S&P has downgraded U.S.A credit rating from AAA to AA+

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Kryzantine

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CosmicCommander said:
Kryzantine said:
If the Democrats had their way and this happened, the Republicans would have fucking creamed them once this news broke out.
What, like how the Democrats like the OP are creaming the Repubs?
You do realize that if the Republicans had backed off on the Democrats, the Dem's deal gets done early, the country's credit rating goes down like this anyway, that gives them the assault rifle and ammunition they need to blame the Democrats for killing the country?

Although your whole post WAS laced with sarcasm, so I'm assuming you're not taking this as seriously as mere text would indicate.

Doesn't matter, this thread is turning into R&P anyway, and I don't want to touch that bullshit.
 

Atmos Duality

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And don't get started on the "OH TAX THE RICH DAMN THEY LIVE BETTER THAN US BECAUSE THEY OWE US FOR THE FACT THEY EXIST"- let's remember the stupidity of wiping assets away from people who are the ones who create employment and wealth- and let's observe the stupidity of the taxmen and regulators on making businesses hesitant to set up in the states.
Under the current trade regulation and political regime, it's a problem with no solution.

The same rich people who we keep debating about already have deep roots in Congress and Politics. And any of them who shipped jobs out overseas isn't going to lobby for the market control needed to keep more of our workforce from disappearing.

If you were one of the captains of industry, why re-invest in America when you can take your huge pile of money and ship out to somewhere where there is guaranteed growth?

Either we scare off investors and entrepreneurs with higher taxes, and lose, or we leave taxes where they are, bankrupt our government, and scare them off with a dying/dead economy, AND STILL LOSE.

What's really silly?
The United States still has the scientific corpus and the industrial potential to not only bring its infrastructure into the future (efficient mass-transit trains, standardized fiber internet, a strong steel industry using our large iron resources, and two new systems that convert waste into crude oil. And that's just starting out.) but to reinvent its domestic industry entirely.

We could accomplish that...but it probably won't happen in my lifetime, if ever.
Why? I dunno anymore. Our government is simply absurd at this point.
 

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we should just go to war with china, that way we dont owe them any money
 

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There is no one in this country with a leadership position that can do what needs to be done. George Carlin said it best when he said "Power does what it wants" and you see its handiwork as the US politicians are now nothing but a farce to be laughed at. Hell, you could argue that they've been a farce to be laughed at for over 50 years.
 

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CosmicCommander said:
Zantos said:
How many trillions of dollars does the American national debt come to? I doubt anyone else could get so far in and remain a country.
Have it in Real Time! [http://www.usdebtclock.org/]
Goddamn, that's depressing.
 

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Thank you tea party! You always know what's best for the American people. The CEO's hoarding billions should be completely untouched while the price of living continues to soar for the rest of America. And thank you inept monkeys of the American government for completely failing to provide an even remotely efficient plan to fix our growing debt. Oh well, we should just blame Obama.
HAHAHA you think it's the tea party's fault for holding freaking rallies? Do I even need to point out that a central theme of those rallies was often financial responsibility?

Sorry, but the problem wasn't the greedy billionaires, it was the greedy politicians who seriously believed that they could spend a nation's wealth beyond its means, and when confronted with limits to the debt they accrued, whined and cried for the limit to be raised, falsely proclaiming doomsday would be upon us if we didn't. I could have sworn I said this before, but how exactly does accumulating more debt solve the problem of too much debt?

Do the libs in the Escapist have any more genius ideas for preventing S&P from lowering our credit rating again? You know, aside from "Spend more"? And, no, raising taxes on the rich doesn't count because the Democrats and RINOs will just throw that money away the instant they get it. It'll also cause the rich to find new and inventive ways of hiding their money so that their wealth isn't confiscated. I can't blame them, given what a poor investment government spending is. If I was rich and found out that thousands of my dollars were going to a loan for a massage parlour courtesy of stimulus funds I'd be furious.
 

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CosmicCommander said:
Zantos said:
How many trillions of dollars does the American national debt come to? I doubt anyone else could get so far in and remain a country.
Have it in Real Time! [http://www.usdebtclock.org/]
To tell you how much it is every time I tried to view it my internet would crash (granted I'm on my phone but still.)
 

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while not directly related what i never got is why you Americans only allow yourselves to have opinions in blocks? you can either support the Republicans or the Democrats in all their ideas or pick one that is very important to you and stick with that. Where is the choice to want low taxes and keep weird religious ideas out of schools?
also why does your country suck so much at collecting and spending taxes?
 

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Honestly I'm kind of stoked because maybe they will actually do something on Capitol Hill to fix a problem. Don't just blame the Tea Party blame every single inept party on Capitol Hill. However, I do believe that the Tea Party is demonized by the media.
 

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All I know is this:

At the end of Clition's term we had some extra cash in the bank.
The Bush morons come along, give money to all their buddies at the annual 'We, We Rich, Eat Our $&!#'.

Corporations are given the same rights as people.
The US Constitution is treated as toilet paper more often than the koran in Gitmo.

&...to top it all off...

Obama says 'seems legit' and continues with the previous administrators BS.

I guess Obama didn't realize folks were voting for more than just a color CHANGE...he sure full them, didn't he.
 

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teebeeohh said:
while not directly related what i never got is why you Americans only allow yourselves to have opinions in blocks? you can either support the Republicans or the Democrats in all their ideas or pick one that is very important to you and stick with that. Where is the choice to want low taxes and keep weird religious ideas out of schools?
also why does your country suck so much at collecting and spending taxes?
our country kind of naturally became a 2 party system it wasnt setup this way, it just happened because there wasnt anything stopping it from happening, really it comes down to one more liberal party and one conservative, the conservative party aka republicans (originally they were the liberal party but once the dems decided to back civil rights they went right wing) is currently getting allot of pressure from a group called the tea party which is really super conservative and doesnt want any taxes at all so the republican stand point is no taxes but they dont seem to realize that doing things costs money
 

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Worgen said:
we should just go to war with china, that way we dont owe them any money
Indeed, if ya gonna go, then at least go with a bang :)

But seriously now, how is such a debt even possible? Who even has this kind of money? Do they create them out of thin air or what? I can't help thinking about the system described in the Zeitgeist movies. At first I thought they were joking (like that crap on Co2 global warming), but it seems more serious then they made it seem. I don't see how he USA could ever pay such a debt. Now I'm an anti-banking person, never borrowed money or even loaned to the bank. I just use banks for transactions and use discount deposits to escape the withdraw fee. For me banks are the devil and it seems that the US has just bought a place in hell.
 

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It's bad, but not too bad. AA+ is still pretty good, and only Standard and Poor's downgraded. Moody and Fitch look to keep the AAA rating.

It will shake the market up, it might even push the US back into recession (which wouldn't be good for anyone), but it's not all doom-and-gloom. Besides, the US can regain the AAA rating if it works hard enough to regain it.

The US does have to cut spending and raise taxes. Much of this deficit has come about BECAUSE they cut taxes for corporations, without cutting spending as well. So they now have to do the reverse if they want to get out of deficit quickly - cut spending AND raise taxes, or hell, just close a few loop-holes! What's wrong with closing loop-holes?

Taxes in the US are very low and they cold be raised a little bit more. It's fallacy to assume that just because taxes are raised a bit, suddenly all the wealthy people will go "John Galt" on us and vanish - they'll just work harder to make more money to negate the effects of the Tax.

It was conservatives who wanted a war with Iraq over WMDs that didn't exist. It was the conservatives who pushed for more and more and more and more and more and more defence spending, crying out that the Democrats were "Yella-bellies" because they cut the massively unneeded F-22 raptor jet. It was the Conservatives who originally pushed for the bail out under G.W Bush in 07-08.

Then again, the Democrats have also done almost nothing to really stop spending or deal with this problem - instead they've just pushed it back and back and back, until the deadline has drawn nearer and nearer. They could have had talks about the debt ceiling and the debt problems in 08 or 09, when they controlled both the House and the Senate and when they could have done something about it. Instead they didn't. They twiddled their thumbs and decided that the problems would magically vanish because Obama got into power. They are just as much to blame.

Ultimately though, you can blame EVERYONE, not just Americans. Everyone in the developed countries demanded more government spending, yet shrieked and shrieked and shrieked whenever the prospect of even SLIGHTLY higher taxes (which they could easily afford) were raised. You all want the government to provide Medicare, yet you don't want to pay for it. You want your governments to wage wars and buy newer, shinier weapons, yet you don't want to pay for it.

Taxes are going to have to go up and spending has to either stay still or, better yet, go down. Then you can pay off your debt. If the taxes on the very wealthiest of Americans was raised EVEN SLIGHTLY that would go a long way to easing the debt problems - and they can afford it! They can! Oh so maybe if taxes are raised, they'll only be able to buy 1 ferrari a year instead of two! Boo hoo!

The wealthy benefit from State spending as well - they benefit from the state-funded police, they benefit from the US military buying the weapons they make, they benefit from the infrastructure that the US government builds, but they don't want to pay a cent to maintain it! They benefit just as much as anyone else from US government spending, yet they hate their own government with a passion I can't even describe, as well as their own fellow country men and women. They're plutocrats now.

But let's all calm down - AA+ is still good. The world economy has diversified a bit, so it's not so dependent on the USA. Will this result in another crisis? Maybe, maybe not. But things can get better, and remember, there's more than one rating agency than S&P.
 

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Worgen said:
teebeeohh said:
while not directly related what i never got is why you Americans only allow yourselves to have opinions in blocks? you can either support the Republicans or the Democrats in all their ideas or pick one that is very important to you and stick with that. Where is the choice to want low taxes and keep weird religious ideas out of schools?
also why does your country suck so much at collecting and spending taxes?
our country kind of naturally became a 2 party system it wasnt setup this way, it just happened because there wasnt anything stopping it from happening, really it comes down to one more liberal party and one conservative, the conservative party aka republicans (originally they were the liberal party but once the dems decided to back civil rights they went right wing) is currently getting allot of pressure from a group called the tea party which is really super conservative and doesnt want any taxes at all so the republican stand point is no taxes but they dont seem to realize that doing things costs money
i knew that.
don't you think your whole system could need an overhaul? like for example instead the obscure system you have to elect the president just give the guy(or gal) who got the most votes the job.

and weirdly enough i recently ran into a classmate of mine, who is american, who thinks that in the long run the tea party may be something good despite the fact that he hates their super-conservative bullshit at least they may harold some change in the system.
 

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teebeeohh said:
Worgen said:
teebeeohh said:
while not directly related what i never got is why you Americans only allow yourselves to have opinions in blocks? you can either support the Republicans or the Democrats in all their ideas or pick one that is very important to you and stick with that. Where is the choice to want low taxes and keep weird religious ideas out of schools?
also why does your country suck so much at collecting and spending taxes?
our country kind of naturally became a 2 party system it wasnt setup this way, it just happened because there wasnt anything stopping it from happening, really it comes down to one more liberal party and one conservative, the conservative party aka republicans (originally they were the liberal party but once the dems decided to back civil rights they went right wing) is currently getting allot of pressure from a group called the tea party which is really super conservative and doesnt want any taxes at all so the republican stand point is no taxes but they dont seem to realize that doing things costs money
i knew that.
don't you think your whole system could need an overhaul? like for example instead the obscure system you have to elect the president just give the guy(or gal) who got the most votes the job.

and weirdly enough i recently ran into a classmate of mine, who is american, who thinks that in the long run the tea party may be something good despite the fact that he hates their super-conservative bullshit at least they may harold some change in the system.
I doubt the tea party will be a good thing, its too conservative and stupid, it only looks grass roots, really it was setup by a member of reagans cabinet, I cant remember the name but he has a pac and it was totally setup to look grass roots but really its just a political ploy to attack obama without calling him any racist names outloud
 

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That's it? I was expecting raising the debt ceiling to bring us down to an A or B or something. Come back when something that actually matters happens.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Hurray! Oh wait, that's a bad thing right? I know you Americans are in a bad debt crisis, but can you give me the laymans version?
Basiclly, the US passes a bill which it borrows another 400 Billion to pay for and changed nothing, the TEA party and the people they elected don't seem too concerned about it and fight the Democrats tooth and nail just for bring Democrats (in fact they actually suggested defaulting on our debt to teach the government a lesson, they are not the brightest people after all), even though Obama and his allies just fucking want to fix the problem, so a bill keeping things the same is passed. The Democrats themselves aren't unified too much and many have gone against Obama.