Russian Invasion

[Korolev]

Russia couldn't invade the US now, because it's Blue-Water Navy has been left to rust to junk. They have, what, one or two air-craft carriers, and they are OLD. Russia's new tanks and airplanes are pretty gosh-darn decent - not as good as the M1A2 and the F-22 Raptor or even the F-35 Lightning, but good enough to put up a decent fight.

But even if you have the largest land army in the world, you can't invade the US if you can't cross an Ocean. Russia's Navy is not large enough to transport a force sizeable enough to invade the US. Hell, they don't even have a big enough navy to transport the fuel and ammo needed to sustain an invasion. The only way Russia would ever be able to invade the US, is if they made an alliance with Mexico and spent years transporting troops and fuel and equipment into Mexico in preparation for a US invasion - and if they did that it would be so blindingly obvious that the Russians were planning an Invasion, that the US would do something to stop it. Also, even if they did spend years building up an invasion force, their supply lines would be quickly cut off once war commenced, and the Russian Invasion force would shut down quickly.

China can't invade the US either - and it doesn't want to. Neither does Russia for that instance. They are much more worried about the US invading them or their allies. Russia have invested heavily in anti-ship missiles, which can do some pretty nasty things. The Chinese have converted some of their older Nuclear ICBM missiles into conventional anti-ship missiles - these missiles are designed specifically to be carrier killers - to launch into space and come straight down with a ton of force on a US carrier.

Russia and China know they can't invade the US. If you read military magazines, generals from Russia and China are fully aware that their military technology lags far behind the US and that they are playing catch-up. They have no plans to invade any time soon, and their recent military purchases are all about bolstering their defensive capabilities, not their offensive capabilities. China is very interested in protecting its mineral and gas interests in the South-China Sea and have made improvements to their Navy to reflect that - they want to keep the US out, not invade the US.

 

[Kathinka]

obviously not today. the massive zergling hordes of the u.s. armed forces vastly outnumber the militaries of pretty much any other nation in material and men.

however, among historians there is pretty much a concensus that up until a certain point in the later 80s, the soviet union would have, had they decided to launch a full scale military operation in europe, come thundering through the fulda gap and there wasn't a whole lot the nato could have done to stop them. the two options that would have been left were surrender or the use of nuclear weaponry.

so, in short: today, no way. back in the cold war the red army would have gone over the u.s. forces like a lawnmower.

 

[General Vengeance]

Does it matter? If these two super powers ever went to war, the entire world would be wiped out. Mankind would face extinction due to the salvo of nuclear warfare.

I think the biggest threat to the USA could probably be an terrorist EMP attack. That could mess up your whole century.

 

[enzilewulf]

No. After the Vietnam war we had a standard weapon system that had actually been more perfected then them. The M-16 is a proficient weapon. When it was introduced it was shit. Eventually though it was perfected and is a better weapon system than the Ak. Our standard ground forces would have been superior.

 

[albinoterrorist]

I,m not saying N Korea is strong but from what I read they do brag about their military power.

That still doesn't mean they're in ANY position to use it. Look at this:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp

79 serviceable airports. 0 aircraft carriers. Barely more than 1,500 aircraft.

They would have no hope of even beginning to challenge air superiority, and we've already seen from the first Gulf War how devastating that can be.

 

[RA92]

Why would anyone want to invade America? All it has is corn and shitty TV.

 

[TheBelgianGuy]

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I find it worrying that you use "Muslims" and "terrorists" as interchangeable words.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Russia wouldn't invade the USA directly, they'd more likely advance through us (Canada o.o). In anycase, I think it would be much more likely that if WW III had erupted, it would have been in the Middle East or in Germany. Control over the Pacific would have to be contested before an invasion attempt that way and in the Atlantic is the bulk of NATO's assets.

 

[Khanht Cope]

Considering the number of (undoubtedly state-sanctioned) cyber attacks Russia and China are suspected of in the last few years; there's little doubt they would like to probe for intelligence to see how well some approaches might hold up or for designs they can copy.

Mordern warfare wouldn't be a simple case of one nation invading another. As Therumancer detailed; full-scale war strategy will be global and sophisticated. It will almost certainly be a case of one consortium of nations (and social affiliations) warring with another and would (at least in this century) be much more politically, diplomatically and economically based.

Al Qaeda set this tone, having done substancial damage to America's economic standing with limited resources and manpower by drawing it into protracted conflicts and having it expend its finances on strigently policing and surveying its own populace.

When you also consider how de-industrialised and import-based western countries have become; hostile powers expanding their international influences and alliances and ultimately arranging resource embargoes would be chaotic for the west.

The most sensible course for the likes of China though would be to just continue to focus on economics; growing and seeking to aggravate the decline of the west so they can step in to fill the void and build a better army.

 

[Vankraken]

Invading the US would be a logistical nightmare as your having to protect supply lines across thousands of nautical miles and having to then establish supply lines throughout the mainland US (assuming they made any progress into the interior). Also given the strenght of the US navy and airforce it would be incredibly difficult to successfully maintain the continuous supply of troops and supplies needed to support any sort of beach head.

Logistics is the single most important thing for any military operation and without a closer base of operations and safe supply lines it just wouldn't be viable for a conventional ground force invasion. Never mind the cluster fuck of trying to fight a war on the mainland of the US while also having to deal with NATO forces in Europe as well as any forces attacking from the pacific side of the country (not a lot out there but still area that needs coverage). Again one huge logistical nightmare.

 

[Mau95]

the ENTIRE east bloc still has a shitty economy.
I thnik it,s more likely that N Korea attack then Russia.

Get back to me when you finish your paper on the awesome might of the North Korean navy.

OT:

The Soviet Navy did not possess sufficient strength to destroy the US Navy, nor to protect supply lanes over the atlantic or pacific to the expeditionary force.

They did have some interesting stuff like the ground effect vehicles

but without protection from air and naval forces these would have been insufficient.

I can't actually think of a force on the planet that would be able to make an invasion of the US without military access through most of South- and Central America, which is not something the US would allow.

TL;DR:
No.

What about, you know, South- and Central-America?

 

[Andothul]

There is only one way to invade the US successfully and thats to do what the North Koreans do in Homefront, EMP the entire country.

We wouldnt be able to get communications back up in time to mount a coordinated defense against an invader. Not to mention the sheer anarchy that would follow an EMP it would utter chaos.
Millions of people would die from exposure, starvation, dehydration, and lack of basic medical needs.

Just think of the city of Las Vegas without any electricity. A city in the middle of the desert that gets all its supplies from elsewhere and the closet water source is 30 miles away.

All China or Russia needs to do is launch a massive EMP attack and they could pretty much just walk in.

 

[mikey7339]

I forget which comedian said this; if Russia invaded America, the only things left at the invasion site by the time the US military showed up would be empty beer cans and shotgun shells. As soon as word got out, every hill-jack in the country would be on top of it.

 

[Torrasque]

No.

The US are members of NATO.

SAS (or Techno Ninja Squad) will go and kick some arse.

The US has SFOD-D(Delta Force) and DEVGRU(SEAL Team 6). These guys can kick all the ass we need them to do. Introducing the SAS would be overkill.

Overkill is the best kind of kill

I love that saying ^_^

OP: No. No single government organization would be able to stage a successful invasion. I assume by "successful invasion" you mean "take over the country" or "destroy the government" ? Because a successful invasion would just be taking one city and getting a foothold to stage the rest of the conflict. Sure that would still be hard, but not as hard as taking over the whole country.
The US is just way too damned big, with too many people. Besides, the only resources the US has is land to use for farming, so an invasion would be pointless. An invasion that destroyed the government and took over the country would be more realistic and effective.

 

[KhaineII]

Russia invading the US, or the US invading Russia is impossible.

The nuclear destruction that would follow an attempt from either end would make it so.

 

[legend of duty]

I doubt it as such a war would be far too costly for the invader.

 

[Therumancer]

So in short... no, I couldn't see it happening. You'd really have to mess up, the US would literally have to go so left-wing crazy that we refused to acknowlege a military force rolling in without resistance.

That's not "left-wing", that's "stupid-wing". I don't know what they teach you but even leftist parties acknowledge national sovereignty and would take offense to a foreign military force rolling in.

No, that's the American left wing, and "stupid wing" pretty much summarizes my thoughts. As well intentioned as it might be, remember we are the country where we have moral issues with controlling our borders or kicking out illegal immigrants, and our kids aren't even guaranteed to be able to wear the flag of their own country in school when certain foreign holidays come around.

Almost guaranteed there is enough anti-US sentiment from within the US coming from our left wing that if another country rolled up a combined armed force of a million dudes and demanded entry into the US plenty of people would support it because either we deserve it, or OMG, stopping them might start a war. Indeed as they rolled the tanks into Washington to inspect the govermental archives for violations we'd have people on these very forums saying it was a good idea...

I wish I could say that's entirely sarcastic, but really, sadly, it's pretty accurate. Saying that a lot of people in the US would support that is annoying to hear, and denied, but that's because it hasn't happened yet. I mean when US citizens won't even defend the right to display their own flag in their own country, and find the idea of kicking illegals out of our country anathema, it's a bad thing... right now the numbers are pretty polarized so it actually wouldn't go through, but we're kind of on that path.

 

[Marcus Kehoe]

When we can taunt about Russia invading us in everything it not worry about offending Russia its likely were fine, same for North Korea. China is the one were afraid of, Nobody even allowed to make a game with us directly against china, the remake of Red-Dawn tired to do it and they were forced to change the enemy to north Korea.Russia is broke and is selling their military while China is rich had the biggest population and is buying most of Russia weapons.

 

[TheRussian]

The Russian Federation does not have the money to invade anything right now.

 

[ElPatron]

I think it,s more likely that N Korea attack then Russia.

UAHAHAHAHHAHA

How does N. Korea have more military strength than Russia?

Besides, I don't know if you understand the concept of having S. Korea and Japan ready to whoop some ass. The Japan Self-Defense Force only needs the U.S. to revoke their limitations and N. Korea will suffer huge losses before they leave the shores.





Also, at everyone else in this thread that is "AWWW MY GAWWWD SPECIAL FORCES" remember that they are not supposed to fight at the front lines. Only regular regiments will stand ground in event of a war breaking off.

To think of an example everyone can understand: It was the 75th Rangers fighting the Russian VDV paratroopers in MW2, not the SAS, Delta Force or Navy SEALs.