ethaninja said:
Kurokami said:
ethaninja said:
Haha blasphemy. Man some people need to get over religion already (no flame war inteaded, if you start one, I shall ignore you for the greater good
(Or is it great or good? I'm pretty sure its greater, I dunno I never really found out))
OTOTOTOT: Sounds like a fun drink.
I agree most people take it a bit too far, but I don't see anything wrong with having religion (if that's what you meant by get over it)
I know you said you'll ignore any flame coming your way, but how about a discussion? Supposing that is your stance against religion.
Sure I'm open for discussion =) So, I have no problem with people believing in religion, I just wish they would keep it to themselves. Doesn't mean I don't like religion (matter of fact I love the ones such as Nordic and Greek mythology), I just don't believe.
Damn, seem to have the same stance more or less. I'll try and spin this whatever way I can anyway.
To be frank, I'd imagine alot of people would find it hard to know where to draw the line between living their lives through religion and not imposing it on others. You and I will both (well I don't know you, but its an assumption I assume is right) stand up for what we believe in, why shouldn't a religious man be able to do the same? Though I suppose by keeping it to themselves you mean to avoid preaching.
I don't know how accurate this is, not being Christian and noticing a very varying approach to religion in many of them, but a friend of mine who is Christian once told me that I'm lucky because I don't have to convert people to get into heaven or something along those lines. This guy's actually very intelligent and... not really religious (though I find it very hard to draw a line with Christians between religious, which can just mean anything between passively saying you are Christian and preaching till your seat in heaven is reserved) so assuming I was to take his perspective on his religion, he doesn't have much choice but to try if he truly believes. So by expecting them to keep it to themselves, you would be condemning them to hell on their terms.
To give a relevant example (one which can easily be dismantled by identifying one of the hands at play): Jews have often been prosecuted throughout history, the main reason being not only their relative insignificance (generally) in numbers, but also their isolation. Jews don't really believe in conversion, its possible, of course. But the process is long and the religion strict unlike Christianity where its pretty much a say-so basis (once again, speaking from my understanding). Because of their lack of association with others they've created this snobby and greedy image of themselves, even today most people don't understand what a Jew is (or rather, can be). Christians on the other hand have preached the world and back, they have so many followers that even in western countries, where we consider rational and logical thinking to be a given, Christianity is embedded into the very Law people abide, many social conventions and taboo's infact are based on Christianity, so why is it that you'd want to say no more?
(sorry for such a lengthy and miss-structured argument, I actually share your view more or less on religion and am actually arguing the opposite thing against someone on another thread.)
