RWBY review: Mountain Glenn(Spoilers)

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Hello and Welcome to another RWBY review where WE HAVE FINALLY GONE 1080p. With the new player enabling me to see all the little animation hiccups as they happen, lets review Mountain Glenn [http://roosterteeth.com/archive/?id=9796]

So we start with Ironwood looking out in the distance and Glenda coming up to talk about what's wrong. Ironwood is starting to feel uneasy at how Ozpin is talking the situation relatively passive. Glenda reminds him that Ozpin has more experience and that they should trust him. Glenda also states that she finds it admirable that he works for the people's benefit even against protest. So Ironwood is one of those harsh but fair leaders; kind of expected it from a man who brings an airforce to an academy. This actually seems to be setting up something; don't know what it is but it's decent foreshadowng for the time being. In addition, aside from clipping of hands and clothes, the animation actually is good. Faces are fairly emotive and people move reasonably well. This seems to be a step up from the normal mess but that might be the new player.

Back to team RWBY, Yang Blake and Weiss decide to talk about why Oobleck asked them about becoming a huntress. We actually get some interesting bits of information. Starting with Weiss, it turns out she is aware of the moral gray area the company operates under and wishes to change it in a way that a job in Atlas would not be able to do. Blake starts talking about Adam, and how his ideals were too extreme for her. Blake decided to join because of the nobility and honor hunters have but she doesn't know how to undo the hate her kind has gone through. She also states that she feels like a coward because she ran from her partner being a monster and ran when the team found out about her fanuis identity. Yang says that she has gone with the flow and doesn't know how long she can do that for. She wanted to be a hunter because of the adventure and feels that Ruby is not like her since she had the goal of being a hero since childhood. In the end, they realize that their romanticized ideals of being a hunter were present but now they ultimately have a job to protect the people; Oobleck smiles as he hears this.

I only got one thing to say: WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH MILES AND KERRY. Seriously, this is actually good character development that pays off what happened in the last episode. It gives us the main motivations of what they wanted to become and ultimately talked them through to the duty of being a hunter.

After that dose of charcter development, Zwei the dog runs off while Ruby is sleeping and she goes off to find him. She heads out and by sheer luck comes across a white fang patrol. Ruby follows them and after a few set pieces of high speed cover transitions and fumbling with a weapon, she finds the hideout and tries calling the rest of the team but the signal is bad. She heads back to get them but steps onto weak ground and falls through a hole into an underground city. She gets knocked out and captured.

The team finds out that Ruby is missing and go out to find her. Meanwhile, Ruby wakes up and sees that the operation full of mechs and what appear to be bombs. The team finds the hole that Ruby fell through and Oobleck starts rambling. He explains that during the expansion attempt, when the city began to fail, the people decided to head underground into a cave system built to house a metro for transporting people between the outskirts and Vale and created a city. However, an explosion exposed the cave to a cavern of grimm, forcing Vale to seal the tunnels of the metro. As the show ends, Oobleck pulls out his weapon, a weird staff that extends from his bottle, and has the team ready up to head down.

Well, I can guess the plan now: have the mechs clear the tunnels, use the decommissioned metro to smuggle bombs under the city and detonate them to cripple infrastructure and cause chaos. Not sure what this had to do with the communication tower but this actually is a good plan that would completely cause confusion.

The main theme of this episode is WHERE ARE THE REAL MILES AND KERRY. The little character development scene we had was probably the best writing we had all season and we get a real sense of what these characters are like. The animation still has way too much clipping but is polished otherwise and this was generally a good episode.

Two in a row, lets go for three
 

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It's actually surprising.

I still feel the sting of older episodes, and older arcs, but this episode was actually good.
The episode just took its time dealing with some character development rather than having things get sped along.

Hopefully they're starting to figure out that nothing is wrong with slowing things down for the sake of character development. At worst it's just a fluke and we'll end up back where we started next volume.

As it is, kudos to M&K for actually doing a decent episode.
Let's hope they don't fuck it up.
 

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LawAndChaos said:
It's actually surprising.

I still feel the sting of older episodes, and older arcs, but this episode was actually good.
The episode just took its time dealing with some character development rather than having things get sped along.

Hopefully they're starting to figure out that nothing is wrong with slowing things down for the sake of character development. At worst it's just a fluke and we'll end up back where we started next volume.

As it is, kudos to M&K for actually doing a decent episode.
Let's hope they don't fuck it up.
Even if they don't screw things up, the past season and episodes are enough to push people away and i'm not sure that this will be enough
 

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I'm just disappointed how many things they've dropped that have been established in the past for the sake of the plot. Like Ruby being able to take multiple hits to the face from Grimm, get knocked across the screen, cleave through Grimm and metal without using her Dust expulsions of her Scythe, and fall down a seemingly bottomless pit (without being able to use her Speedforce semblance for some reason but that's another thing), all without noticeable damage.

All this, but she can't hit a mook to do more damage than enough to elicit a mild grunt, and gets knocked out from two hits from said mook. Not to mention how completely moronic she is. This is the second time she went off on her own without telling anyone anything, and this is worse, since they're in the middle of the damn wasteland with the WF base somewhere around them. Clearly she doesn't learn from her mistakes, or Ozprin and the other adults commending her on going off alone against Cinder has gone to her head and that's all she's gonna be doing from now on, what great leadership qualities! (Also, fuck off with the t-pose shenanigans, it's not funny, it's cringeworthy)

I did enjoy the character development the last two episodes, even if it feels cliche, but at least they're doing character cliches instead of background cliches and "OH LOOK AT THESE EXPLOSIONS AND PRETTYILY COLORED NEW CHARACTERS YOU'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN" tactics.

My biggest complaints however are the same as they have been since the start of the series, their sound/voice acting is subpar(which is horrible for me because there's so much potential in it), and they're woefully inconsistent in terms of how long the episodes are, sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes 25(with pacing being just as horrid). Also, what's so hard about just going with gender-neutral Hunters every once in a while? Huntresses was basically every third word this episode, and none of the voice actors have good enough annunciation to say it without slurring their lines.
 

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Descent enough episode, but there are still a few things that bug me.

1. Ruby should have contacted her teammates immediately after she spotted the White Fang patrol and told them to catch up with her as she followed instead of waiting till she found the entrance to their hideout.

2. How is it that Ruby can take down a thug no problem in the first episode of Volume and yet she can't even deliver a punch to a White Fang cultist? I mean, yeah, Penny took them down easily but she's an android. Sun had no problem with them either when he faced them and as far as I know Faunists are not much stronger than humans. You're seriously telling me that Ruby trained all those years to perfect her skills with Crescent Rose but never bothered with hand-to-hand combat?! WTF?! Inconsistency here M&K!

3. Ruby should never have used the dog to see if the coast was clear or walked out into the middle of the street when she saw her communicator had no signal. That's plain stupidity right there. You can't tell me the White Fang didn't have a lookout or two operating high above on top of a building. Even if he didn't spot her the dog bark would have given her away and the lookout would have sounded the alert and sent men after her. Or, in the worse case, if a sniper was nearby he would have immediately taken Ruby out before she even had the chance to contact her teammates. Luckily she fell into that hole but that still doesn't change the fact that this series had NO FUCKING COMMON SENSE WHATSOEVER!

BASIC. FUCKING. FUNDAMENTAL. LOGIC! I don't think ANY of that has been put into this series!

Anyway, I liked the scene where Weiss, Blake, and Yang are talking over their reasons for becoming huntresses. I'm not going to lie, the reasons they gave while I was watching this episode made me say, "Then go boldly. Enlist in Starfleet!" I kid you not :). M&K's writing here in this scene and the one before in the last episode is the kind writing of the last eight episodes and Volume 1 should have had but didn't get thanks to Monty's uncaring directionless attitude.

Overall, a decent episode that makes the last two upcoming episodes look promising. We can only hope this change of momentum carries on into Volume Three, but as I said before I wouldn't get my hopes. Personally I hope they don't suddenly put another World of Remnant between this and the next episode, because not only will that destroy whatever momentum this show has going now, but that would piss me the hell off.
 

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It's funny, I don't like this show yet I watch it. I think I am more interested in it than anything, what with it being a "western" anime and such. Still, it doesn't seem to be living up to my expectations. The animation and voice acting is positively cringe inducing.
 

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DirectorK said:
Personally I hope they don't suddenly put another World of Remnant between this and the next episode, because not only will that destroy whatever momentum this show has going now, but that would piss me the hell off.
Prepare to be disappointed, then: World of Remnant dates were confirmed a while back, and there are two left: one after the season finale, and one after episode 10. Which means two weeks until things pick up again.

Aside from that, liked the episode. There was genuine character development, the dog has been substantially less annoying than I was expecting it to be (it hasn't taken focus away from the plot aside from its introductory episode, and it actually did something positive for the plot this episode, even if it was the cliche "oh no Ruby fell down the well" song and dance), and Oobleck continued to be a believable source of in-episode exposition (it does still help matters that he talks so fast), but with a (not just one-dimensional) personality. Good stuff.

(As for why Ruby got knocked out so easily by the henchmen: she's a 15-year girl, and she's unarmed - relevant, since she relies on her weapon pretty heavily in all of the fights she's been in - and facing down two goons that are both bigger and stronger than she is. Her aura should have let her take the hits for a while, but it wouldn't make her strong enough to take them down - she just would have gotten beaten up on longer. The quick knockout allows for the dramatic cut/reveal, but it also saves the audience from having to watch two grown men beat up a teenage girl for a minute or so, which doesn't add anything to the story and would really just serve to make a lot of people uncomfortable. The lack of semblance usage is more questionable, but that that was the only massive plot hole in the episode - charging ahead without backup is absolutely in character for Ruby, and now that it's finally come back to bite her, maybe she'll learn better - is a positive. Sets the bar high for the last two episodes...in two weeks. *sigh*)
 

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AliasBot said:
Prepare to be disappointed, then: World of Remnant dates were confirmed a while back, and there are two left: one after the season finale, and one after episode 10. Which means two weeks until things pick up again.
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Oh, well. At least we should be grateful they're not recap episodes like every other anime needs to do, although I can't shake the feeling that sooner or later Monty's going to do just that. If there's one thing I hate the most about anime it's recap episodes. Seriously, whoever came up with the idea of recap episodes ought to be shot. A really fucking dumb idea and a fucking waste of time and money.
 

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Izanagi009 said:
I only got one thing to say: WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH MILES AND KERRY. Seriously, this is actually good character development that pays off what happened in the last episode. It gives us the main motivations of what they wanted to become and ultimately talked them through to the duty of being a hunter.
I don't think it's a matter of Miles and Kerry being bad writers, I think its more to do with them being forced to write in tropes that don't really work.

If you watched Season 11 & 12 of Red vs Blue, you can see that Miles is a great writer. Sure there's hick-ups here and there, but for the most part, Red vs Blue has been as good as its always been. Burnie himself has constantly said how Miles is the only one to get any of the characters right.

But does that mean he's automatically great at writing an Anime?

The answer? Not so much. I've said this before, and I'll say it again, RWBY is very much Anime Tropes: the Anime. It's a collection of popular, though not necessarily good, cliches and character archetypes, been thrown into one big pot, with the expectation that it'll be the best anime ever, but fails horribly.

It's like if someone who's never a seen a horror film before, was asked to write the next Exorcist or something, and comes with the idea of "I know. ZOMBIES, they're popular! But we want this to appeal to as many people as we can, so we're not going to see anyone getting eaten by the Zombies. Instead we're just going to watch them shuffle around, and then watched them all get slaughtered with over-the-top instant kill attacks."

Kind of defeats the point when modern day anime, which is supposed to appeal to the hearts, or wallets, of teenagers and adult fans, doesn't it?

In short, Monty does love anime, but he's asking Miles and Kerry to write things that may seem like a good idea, but work actually work unless he let them write what's actually good, and not what's an anime suppose to be
 

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Great episode in terms of character development and plot movement, and I'm really looking forward to how each's person's reflections gained between this week's tale and last will influence individual perspective and growth in future episodes. Other than that, theres not much else I can add to this conversation that hasn't been expressed more eloquently by previous posters. Glad to see they're starting to work with what they got instead of throwing more junk into the mixing pot.
 

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Today episode was decent, sure it was still good that we get more development from the girls and more lore, I was just expecting more.

Also did the professor flask turn into a staff like weapon? I didn't expect him to have a weapon despite he claim to be more of an passive/ wisdom sort of hunter.
 

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Also did the professor flask turn into a staff like weapon? I didn't expect him to have a weapon despite he claim to be more of an passive/ wisdom sort of hunter.
He fights with a scalding hot coffee club.

And honestly, now that I really think about it, this is them "starting fresh." I mean, when you really get down to it, volume 1 might as well have never happened; Weiss' pseudo-racist stance is gone, along with her disingenous apology (and she never really apologized), while Yang, who took a back-seat to almost everything in volume 1 is now more active in the communication between her friends and such. Ruby who seemed to be reasonably competent, ableit overconfident, got worfed hard. Keep in mind IN SEASON 1 she kicked a goon out a window before even drawing her scythe.

Now, the thing is, maybe because they're Faunus goons they're stronger than human goons, but since they ALL HAVE THE SAME BODY TYPE you can't really see the difference in one mook's strength from another. This is likely a limitation of their tech, but I feel it's something worth bringing up. And even then, Ruby has been long established to be battle smart over being team smart or scout smart. So why not use her semblance for combat momentum and dropkick their sorry asses?

I feel there's still kinks for them to work out, because trying to grow your beard after spending a whole season plucking haphazardly at random hairs tends to make it grow out uneven.
 

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LawAndChaos said:
I feel there's still kinks for them to work out, because trying to grow your beard after spending a whole season plucking haphazardly at random hairs tends to make it grow out uneven.
That is an absolutely perfect analogy.

I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised. I seriously considered quitting the show after ep 8, but it finally (finally) seems to be hitting a stride of some sort. Granted, it could still stride right off a cliff, but let's give it a chance, eh?