the same thing as dlc plans.

Damnit, it's the only game I genuinely care about in the foreseeable year (exception maybe given to Wasteland II and Shadowrun, but I don't hold as high hopes about those).
So, how psyched are you?
What are you expecting out of it?
Which factions will be added/removed from the last game?
Do you think they will keep as many different units as last time, or go more Shogun 2 about it?
Tech-tree and Exp for Generals?
Will it be better than the predecessor?

I think the changes to sieges alone will make it better than its predecessor although i am annoyed that some of the major empires will only be released as dlc. Hopefully they wont have bonus factions depending on where you order it from as well - the retailers will probably be fighting over who gets to have Sparta as their bonus. Hopefully there wont be any stupid units like pink pyjama people of the east or flaming pigs or beserkers that can kill everything on the battlefield or super Spartans this time as well.

I'm excited like hell. I can't wait to spend another 200 hours on an another Total War game.

And for anyone interested:
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Factions

All the factions in the game. They're being released every now and then.

That will only be the playable factions at the start. There will 50+ altogether - i believe they are sticking with the "no more rebel" faction thing they've been going for in recent games, so i imagine most regions will have a faction associated with them.

 

[Realitycrash]

I'm excited like hell. I can't wait to spend another 200 hours on an another Total War game.

And for anyone interested:
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Factions

All the factions in the game. They're being released every now and then.

That will only be the playable factions at the start. There will 50+ altogether - i believe they are sticking with the "no more rebel" faction thing they've been going for in recent games, so i imagine most regions will have a faction associated with them.

If you could source that it would make me very happy. 50 factions, all with unique units? Yes please.

 

[SckizoBoy]

How dare you insult the Albina family we where priests of Jupiter at the sanctuary in the Alban hill why you poxy Cornelians were being told which end of pig was which by Etruscan kings. Look at my snazzy red boots. My tribunes will veto any land settlements for your drunken rabble of an army.

Now, look here...(!) Back in those days, a pig was a pig and we ate the whole damned thing! You kids these days don't know how lucky you have it with your full cuisine from Syria, amongst other places. Besides, I don't need an army, can't leave Rome! =P

It could be interesting if they had a proper simulation of republican politics. You would have to balance military and political skills. It could make a very different multi player experience.

Yeah, that's true... but it's a very complex system (mid-Republic, that is) that would not translate very fluidly to the game. Sure, they could probably cut down the number of magistrates, but it'd be very difficult to balance in general, which is a pity.

Fighting is for peasants, I'll just pay the unwashed masses to fight for me

Hmmm... seems like it's time for me to put my demagogue suit on! =P Soon you will have no army, oligarch!

In the second Punic war that is exactly what Rome did, largely because Hannibal had killed everyone else. After Cannae, Rome dropped the property qualification to join the army, due to the lack of qualified manpower.

Yeah, they broke so many traditions... Gracchus & his slave legions, both of Africanus' (original) armies were primarily composed of volunteers and I think they'd reduced the property requirement to something poxy like a thousand asses.

On a related note, just like they spoke Japanese in Shogun 2, I wouldn't mind the romans speak Latin in Rome 2.

Think everyone will just point at Europa Barbarorum and go 'like that, please... like that!'