Statham was also in a Uwe Bolle movie. His presence does not guarantee success or watchability for that matter.Z of the Na said:Jason Statham you say?
I'm in.
So in addition to Bay's long list of credits, we can possibly add "Big Fat Liar" to it.
Statham was also in a Uwe Bolle movie. His presence does not guarantee success or watchability for that matter.Z of the Na said:Jason Statham you say?
I'm in.
Yeah, you say that, but it's Michael Bay.OutrageousEmu said:Well, couldn't be worse than the other live action Popeye cartoon.
Sorry, I'll have to stand up for Uwe Boll at this juncture.xXDeMoNiCXx said:I'd pick throwing in Uwe Boll in there first anyday.The_root_of_all_evil said:That's it settled then. We cannot achieve anything until Lucas and Bay are both removed from the gene pool. Throw Cowell in there as well.
I disagree. That man is a God among manly men. You need look no further than Death Race, Crank, and Crank 2: High Voltage.008Zulu said:His presence does not guarantee success or watchability for that matter.
I'd take Emmerich's retarded writing over Bay's non-existent plot writing any day of the week.EverythingIncredible said:Well...could have been worse. Could have been directed by Roland Emmerich.
But that first movie was decades ago. Now all the child fans are old and have enough money to go to the theaters. You think parents spoiled their kids back then like they do now, those kids had to beg to go to that movie? Plus more people are into "geek" culture, I know I wouldn't have been all that comfortable going out to watch a Transformers movie in 1986 (provided I'd been born then)... Things have changed since then.OutrageousEmu said:....because he made a lot of money. Like you just said.GeorgW said:I thought he specifically stated many times that he didn't want to make any more transformers movies?
I can get that you want to make a new Transformers movies, they made a lot of money. But why rehire the guy that pretty much every critic and fan hated?
Do me a favour. Find the amount of money that the first animated Transformers movie made. The one that critics at the time either ignored or hated, but the young fans who are older now loved. Okay, you won't - it mad $5.9 million, meaning it actually was a bomb and failed to make back its budget. Now get me the numbers for the ones Bay made, the one critics hated but the young fans adored. Okay, I'll do it for you - together, they made over 2 and a half billion dollars. 450 times the amount of money the supposedly "superior" one made.
If I recall correctly Green Lantern just barely broke even, but I'm not really invested in the topic.OutrageousEmu said:If that were true, then the first movie would be the most successful, followed by a sharp decline in ticket sales. This is quite the opposite - each Transformeers movie made about 300 million more than the last. Besides, by that logic, no geek property would ever lose money, ever. How'd Green Lantern do?GeorgW said:But that first movie was decades ago. Now all the child fans are old and have enough money to go to the theaters. You think parents spoiled their kids back then like they do now, those kids had to beg to go to that movie? Plus more people are into "geek" culture, I know I wouldn't have been all that comfortable going out to watch a Transformers movie in 1986 (provided I'd been born then)... Things have changed since then.OutrageousEmu said:....because he made a lot of money. Like you just said.GeorgW said:I thought he specifically stated many times that he didn't want to make any more transformers movies?
I can get that you want to make a new Transformers movies, they made a lot of money. But why rehire the guy that pretty much every critic and fan hated?
Do me a favour. Find the amount of money that the first animated Transformers movie made. The one that critics at the time either ignored or hated, but the young fans who are older now loved. Okay, you won't - it mad $5.9 million, meaning it actually was a bomb and failed to make back its budget. Now get me the numbers for the ones Bay made, the one critics hated but the young fans adored. Okay, I'll do it for you - together, they made over 2 and a half billion dollars. 450 times the amount of money the supposedly "superior" one made.
The Transformers name sold the tickets, not the director. Why not just keep making Transformers movies, but make them good?
Doesn't Unicron pretty much heal all the bad guys before using them as his own personal army or something?Fayathon said:Wat.
I mean...
How the fuck do you revive a series that you brutally killed off the big bads to? Then again, a revival deus ex machina really wouldn't be beyond Bay would it, if it meant another two movies that will gross an inordinate amount of cash.
I'm morbidly curious as to what the hell he'd do with the series if he was greenlit for another go, but I really hope it falls through.
Is Lord of the Rings considered a Hollywood blockbuster? Because despite their release schedule all three movies were shot at the same time.Marter said:So, let me get this straight. Not only has filming back-to-back (this is talking Hollywood Blockbusters only here) resulted in good films (critically at least) 1 time -- the Harry Potter 7 films -- but now studios are going to do this for three major franchises? I don't understand. We've got Fast and the Furious 6 and 7 being shot back-to-back, we're going to have the new Terminator films shot that was as well. Add the Breaking Dawn split and this new Transformers revelation -- I dunno, doesn't it just seem like too much reliance on a technique that has had very mixed results in the past? Just look at the 2nd and 3rd Pirates or Matrix films.
Oh well. In the end, it's all about the money.
Why don't we also throw in Bobby Kotick?The_root_of_all_evil said:That's it settled then. We cannot achieve anything until Lucas and Bay are both removed from the gene pool. Throw Cowell in there as well.
You're probably right. Still, there are plenty better movies out there with explosions, titties and dirty jokes, why did the people choose this one?OutrageousEmu said:Be absolutely shameless. It was explosions, boobs and dirty jokes. Critics and you hated it, but evidently there was a gigantic audience that loved it.GeorgW said:If I recall correctly Green Lantern just barely broke even, but I'm not really invested in the topic.OutrageousEmu said:If that were true, then the first movie would be the most successful, followed by a sharp decline in ticket sales. This is quite the opposite - each Transformeers movie made about 300 million more than the last. Besides, by that logic, no geek property would ever lose money, ever. How'd Green Lantern do?GeorgW said:But that first movie was decades ago. Now all the child fans are old and have enough money to go to the theaters. You think parents spoiled their kids back then like they do now, those kids had to beg to go to that movie? Plus more people are into "geek" culture, I know I wouldn't have been all that comfortable going out to watch a Transformers movie in 1986 (provided I'd been born then)... Things have changed since then.OutrageousEmu said:....because he made a lot of money. Like you just said.GeorgW said:I thought he specifically stated many times that he didn't want to make any more transformers movies?
I can get that you want to make a new Transformers movies, they made a lot of money. But why rehire the guy that pretty much every critic and fan hated?
Do me a favour. Find the amount of money that the first animated Transformers movie made. The one that critics at the time either ignored or hated, but the young fans who are older now loved. Okay, you won't - it mad $5.9 million, meaning it actually was a bomb and failed to make back its budget. Now get me the numbers for the ones Bay made, the one critics hated but the young fans adored. Okay, I'll do it for you - together, they made over 2 and a half billion dollars. 450 times the amount of money the supposedly "superior" one made.
The Transformers name sold the tickets, not the director. Why not just keep making Transformers movies, but make them good?
Maybe you have a point, but I still don't see why Michael Bay is necessary. So people like action movies, no surprise there, however there are plenty of great action directors. I don't think Michael Bay did anything that another director could have done just as well or better with the first 3 movies.
You keep looking at this as if the movies made money despite Bay. You need to acknowledge they made money because of Bay.