Saints Row: The Third to require online pass for co-op.

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Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Zachary Amaranth said:
Well, looks like that's the last I buy from them. But I could have told you they were doing this with some games last year.

Daystar Clarion said:
Gamers today are self entitled.
Yeah, how dare gamers want the right to a second-hand market? It's not like it has a right to exist....

OH WAIT, IT TOTALLY DOES.

Maybe you should look up "entitled," because the way you're using it, it applies more to the companies who are arguing they should get bonus money for used titles. They're not entitled to that. Sorry.
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
They did when the game sold for the first time. It's not like used copies spring from nothing, you know.
 

Helmholtz Watson

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........why...why? THQ I thought you were doing so well with your Saints Row promotions, and then you go and pull this off. smh
 

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...Not that I was planning on doing multiplayer here but what about LAN? Dammit, I was really looking forward to this one and still am. I'll probably still get it though too, especially since I decided against Arkham City for their bait-n-switch with Catwoman. Multiplayer was never a big thing with me anyway, especially for Saint's Row but still...Here's to hoping LAN will be an option, especially since split-screen never was one.
 
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CM156 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Zachary Amaranth said:
Well, looks like that's the last I buy from them. But I could have told you they were doing this with some games last year.

Daystar Clarion said:
Gamers today are self entitled.
Yeah, how dare gamers want the right to a second-hand market? It's not like it has a right to exist....

OH WAIT, IT TOTALLY DOES.

Maybe you should look up "entitled," because the way you're using it, it applies more to the companies who are arguing they should get bonus money for used titles. They're not entitled to that. Sorry.
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
They did when the game sold for the first time. It's not like used copies spring from nothing, you know.
Sometimes they do.

I swear I saw a copy of Skyrim appear right before my eyes.

[sub]Then I woke up...[/sub]
 

CM156_v1legacy

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Daystar Clarion said:
CM156 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Zachary Amaranth said:
Well, looks like that's the last I buy from them. But I could have told you they were doing this with some games last year.

Daystar Clarion said:
Gamers today are self entitled.
Yeah, how dare gamers want the right to a second-hand market? It's not like it has a right to exist....

OH WAIT, IT TOTALLY DOES.

Maybe you should look up "entitled," because the way you're using it, it applies more to the companies who are arguing they should get bonus money for used titles. They're not entitled to that. Sorry.
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
They did when the game sold for the first time. It's not like used copies spring from nothing, you know.
Sometimes they do.

I swear I saw a copy of Skyrim appear right before my eyes.

[sub]Then I woke up...[/sub]
Ok, I gotta be honest. That was pretty funny.

Ah well. As I said, this was never really a game I wanted. Still a bit saddening. I could understand this if there was a concern about the game selling well. But for an established IP like this?
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Zachary Amaranth said:
Well, looks like that's the last I buy from them. But I could have told you they were doing this with some games last year.

Daystar Clarion said:
Gamers today are self entitled.
Yeah, how dare gamers want the right to a second-hand market? It's not like it has a right to exist....

OH WAIT, IT TOTALLY DOES.

Maybe you should look up "entitled," because the way you're using it, it applies more to the companies who are arguing they should get bonus money for used titles. They're not entitled to that. Sorry.
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
Right, I'd agree with that, but consumerism is supposed to work like this: I make best product that people want, I get most money, not I make product that people want, then they have to pay extra because the profit didn't go entirely to me, so now we charge them to have the product they actually wanted.

If Publishers want my money, then they'll make two separate products, Online multiplayer, and On-Disk single player. Charge total of $60 both, then the game is cheaper new, and they will always get their money for someone who wants MP whether it's bought new or used, and if someone doesn't want SP at all, then they will still get paid.
 
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THEJORRRG said:
Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Zachary Amaranth said:
Well, looks like that's the last I buy from them. But I could have told you they were doing this with some games last year.

Daystar Clarion said:
Gamers today are self entitled.
Yeah, how dare gamers want the right to a second-hand market? It's not like it has a right to exist....

OH WAIT, IT TOTALLY DOES.

Maybe you should look up "entitled," because the way you're using it, it applies more to the companies who are arguing they should get bonus money for used titles. They're not entitled to that. Sorry.
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
Right, I'd agree with that, but consumerism is supposed to work like this: I make best product that people want, I get most money, not I make product that people want, then they have to pay extra because the profit didn't go entirely to me, so now we charge them to have the product they actually wanted.

If Publishers want my money, then they'll make two separate products, Online multiplayer, and On-Disk single player. Charge total of $60 both, then the game is cheaper new, and they will always get their money for someone who wants MP whether it's bought new or used, and if someone doesn't want SP at all, then they will still get paid.
That sounds like a better idea to me.

We should do that.

Someone get me a phone.
 

Kopikatsu

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THEJORRRG said:
Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Oh no, I have to pay the developers money to get access to all their product.

Whatever shall I do.

Woe is me.

*insert more sarcasm here*
Hey, if you want to promote anti-consumer policies, go for it.
How is it anti-consumer exactly?

I will buy the game new. Therefore I get the code, and the devs get my money.

Gamers today are self entitled.
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
If you buy it new, then you get multiplayer at no additional cost. See how this works?

Zachary Amaranth said:
Well, looks like that's the last I buy from them. But I could have told you they were doing this with some games last year.

Daystar Clarion said:
Gamers today are self entitled.
Yeah, how dare gamers want the right to a second-hand market? It's not like it has a right to exist....

OH WAIT, IT TOTALLY DOES.

Maybe you should look up "entitled," because the way you're using it, it applies more to the companies who are arguing they should get bonus money for used titles. They're not entitled to that. Sorry.
It'll still exist. Not every game has multiplayer, not everyone is interested in multiplayer, and no game's multiplayer servers stay up forever. If you're buying a 'cheap' game, chances are that you couldn't play the multiplayer anyway! Online pass or no.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Oh no, I have to pay the developers money to get access to all their product.

Whatever shall I do.

Woe is me.

*insert more sarcasm here*
Hey, if you want to promote anti-consumer policies, go for it.
How is it anti-consumer exactly?

I will buy the game new. Therefore I get the code, and the devs get my money.

Gamers today are self entitled.
But those of us who will buy the game used won't get access to the entirety of the game without paying more, and paying less is why we waited to play it anyway.
 

neonsword13-ops

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Eh, not surprised.

Most Triple A games I play now-a-days have an online code.

I can't wait until companies lock out the single player campaigns just to make a quick buck! That will be a joyous occasion!
 

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TK421 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Oh no, I have to pay the developers money to get access to all their product.

Whatever shall I do.

Woe is me.

*insert more sarcasm here*
Hey, if you want to promote anti-consumer policies, go for it.
How is it anti-consumer exactly?

I will buy the game new. Therefore I get the code, and the devs get my money.

Gamers today are self entitled.
But those of us who will buy the game used won't get access to the entirety of the game without paying more, and paying less is why we waited to play it anyway.
You get what you pay for.

In this case, you pay less, you get less content.
 

Something Amyss

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Daystar Clarion said:
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
they do get money for their games. They're not entitled to a double-dip into the second hand market.
 

Kopikatsu

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TK421 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
THEJORRRG said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Oh no, I have to pay the developers money to get access to all their product.

Whatever shall I do.

Woe is me.

*insert more sarcasm here*
Hey, if you want to promote anti-consumer policies, go for it.
How is it anti-consumer exactly?

I will buy the game new. Therefore I get the code, and the devs get my money.

Gamers today are self entitled.
But those of us who will buy the game used won't get access to the entirety of the game without paying more, and paying less is why we waited to play it anyway.
And now you have more of a reason to buy new. Which is the main point of online passes, they want you to buy new. The other part of it is recouping lost revenue from used sales, but everyone knows that part already.

Zachary Amaranth said:
Daystar Clarion said:
I don't agree that charging extra for coop on second hand copies is the best idea, but I also don't agree that devs should get no money for their games.
they do get money for their games. They're not entitled to a double-dip into the second hand market.
The overwhelming majority of gamers apparently don't agree with you, because online passes have so far been very successful, which is why more and more games keep getting them.
 

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neonsword13-ops said:
Eh, not surprised.

Most Triple A games I play now-a-days have an online code.

I can't wait until companies lock out the single player campaigns just to make a quick buck! That will be a joyous occasion!
Didn't Activision just do that with the new Spyro game? Not only did they make the game 2 times its own value, they also butchered what was once an enjoyable and nostalgic series.

OT: This is somewhat disappointing, I was gonna get this game when it was cheap seeing as it's practically half a game anyway, instead of spending time developing cool ideas they simply throw as many as they can in one game and end up with like 100 gimmicks. "OMGAWD I PUNCHED THAT GUY IN THE CROTCH LOLOL", yeah.. shit gets old quick. I'll pass.
 

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neonsword13-ops said:
Eh, not surprised.

Most Triple A games I play now-a-days have an online code.

I can't wait until companies lock out the single player campaigns just to make a quick buck! That will be a joyous occasion!
Your line of reasoning is a logical fallacy. It's called The Slippery Slope Fallacy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope]

Enjoy!
 

Azure-Supernova

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I'm buying it new, no problems.

THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Not if developers are selling it seperately...

Furioso said:
Right, but then in the future a guy sees this game selling used cheap and goes "Oh I heard this was good I'll get it!" and then he is smacked in the face with a hidden fee once he does get it
Not really a hidden fee, it's not like THQ have gone out of their way to keep this a secret.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
The overwhelming majority of gamers apparently don't agree with you, because online passes have so far been very successful, which is why more and more games keep getting them.
The majority of gamers don't buy games, so one, you're wrong.

Two, the success isn't as much as you hype it as, according to reports posted here on the Escapist.

Third, the fact that the "overwhelming majority" of gamers will (or rather, would, were it true) use online passes does not mean that they believe otherwise.

Half the people who call for boycotts are buying the games anyway, clearly indicating that even people who object are doing it.

Poor self control does not equal an agreement that the game companies are entitled. Sorry. Flawed logic. Based on a veritable house of cards, no less.
 

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This seems fair. Game servers aren't free, you know. Don't companies have a right to ensure that someone who hasn't paid them for the game isn't wasting their money? It'd be an outrage if second owners were locked out from a game's content completely, but as it stands we're just talking about the multiplayer here.
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
I'm buying it new, no problems.

THEJORRRG said:
Oh so I'm not entitled to multiplayer on a game I've bought? Buying it used is a punishable offence, is it?
Not if developers are selling it seperately...

Furioso said:
Right, but then in the future a guy sees this game selling used cheap and goes "Oh I heard this was good I'll get it!" and then he is smacked in the face with a hidden fee once he does get it
Not really a hidden fee, it's not like THQ have gone out of their way to keep this a secret.
I meant that some time in the near future no one is going to know it has a co-op code, and I guarantee it wont be on the box
 

Something Amyss

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Azure-Supernova said:
Not really a hidden fee, it's not like THQ have gone out of their way to keep this a secret.
This is an advertised major feature of the game that does not mention an online pass anywhere. This if the first I've heard of it besides one Giant Bomb article with a rumour, and IIRC THQ actually said it was incorrect.

Further, THQ was hiding it last year. Smackdown vs Raw 2011 (I think that was the year from last year's release) said nothing about it anywhere on the box, and I was told that other THQ games were the same. Why would you think, despite not mentioning it yet, they WEREN'T hiding it?