Sausage Party and the possible future of animation for older audiences.

[Smygskytt]

For mature, dark western animation, you have to watch A Scanner Darkly. A tragedy with lots of dark humor about the inevitable downward spiral that is drugs. And playing a junkie allowed Robert Downey Jr. to go absolute bonkers. Just watch:

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Can that really be counted as "animated" though?

I mean, it was acted and filmed normally, and then the film cells were taken and completely animated over. 99% of the work was literally just coloring in what was already there.

I've seen the movie, it was kind of cool and felt novel, but at the same time I felt like the animation barely added anything. It would have been almost identical had they just left the film cells uncolored.

I have no idea, but with this and then the stuff like Sin City on the one hand and mo-cap computer made films like Spielberg's Tintin on the other, where do you draw the line? That could be an interesting thread here.

 

[Avnger]

The first point doesnt matter since the same question can be asked how the First Order was able to turn the New Republic back into the rebels, even though it should be the other way around.

They didn't. This is better explored in EU works, but the New Republic sponsered the Resistance as an insurgency against the First Order. The New Republic in of itself is a functioning government.

I just mean that it shouldnt have been A New Hope and the good guys shouldnt have become the underdogs so suddenly and easily, and instead should have explored a good reason IN THE MOVIE to show them lacking the ability to maintain power and order so this new threat can actually go from being the underdog to being the antagonist that needs to be stopped.

I think you're bringing in your 'Legends cannon' (ugh I hate that term) EU bias with you here. Go back to the original trilogy. By the end of RotJ, there still was no New Republic. The Rebel Alliance was very much just that. It was certainly much stronger and well organized, but there is nowhere in the original trilogy that states how the New Republic began to exist or how large it had become.

The new cannon has things playing out much differently than the old one (obviously >_>).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Republic

 

[Saelune]

The first point doesnt matter since the same question can be asked how the First Order was able to turn the New Republic back into the rebels, even though it should be the other way around.

They didn't. This is better explored in EU works, but the New Republic sponsered the Resistance as an insurgency against the First Order. The New Republic in of itself is a functioning government.

I just mean that it shouldnt have been A New Hope and the good guys shouldnt have become the underdogs so suddenly and easily, and instead should have explored a good reason IN THE MOVIE to show them lacking the ability to maintain power and order so this new threat can actually go from being the underdog to being the antagonist that needs to be stopped.

I think you're bringing in your 'Legends cannon' (ugh I hate that term) EU bias with you here. Go back to the original trilogy. By the end of RotJ, there still was no New Republic. The Rebel Alliance was very much just that. It was certainly much stronger and well organized, but there is nowhere in the original trilogy that states how the New Republic began to exist or how large it had become.

The new cannon has things playing out much differently than the old one (obviously >_>).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Republic

Whatever the new government post Empire is called. I was expecting The Force Awakens to basically start off showing how the new government has been faring since the fall of The Empire. I certainly wasnt expecting them to have firm control over the universe, infact that should have been what much of the early conflict is. Showing resistance to the new government. Showing organizations and governments so independently strong they just ignore them cause they can. Certainly would make it easier to swallow some upstart group taking them on. I feel the conflict we got was rushed to make it resemble A New Hope, since that one started with the Empire firmly in power.

 

[The Philistine]

I'll just stick to anime, and the occasional Disney movie, until Hollywood figures out that "adult" and "mature" is more than stoner comedy sex, drugs, and gore jokes.

 

[mecegirl]

Anime does tons of mature themes. America has this stigma that animation is for kids and mature animation has to overfill it with audacity, sex and gore like Southpark to shake off the mantle of the kiddie thing, as though american animation is Miley Cyrus or something.

I'm aware of that, but one of the reasons I leave out Anime at times is because your Tokyo Godfathers, Cowboy Bebops, GitS etc, tend to be kinda rare these days and when mature themes are handled sometimes its through the shounen filters of usual BS. Though I will admit that I don't watch anime much these days mostly cause there's just too much stuff and honestly the anime art style, even with subtle changes across some shows just bores me. Also one of the reasons I want said mature themes in animation to come from western animation is to further break that stigma, I live in a country where media influence is heavily western and animation is no different, with most viewing as just stuff for kids and as an animator myself (amateur animator) I know that's far from the truth.

It's not that rare. It may not be the majority but every season there is at least one mature show. If we are talking about this year,for this summer season there was91 days, a new Berserk series and a new season of Arslan Senki. This spring there was Koutetsujo no Kabaneri and Joker Game. In the winter there was Ajin and Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

There is an interesting film called "Waking Life" that is more like an exploration of different philosophies, done through various animations that would be like if A Scanner Darkly had taken some potent shrooms. It isn't for everybody, but I'd recommend it. Wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for an old Film Studies tutor. So credit to them.