Rumor: George Lucas Thinks the World Will End in 2012 UPDATE
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Not go go off topic but we are talking about the guy who made this:
OT: Mel Gibson is ape shit on the phone...
Tom Cruise is into Scientology...
And George Lucas believes that the world is going to end in 2012.
And people look towards Hollywood for rational thinking why?
P.S. Feel free to add to the list.
OT: Mel Gibson is ape shit on the phone...
Tom Cruise is into Scientology...
And George Lucas believes that the world is going to end in 2012.
And people look towards Hollywood for rational thinking why?
P.S. Feel free to add to the list.
You're honestly trying to compare 2012, based on a misreading of an ancient calendar system and... well, nothing else, really, to the unknown consequences of the real, verifiable, and man-made programming practice of using two digits only to represent dates?Therumancer said:
Seriously?
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Examined closely? By whom, Roland Emmerich?Therumancer said:
Let me be blunt: Aside from trying to extrapolate the future state of a system from its initial state and a set of agreed-upon rules, predicting the future is impossible. It was impossible, it is impossible, and it's probably going to continue to be impossible. If the stories surrounding the supposed world-ending 2012 "event" were based on any such analysis, they would be well understood and well-documented by now, such as would be the case if there was a NEO on a highly probably collision course, or other such event that is comprehensible and observable by anyone with access to the required instruments.
The saying, "I don't believe in Heaven but I pray there's no hell" is a good example of this attitude, but unfortunately, those who don't believe a thing but play devil's advocate for it are enabling the craziness with their laziness. You think there's even a remote possibility that there's something going on that you can somehow prevent or prepare for, but you don't want to do it because you're too embarassed? If you don't believe there is, because no evidence whatsoever has ever been presented, what's the point of entertaining the idea that it shouldn't be dismissed until there is?Therumancer said:
Actually, though, they won't. They'll move the date, switch to something else. They won't notice. They, or people like them, will come back in a few years.Therumancer said:
As for mockery... I sort of agree with you. While I'm not sure mockery is a socially acceptable form of criticism, I'd say those who support the major religions are just as deserving as the ones that get mocked as real whackjobs.
Right, because that's not crazy. Not at all.Therumancer said:Also I'll be blunt, 2012 is a good enough excuse to do something cool. I mean let's say you *DO* make a survival vehicle or something, even if the apocolypse never happens you've still got something pretty cool that you did. Someone screws you on a real estate deal or whatever and you decide to pull a Heemeyer your already set.
Man-made event with well-understood consequences. Bombs similar to those used in the past to devestating effect may have been used, in large numbers, to devestating effect. The fact that it didn't happen, or that people did or didn't believe it would happen, had no effect on whether or not it would happen, or what the consequences would be if it had happened. I'd call that a rational thing to be worried about, and while most average people couldn't do anything about it on a short-term time scale, in the US at least those things can and are influenced by elections.samsonguy920 said:
Man-made event with well-understood potential consequences. Many important systems were known to have been made using only two digits to represent dates, so that Bad Things? might have happened if it wasn't corrected. The fact is, millions of dollars was spent doing exactly that. If nothing happened it's because most of the problems were fixed, not because nothing ever happens. I personally know COBOL programmers who did very well for themselves in those years doing exactly that.samsonguy920 said:
Guess what? Your first two examples were both concrete and man-made. The third isn't. Which one of these things doesn't belong?samsonguy920 said:
The world may very well end next year. I see no particular reason why it should, nor has any evidence-based claim come forward to explain why it should, which makes it categorically different from the first two examples.
George may well have gone off his rocker, but it's as important to understand why we've reached that conclusion as it is to reach the conclusion itself. We've reached that conclusion because there's no evidence to back the third assertion-- not because people who believe bad things will happen are somehow magically always wrong because "life goes on". Someday it might not, but the day it doesn't, there will be a good reason.samsonguy920 said:
In all likely hood the world isn't go to end over night or even over just a few years. Even if our population continues to rise and we eventually have huge oil shortages which causes the masses of humanity to act similarly to grasshoppers and become locusts apon the earth (eating, destroying and ruining everything in their endless quest for food, heat and survival) it will take much more then 1 year for everything to play out. Probably at least 10 years and even then there is a VERY high chance that some humans will survive and eventually repopulate the earth.
So yeah, unless a meteor is going to hit us (we'd probably know about it by now) or a power plant in Japan melts down causing a chain reaction to start (there are over 50 nucleor power plants in japan) that knocks the early out of orbit or something...I don't think there is much chance of the end of the world in the next year or so.
Now in the next 30 years? Thats another story.
So yeah, unless a meteor is going to hit us (we'd probably know about it by now) or a power plant in Japan melts down causing a chain reaction to start (there are over 50 nucleor power plants in japan) that knocks the early out of orbit or something...I don't think there is much chance of the end of the world in the next year or so.
Now in the next 30 years? Thats another story.
He wouldn't be planning to remake the trilogies in 3D if he thought the world was ending in 2012.
Therumancer said:Let me be blunt about something here:
I'm not personally making any preparations for the end of the world or anything, however the 2012 thing has been out there for a long time. Truthfully it's one of the creepier ones out there with a lot more supporting it than most of these theories (like Y2k). As it's gotten closer you've seen more and more people claiming to have "debunked" it. I've noticed this is a general tendency among people in general whenever something "big" is supposed to be coming. Nobody wants to be "that guy" who reacts on a massive level, and gets laughed at when nothing happens. Heck, in reality that's the biggest problem with emergency situations is that unless someone actually SEES the fire (or at least the smoke) or evidence of a disater or whatever, they are going to think your jerking their chain, trying to scam them somehow, or involved in some kind of a drill. More people die in emergencies through lack of appropriate reaction, even given plenty of time (disbelief) than do in massive stampeding panics. Strange but true, and it's a big part of emergency training, or at least it was when I did it. In this case there is no obvious danger, and nobody wants to be that idiot who goes on on a limb for something that doesn't happen. It's easier to be a victim "OMG I didn't think it was real" after the fact, than the clown who say runs away from a fire only to come back 20 minutes later when he realizes the building isn't burning to find all his buddies laughing about
him while having a beer.
The point here is that I'm 35, the 2012 thing has been around and closely examined for decades of my life. It's only as it's gotten closer that I have seen many serious attempts to debunk it being given time, while at the same time very few of the people who made the previous cases open their mouths, or are given much time.
Speaking entirely for myself, if I was going to believe in one of these things to the point of taking action (which I doubtlessly won't) this would probably be the one. While unrelated events can be connected to anything to give a veneer of signifigance, it's interesting to note that a lot of things that have been being said for decades (longer actually) do seem to be happening. I mean we have massive numbers of natural disasters happening all over the place, heck I was even reading an article about how polar north is apparently shifting (very slowly, but it's happening) and has been messing up insturments not too long ago. All of this at once is a bit on the uncanny side, above and beyond people who want to believe trying to tie anything they can into it. I mean how often do we have polar shifts, and an area roughly the size of Texas (if I remember the measurements right) in Australia getting stuck under 30' of water.
Now for those going "lulz, Theru is as mad as George Lucas" I'll be blunt, I find the situation more or less irrelevent other than as brain candy to ponder. It's not much of an apocolypse if any amount of preparation a disabled guy like me could make is going to allow them to survive, and if it did, and I lived, I need so much medication to operate comfortably that it's unreal. It's not like I'm going to be able to get by as "Mad Max" or something. This basic reality renders the whole thing kind of meaningless.
My advice is that I wouldn't be so quick to mock people, any more than you should mock people who hold to a religion. If nothing happens on 2012 they are going to feel like giant goofuses already without needing more mockery.
Also I'll be blunt, 2012 is a good enough excuse to do something cool. I mean let's say you *DO* make a survival vehicle or something, even if the apocolypse never happens you've still got something pretty cool that you did. Someone screws you on a real estate deal or whatever and you decide to pull a Heemeyer your already set.
Jokes aside, I recommend anyone who is capable of surviving an emergency should as a matter of course have a pack ready to go. Not literally because of zombies, 2012 events, or anything in paticular, but for anything that could happen. Heck, it could just be your neighbor's house on fire, or a weather/flood based evacuation. Having a couple changes of clothes, and some basic supplies ready in a bag that you can just grab and run out the door with is not typically a bad idea. For nerds thinking "what would I need to survive a Zombie Apocolypse" or "what if 2012 causes radical shifts in the climate and I don't die instantly" is a good basis to do your packing, because most of what would help in that situation would help you deal with say... unexpecting flooding. This includes having something that can be used as a weapon handy to bring with you because well, crazy people aren't Zombies, but look at what happened during Katrina in New Orleans... you had people shooting at the rescue copters.
At any rate, I'm HOPING 2012 will be the beginning of a Shadowrun like occurance where I will be physically transformed into a long lived and physically and mentally healthy form, gifted with magical powers. But then again I'm the God-Emperor of all nerds, before whom even Nerd Kings bow to in fits of "WTFness". I'm not banking on something this cool (especially seeing as it's popular fiction, which pretty much excludes it's potential as an occurance) but the thing about hope is you can hope for anything.
NEWS FLASH MAGNETIC POLES SHIFTING IS NATURAL. Actually, no, we've known the poles shift for years.
Chances are that the 'higher' occurances of natural disasters is just eeryone being on edge and thus the natural disasters feel more common or more severe, when in fact, they probably aren't- especially seeing how florida wasn't hammered by four hurricans recently.
Also
"Making fun of religion is like making fun of the retarded. It's easy to do, but it's not polite to do it."
If Lucas leave the world to avoid the end he expects, does that mean he won't be able to stop someone taking over the Starwars franchise and making it worth paying attention to again
What a fascinating article... not.
Is the Escapist turning into some tabloid? Are we gonna get, articles about celebrity gossip next?Because this is neither game related, nor film related, this is about George Lucas' hypothetical personal belief. Sure it might be stupid, but you know what, as long as it does no harm to the people around, everyone is entitled to a personal belief. But no let's just use this pointless, shallow article as ammunition against Lucas, because everyone hates him, might as well write that he kicked a kitten or something, that's gonna warrant a few a thousand clicks I guess.
Is the Escapist turning into some tabloid? Are we gonna get, articles about celebrity gossip next?Because this is neither game related, nor film related, this is about George Lucas' hypothetical personal belief. Sure it might be stupid, but you know what, as long as it does no harm to the people around, everyone is entitled to a personal belief. But no let's just use this pointless, shallow article as ammunition against Lucas, because everyone hates him, might as well write that he kicked a kitten or something, that's gonna warrant a few a thousand clicks I guess.
Would explain his recent lack of disrespect for the Star Wars Franchise in the past several years. Hell, I'd stop giving a shit too if I believed the end was right around the corner.
Oblivion by Death Star, I can think of no better way to die. Force choked by Vader or fried by the Emperor would be cooler, but odds are their arms would get tired long before they got to me.
I would like to put forth a challenge to George Lucas if I may (if a lacky is reading this then communicate this to him);
If the world doesn't end in 2012, then you must apologise for Jar Jar Binks.
I would like to put forth a challenge to George Lucas if I may (if a lacky is reading this then communicate this to him);
If the world doesn't end in 2012, then you must apologise for Jar Jar Binks.
You know maybe, just maybe, George does realise what horrors he has brought upon us and all he wants is for the world to end quickly to stop our suffering..?