Sci-fi + western awesome?

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Star Wars quickly disintegrated into sci-fantasy, focusing on magic over the "western" elements.

Basically, we ascribe the term "Western" to stories/settings that have certain characteristics--many of which are echoed in post-apocalyptic settings:

- Small "towns" or "camps" in a somewhat desolate landscape, each very separate and exclusive of each other, often competing for resources.

- People surviving on remnants of modern technology, rather than the best and newest luxuries. The idea of "forging a living" in a somewhat hostile environment.

- A sense of lawlessness, or rather a lack of centralized authority. Local sheriffs (or outlaws) run things with their sphere of influence, regardless of what goes on outside it.

- Barter is more common than currency--though this is largely due to the previous point about no centralized authority to assign value to currency.

- People tend to be more stingy and skeptical because of all of the previously-listed features of society.

Post-apoc, as a genre, is often just a "return to the romanticized Old West." Firefly was post-Apoc, after all--we overflowed the Earth and had to abandon it. Instead of the cataclysm knocking us "back to the Stone Age," we're more willing (as an audience) to believe it knocked us back to the Pioneer Age... which we conceptualize through the lens of old Westerns.
 

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Weirdly, when I think 'Sci-Fi Western' I immediately think of the music video for Knights of Cydonia. If only I knew how to embed videos.
 

Geamo

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Umm..

Yeah, Cowboys vs Aliens is going to be amazing. Sci-fi and Western is a pretty awesome combination.
 

Blind Sight

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Some people really hate Space Westerns, they say they're lazy writing because you don't have to use creativity yo make a new world, you just have to borrow elements from the American Wild West. I disagree, but I think there's enough space westerns out there right now.

Case in Point:
Starcraft I, Starcraft II
Trigun
Cowboy Bebop
Firefly, Serenity

I'm pretty sure the idea started out in 1981 with a Sean Connery movie called Outland (which is pure, cheesy '80s scifi awesome).

 

kalla

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anyone heard of the dark tower series?

"The Dark Tower is a series of books written by American author Stephen King, which incorporates themes from multiple genres, including fantasy, science fantasy, horror and western."

the shit going on in this story is incredible its just amazing and the "hero" of the book he is one fucked up man theres no way to stop him. maybe there is i dont know have 2 books to go.
 

York_Beckett

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The video game "Damnation" combines elements of steampunk and sci-fi elements, along with western elements. The game bombed though, and is called one of the worst games of the decade. I thought it was awesome, sort of a cult game. I haven't seen a large fanbase for the game or anything, but who knows?

Oh, and there was also a 1973 film known as "Westworld", which took place in a fake western landscape that was seemingly populated by robots, but used as a vacation spot for humans. From what I've heard, it's pretty good, with combinations of western, sci-fi and thriller elements.
 

Just Craig

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NeutralDrow said:
Firefly isn't the first thing I think of.

kalla said:
anyone heard of the dark tower series?

"The Dark Tower is a series of books written by American author Stephen King, which incorporates themes from multiple genres, including fantasy, science fantasy, horror and western."
Thanks guys, I now have nothing to say.
Except that scifi + western > awesome.
 

Cazza

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Like many people said

Sci-Fi + Western = Firefly & Serenity

it's a great combo
 

bojac6

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It's because the two genres are pretty much the same. They're both about exploration into the unknown. One happens to take place in the desert, the other in space. Both are bleak environments where survival is a daily struggle. Both tend to deal with lawlessness, because there's too much area for the law to be enforced.
Westerns deal strongly with encroaching technology, such as railroads, the advent of semiauto and full auto weapons, the invention of dynamite, the use of technology for superiority (such as guns vs. bows and arrows). A strong theme is where do the people fit in with all this change. You have ranchers moving through, then oil barons, and it's all technology and business and economics and what happens to the little guy? The cog in the machine, the stories of the people.
All of those themes apply to Science Fiction. Thematically, westerns and sci-fi have always been the same genre. They are far more closely related than sci-fi and fantasy (although I often argue that fantasy isn't even a genre, it's a setting. There's no real thematic rules for fantasy, just standards for the world it takes place in.)
 

Sir Prize

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The idea of Sci-fi and Western is somewhat underused but awesome, because making the two both bring something different to the table. Their like chilli and chocolate, and odd pairing that actually work extremely well. Sci-fi give us the tech side of things, along with aliens and a massive world, while Western tends to have the morals, honour, cool characters and group fights and such.
 

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Ossian said:
Flying-Emu said:
How the hell is Fallout sci-fi Western? It's decidedly post apocalyptia; just because there's aliens in it... *grumbles, waving cane*
It takes place 200 years in the future? It has laser guns, Plasma weapons, unexplainable science? Nuke reactors in CARS? Robots?

Oh and than there are the aliens.

/facepalm
Sci-Fi WESTERN.

WESTERN.

The only WESTERN elements of it are that there's next to no enforced rule of law.
 

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I definitely like Firefly.

I enjoyed that perspective of "frontiersmen" but in space. Like, even though our civilization is advanced enough for space travel, there are still people living with less in potentially inhospitable locations on the fringes of the galaxy. It's like a future without all the normal perceived trappings of the future.
 

Ossian

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Flying-Emu said:
Ossian said:
Flying-Emu said:
How the hell is Fallout sci-fi Western? It's decidedly post apocalyptia; just because there's aliens in it... *grumbles, waving cane*
It takes place 200 years in the future? It has laser guns, Plasma weapons, unexplainable science? Nuke reactors in CARS? Robots?

Oh and than there are the aliens.

/facepalm
Sci-Fi WESTERN.

WESTERN.

The only WESTERN elements of it are that there's next to no enforced rule of law.
Have you played New vegas?
There is a perk called Cowboy, everyone has an accent, its the desert, You have a gun called Cowboy repeater, a revolver 6 shooter, lever action shotgun and rifles, cowboy hats, clothes, themes, saloons EVERYWHERE. Gambling, tumble weeds, campfires, country towns, people use terms like "All hat, no cattle."
There are machetes, throwing hatchets, straight razors, I could do this all day but I can't remember it all.

I will once again facepalm you.
/facepalm.
 

FieryTrainwreck

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Westerns are reductive. The primitive setting is simple - minimal organization, government, and/or politics. Just people interacting with other people, agendas and wills clashing or mingling. There's tremendous appeal in that sort of storytelling because people can instantly relate to the characters and easily follow the narrative.

Sci-fi can definitely have that same "Western" appeal. If the story takes place after some enormous destructive event, like nuclear fallout or plague, the characters will be unbound by the receding or absent institutions of man. Same goes for "frontier" stories on the edge of space (Firefly), where man's institutions have limited control.

So yes, Fallout is a "Western". So is Firefly. It's a genre defined by the lack of unseen outside constraints on the characters, who are free to act as they see fit. That freedom is what makes these games/films/novels so attractive.