Samurai Mythology: Do you enjoy it as well?

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a7xman

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It might just be me, but I've always found the legends of samurai-era Japan fascinatiing. It might be beacuse the way of the samurai is about honor, loyalty and respect; three traits few today still readily display. It might be because Japanese mythology has always drawn me in, even more-so than the European mythology as an American I hear more about. So I"m just wondering if I'm the only one who enjoys it, and if not, what do you enjoy about it? Also, any legends or stories of code people have would be welcomed if they feel like sharing.
 
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Samurai were honourable in regards to the upper classes, they treated the peasantry like shit.

What do you think those katanas were for?

Fighting enemies?


Hah :D
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Samurai were honourable in regards to the upper classes, they treated the peasantry like shit.

What do you think those katanas were for?

Fighting enemies?


Hah :D
Any good old samurai film has the best of both worlds!

OP: I think many cultures have similar mythos. In the US we have cowboys. The "western" has been a hugely successful genre/setting all over the world.
 

CaseClosed343

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I was interested in samurai history once, but I'm not too crazy about it now.

My favorite story that I've heard was that a group of banished samurais disagreed with the emperor or something like that(sorry if I'm too vague, I haven't read about it in a while)and planned to kill him. So they went in and executed him at his house, but since they knew they would be hunted and killed eventually, they all killed themselves on his property and kept/regained their honor.

I'm pretty sure the leader of the attack has a statue or something now.
 

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While I think the samurai are cool and all but I only know few of their mytho (mainly a couple of the well known ones) compare to the other mytho I've read.
 

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It's always perked my curiosity as to how much of the Samurai/ninja mythos is actually based on reality, because just like the King Arthur stories, the facts of those times have always been sort of blended with fictitious over-exaggeration and religious embellishment, so a story could be recounting some historical and credible war or personality one moment, and then next thing you know it turns into the attack of the smoke monsters.

Take the idea of what ninjas wore. Here's Stephen Fry on the subject:


And here's another [historian?] Countering his rather rational view with the actual accounts from historial manuscripts of the time:


Obviously Stephen Fry's account is more grounded, more realistic, and more likely to be true, but the other guy is able to back his rather more fantastical ideas up with historical fact, with historical documents that say all this guff totally happened. Are his accounts really too objectively impossible to be considered credible evidence? People are capable of some superhuman feats sometimes. How do you separate fact from fiction?

And there are some people who would say that ninjas never really existed as a proper group, they were just the name given to a collective bunch of unassociated random amateurs who decided for whatever reason to kill a really important bloke, whereas other historians would argue that there is evidence of them being an actual historical order who worked and trained with each other, with special techniques, skills, weapons, etc.
Who do you believe?

In the West we've been rather good at our bookkeeping, and have managed to categorise and organise our history so we're pretty certain about the parts that are true and what's been made up by some bard in a Saxon pub back in 476 A.D.
That hasn't really happened to the same extent with Eastern history, and they've kind of never bothered to separate the historical fact from the clearly made up, leading to a rather fantastical history of unlikely exploits and extraordinary circumstances that all seems a bit too good to be true (probably because it is).
The easiest example of this would be the myths and legends surrounding the Katana, it's just a sword, pretty similar to every other sword, but people will believe that it can cut through anything, and is faster and stronger and lighter and more resilient than any other sword in the history of ever. No, it's just a sword.
 

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CaseClosed343 said:
I was interested in samurai history once, but I'm not too crazy about it now.

My favorite story that I've heard was that a group of banished samurais disagreed with the emperor or something like that(sorry if I'm too vague, I haven't read about it in a while)and planned to kill him. So they went in and executed him at his house, but since they knew they would be hunted and killed eventually, they all killed themselves on his property and kept/regained their honor.

I'm pretty sure the leader of the attack has a statue or something now.
That's the Chushingura. This happened right in Tokyo. There's a temple where the ronin are buried. People still visit it today to commemorate their deed.
 

cerealnmuffin

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I don't care for the mythology of samurai. Real history is always far more interesting. Most of the mythos was made, because the local lords were wondering why they were even keeping the samurai on staff during long time of peace. Samurai were paid a hefty salary, but they didn't do anything. It is easy to say 'die by the sword' if you spend your days gambling and seeing ladies of the night.

As for the whole sepukku thing, it was pretty much you can kill yourself or we will kill you, kill your entire family, claim all of your lands, and erase your lineage from history. There wasn't much choice.

Most of the bushi, warrior class, were impoverished to the merchants who were really running the show despite being low on the new Confucianism caste.

Even books like the Tale of the Heike which chronicled the sengoku period was merely written as a propaganda piece of the time.
 

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Well, going by the mythology, the samurai would take honour before reason and do so proudly, which would of course be incredibly stupid if it weren't for the fact that pretty much all they fought was other samurai.

Going by historical account, samurai were... people. Just like knights, and everyone else, for that matter. Some kept to the law, some were nice guys, some were right bastards.