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Quit0

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Im posting this because I am curious to know how everybody feels about the new starcraft game coming out. I heard that blizzard is going to try and sell the whole thing in several different games, with different releases.
Either way I would have assumed that there would have been more hype or media covering this new game and I haven't heard much else but what I could gather from a few demos.
Any Starcraft enthusiasts wanna enlighten me?
 

Bored Tomatoe

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The first game, wings of liberty is going to hit this year, it will be a 30 mission Terran campaign and have all the races usable in multi player. The next two expansions, Heart of the swarm and Legacy of the Void will be focused on the Zerg and Protoss.
 

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Quit0 said:
How do people feel about Starcraft 2 single player being released as three separate games?

How do you think having three different boxes released at different times will affect the game and fans/community?

Why has there been little chatter on Starcraft 2 in spite of the excitement at the unveiling?
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Fightgarr

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Here are my opinions on the matter:

The Three Game Deal: this is kind of a bullshitty approach. To me it seems like sort of a money grab on Blizzard's part. Generally, if a game isn't finished yet, Blizzard has had no problem delaying it so that they can finish it. While I realize the purpose is to have extensive campaigns on each race, I feel like its awfully convenient that I may have to buy the game 3 times for the experience (all at full price?).

The Online Play: Now I haven't heard that much about the online play, but I heard rumors that you may need to pay for the online this time around. I'm very unsure on that point, but if its the case than Blizzard can f*ck right off.

Balance Issues: There are two issues that I can perceive with regard to balance and the first is easily solved. The first issue with balance is that, with the extensive campaigns being released one at a time, people will, at the start, be generally a lot better with the Terrans from the campaign. This means that people wanting to learn to play as the other two will have to fight to survive a lot harder. The other balance issue that I can perceive is that, from the demo I watched, it doesn't look as balanced as the first game. It looks less like playing the Protoss and playing the Terrans is a completely different experience. This is just a first impression though, I could be very wrong.

Anyway, that's my humble opinion. I hope Blizzard the best, but I'm probably skipping this one for a while.
 

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Though the three game deal is kinda bogus (I like my story to finish when I buy the game) I'm still very excited for Starcraft 2. I just don't want to pay full price for each game. As to paying for Battle.net 2.0: I will gladly shell out money for that. Battle.net was the most fun I ever had on Starcraft (anyone ever finish Monopoly Bound 2?). I am more excited for this game than I have been for any other game ever. Plus, I want to see the Korean economy die for a month or two when this game finally is released.

Right now we just have to wait and see.

C'mon Blizz... Starcraft: Ghost... pull it together.
 

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At least they are being honest about it, couldn't they have easily just released the rest as of the missions as an xpansion pack after they've already made you pay full price for the first game (im looking at you RA3). hehe 2:15am goodnight.
 

Quit0

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Yea I was kinda thinking the same thing, its what eventually turned me off of WoW, the constant pay up to blizzard like their some kind of all powerful gaming God in corporation form. I mean I love the company and their games are of the best quality in my opinion, but I don't want to have to pay full price for three different expansions (if that be the case), just to get the Three campaigns, and I wouldn't want to pay to play online as well. I was hoping that the play would be much like the original starcraft with the campaigns fixed in each installment, and battle.net remaining a free and interactive community for people who wanna beat the living snot out each other in a game.
 

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It doesn't matter if you think its a bullshitty approach to a game release or not, Blizzard thinks its a great way to make more money, and frankly I can't fault them for it. If you truely have that much of a problem with it don't buy it, write them some letters, have people that agree with you write letters, but don't expect it to change anything.

I would like to play it shortly after it comes out, and if having to get it in three different parts means I get to play the first part earlier and ammuse myself with it while the other two get finished, well its better than a kick in the balls, or having no new starcraft at all.
 

NDWolfwood5268

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Fightgarr said:
Here are my opinions on the matter:

The Three Game Deal: this is kind of a bullshitty approach. To me it seems like sort of a money grab on Blizzard's part. Generally, if a game isn't finished yet, Blizzard has had no problem delaying it so that they can finish it. While I realize the purpose is to have extensive campaigns on each race, I feel like its awfully convenient that I may have to buy the game 3 times for the experience (all at full price?).

The Online Play: Now I haven't heard that much about the online play, but I heard rumors that you may need to pay for the online this time around. I'm very unsure on that point, but if its the case than Blizzard can f*ck right off.

Balance Issues: There are two issues that I can perceive with regard to balance and the first is easily solved. The first issue with balance is that, with the extensive campaigns being released one at a time, people will, at the start, be generally a lot better with the Terrans from the campaign. This means that people wanting to learn to play as the other two will have to fight to survive a lot harder. The other balance issue that I can perceive is that, from the demo I watched, it doesn't look as balanced as the first game. It looks less like playing the Protoss and playing the Terrans is a completely different experience. This is just a first impression though, I could be very wrong.

Anyway, that's my humble opinion. I hope Blizzard the best, but I'm probably skipping this one for a while.
Hey dude, just to fill you in with what I heard on Blizzcast, the SC II site, and such.

Three Game Idea - Blizz wants to sate our thirst for the game, and also to portray an 'epic story arc' for each race. This is accomplished by making each race's campaign roughly the size of the original game all together. Totals of 90 missions have been estimated by Blizz when everything's out, with more cinematics and better character development. I don't want to wait forever, we've been here for 10 years+ and the online play will be ready, just not all campaigns. For that, I agree with them.

Online Play - SC II has been stated to use Bnet for FREE as before. Blizz would be invoking a riot otherwise. They also said they are throwing the idea of integrated voice chat around, but that's not official. Bnet will be seeing improvements, but the old SC will also be available. No changes to the system we know and love, but possible additions.

Balance Issues - People will probably be prone to Terran, though old school players, like myself, who love the other two, will undoubtedly lean towards them no matter what. The PvT demo on the SC II site right now make me think Terran and Protoss are decently balanced, especially for an 'alpha' build. Zerg, according the the Blizzcast episodes, are a ***** to balance. Due to their dynamic features and speed of play, you tweak one thing, and they become OP. You tweak another, they suck all of a sudden. That's why we haven't seen much on them, they're still getting hella lot of work done on them.

Why is SC II not in the media and being hyped too much, Quit0? Well, if you know what SC is, you don't need hype. SC players are a cult and religion of their own. Korea worships the bloody thing! The SC II site and the few vids that surface on Youtube are good enough, smart marketing here is not to market too heavily. Same with D3. Blizz is just being lazy because they can be, IMO.

That's my bit, again, sources are the SC II site FAQ, Blizzcast, and a rumor or 2 (mainly for the Bnet additions, it WILL be free on Bnet).
 

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I don't get what all the fuss is about the three-game thing. The campaign mode is only a side attraction as far as RTS games go anyway. It feels empty without one, but you're mostly going to play the game for the multiplayer anyway. And each game is basically an expansion, something they would have been making anyway. Splitting up the campaigns between the expansions isn't really going to get Blizzard anymore money than it would have if it didn't, so calling it a money grab is a rather flawed argument from the start. Anyone who buys the first game is probably buying all the expansions anyway unless they decide they don't like it at all. And it really does sound like they're putting a lot of work into the campaign modes. I'm not 100% sure, but I recall something to the tune of multiple endings and path choices while you're playing through.

And hey, at least StarCraft 2 HAS a campaign mode in the initial release unlike a certain other sci-fi RTS game. I vaguely recall that the Sins of a Solar Empire expansion is supposed to actually add a campaign mode...
 

Drunken Jedi

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I really don't get what the big deal about the "3 games" is. All Blizzard is doing is announcing that they're gonna release 2 expansion packs, each with a full single-player campaign and some (yet undetermined) enhancements for the multiplayer.
And if Blizzard were only interested in making money, the game would have long been released. In the current alpha version, this game is more finished than most other games at their release.

And no, you won't have to pay for Battle Net. Blizzard has expressively said that this rumour is false.
 

Quit0

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its not necessarily a big deal, I wasn't sure how the releases were gonna come, and I needed some clarification. Like I had said I hadn't heard much on the issue and I am a fan of the the starcraft series
 

NDWolfwood5268

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Check out the SC II site, www.starcraft2.com, and navigate to their FAQ, 90% of what you'll want to know will be there. The other bits, well, rumors and other outlets may fill you in but it's up to you to judge their integrity.
 

GothmogII

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As far as I've read...the 'expansions' aren't really expansions at all, something more akin to 3 full games, so we wouldn't be paying for one game + 2 full priced expansions. However, it remains to be seen whether the content will live up to that.

And I hope it does...honestly I've never played the original Starcraft online, at best I tried a few skirmishes, it was okay, though I realise the AI of course doesn't match up to human opponents. However, what I have played, is Warcraft 3 online, and that to be, was, and still is one of the best online multiplayer experiences RTS wise I've ever had.

I don't know what it is, but with everything I've tried over the years, there is almost -always- some sort of connection problem, getting kicked as soon as you enter a lobby, and some of the most god awful auto-matching programs ever. Maybe I'm cursed...but for me in WC3, Blizzard got it all right :3

So, here's hoping for SC2, may it be all everyone wishes of it. (Except those who want it to crash and burn :p)
 

Drunken Jedi

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GothmogII said:
As far as I've read...the 'expansions' aren't really expansions at all, something more akin to 3 full games, so we wouldn't be paying for one game + 2 full priced expansions. However, it remains to be seen whether the content will live up to that.
I realise that many expansions just offer a few new missions and a new unit or two, but Blizzard has other standards. Just take a look at Beyond the Dark Portal, Broodwar and Frozen Throne. Each of those expansions has a single player campaign that's about as long as the one of the main game. The only real differences to the previous system is that there are two expansions instead of just one and that each "game" has one big campaign for a single race instead of several shorter ones.
 

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Fightgarr said:
Here are my opinions on the matter:

The Three Game Deal: this is kind of a bullshitty approach. To me it seems like sort of a money grab on Blizzard's part. Generally, if a game isn't finished yet, Blizzard has had no problem delaying it so that they can finish it. While I realize the purpose is to have extensive campaigns on each race, I feel like its awfully convenient that I may have to buy the game 3 times for the experience (all at full price?).

The Online Play: Now I haven't heard that much about the online play, but I heard rumors that you may need to pay for the online this time around. I'm very unsure on that point, but if its the case than Blizzard can f*ck right off.

Balance Issues: There are two issues that I can perceive with regard to balance and the first is easily solved. The first issue with balance is that, with the extensive campaigns being released one at a time, people will, at the start, be generally a lot better with the Terrans from the campaign. This means that people wanting to learn to play as the other two will have to fight to survive a lot harder. The other balance issue that I can perceive is that, from the demo I watched, it doesn't look as balanced as the first game. It looks less like playing the Protoss and playing the Terrans is a completely different experience. This is just a first impression though, I could be very wrong.

Anyway, that's my humble opinion. I hope Blizzard the best, but I'm probably skipping this one for a while.
No, its not at full price, and its basically 2 expansions, so im fien with that (everyone loved broodwar, we will love 2 broodwars then, right?)