Science Proves Your Grandma Right About Pop Music

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PoweD

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Vkmies said:
Awwwwwwwwwwwww yeah! Retro fans, rejoice! <3

Damn you!
You got me to listen the entire Mafia 1/2 soundtrack.


I personally don't have anything against pop, it's quite catchy and entertaining, i even like some of Lady Gaga's new songs.
But i mostly listen to this:
It's two of my favorite genres mixed, 40's type music and techno.
 

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Guitarmasterx7 said:
You find me someone with even remote knowledge of music theory that still likes modern pop music and I'll show you the only person who will care about this news story.
Hey I know quite a lot about music theory (make my own songs and did the theory exam that you have to do to get grade on an instrument in the UK) and I like a few pieces of modern pop music. Not all of it, but a decent amount. I also like a lot of other types of music.

And I really don't care about this news story. I don't think there's any way to properly measure blandness or whatever, there could be a million other factors coming into play.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
The reason they sound different to you is because they're taking the same chord structure and putting a different melody on top. If you listen behind what Gotye is singing in the chorus to what the bass and guitar are doing, you'll hear that it's exactly the same progression as Rolling In The Deep, only played a bit faster.

And this is the issue. If you listen to music only for the singing, then you'll never notice. But if you listen to the whole song, rhythm section included, then you start to see the same progressions appear all the time. Someone already posted the Axis Of Awesome video that shows how many pop songs of the last 40 years you can play over the same four chord structure.

Imagine if games all followed the same fundamental structure. Instead of a focus on a variety of gameplay styles and genres, and trying to find new ways to play games, we had a homogeneous pile of games that only ever copied what has already gone before. We're already starting to see that with the relentless focus on military shooters all treading the same ground. Imagine if that wasn't just a brief trend in the industry, but the norm for 30+ years. Would get pretty tedious, wouldn't it?

By supporting musicians who try new things and are willing to challenge their listeners, not just with clever lyrics, but with interesting song structures and real musicianship. Bands like Porcupine Tree, Tool, Karnivool, Opeth, etc.
I re-listened to both Gotye and Adele's song and tried hard to ignore the singing and listen to the rhythm, structure, chords, etc. and I realized that it's mostly just kind of there. Nothing sticks out. Point taken.

It's interesting because after this I thought about bands I like and I have always taken some of the more technical aspects into account with them (or as much as I can with my limited knowledge of music structure and stuff), but for Pop songs I never do. It's like the standard setting for me. I think for a pop song, most people are just used to a catchy melody and not much else.

However I am not expecting any big changes to pop as a whole. And the bands you listed will never be the big game changers for popular music (even if Opeth is awesome), only in their own realms.
 

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PoweD said:
Vkmies said:
Awwwwwwwwwwwww yeah! Retro fans, rejoice! <3

Damn you!
You got me to listen the entire Mafia 1/2 soundtrack.
I just got myself to listen everything Django Reinhardt has ever done! Man's a fucking genius! :=)
 

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What did you say? I can't hear, you're gonna have to speak louder.
Love this song

OT: This is pretty obvious. Older pop is pretty catchy and occasionally you get gems like Umbrella or Crazy but loads of really big songs these days have almost unidentifiable tunes.
 

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wookiee777 said:
So...they have somehow tried to make subjective opinion "fact"?

"Bland" is a relative term; so is unique, and simple. There is no way to scientifically prove something like homogeneity or generic-ness in music, because those are personal factors.

Though, I guess I shouldn't get too worked up. Apparently most people on the Escapist (myself included) don't listen to pop anyway.
It's not a subjective opinion, that's what they're saying. Bland, Unique and Simple are relative, but not subjective terms. You can compare two things and state whether something is, by definition, more or less simple than another.
Too many musicians aren't experimenting anymore. They're not trying new things. They're just playing it safe. Therefore, it's homogeneous.

They're just saying that it would be nice if more musicians tried new things instead of trying to do what everyone else is doing.

"Pop" itself is a very bland, meaningless term. So the music is "popular," that doesn't really tell you anything about it. Country is popular too... in some places... but at least you can listen to it and tell that, yep, it's country. "Pop music" is just an easy catch all term for any kind of music that's so generic that they can't even think of a proper term for it. See also "alternative." Alternative to what, Popular? That just means it's not popular!

TL;DR: if it's too generic to fit into a real genre, or start a new genre, it's pop.
 

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Vkmies said:
PoweD said:
Vkmies said:
Django
Django
Django is the man. Celluloid fires, Nazis, squares, and illiteracy all failed to keep him down. He could play a broom like a guitar. It wouldn't sound like a guitar, though, or any other instrument. It'd be really quiet.

BeeGeenie said:
Too many musicians aren't experimenting anymore. They're not trying new things. They're just playing it safe. Therefore, it's homogeneous.
That stuff is being done, just not on top 40 charts. You can't buy much cocaine with avant-garde music, so the bloody nosed, yellow tie wearing businessmen don't push it.
 

RedDeadFred

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SCIENCE FTW!!!!!

I hate almost all of today's pop music. An occasional gem will come out but for the most part it is all garbage.
 

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gyroscopeboy said:
This also applies to metal, and most forms of non-world music
I shall place my palm to my face because of thee.

OT: We all knew this, it is simple music for simple people. Regardless it still remains my preferred genre for a night out; for it makes good background noise to my excessive drinking.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
This is possibly the best song in the world

I might have agreed until Steven Wilson's latest solo album.


The album version is longer, but just as good.
 

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Iron Criterion said:
gyroscopeboy said:
This also applies to metal, and most forms of non-world music
I shall place my palm to my face because of thee.
Why? It's a valid point. Metal and other "rock" genres use the same timbres in every song. It's no wonder a lot of it sounds very similar. Im not hating on metal, in fact I quite enjoy it.
 

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It seems that the parallel between this, movies and video games is all too clear, big publishers will usually only invest in trending media. That is to say presently hugely successful music, movies or video games are just going to be copied and remade until the next trend in media occurs.
 

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Eh. I dislike pop music, but it doesn't get my dick hard telling someone their music preference sucks.

Besides, it's not like black metal is EVERYONE's favorite, and it irritates the shit out of me when some dickmouth comes by with the typical "der, how can you hear what they're saying, der...my brain can't comprehend musical arrangements outside of a basic 4/4 signature..." argument.

Music is music, and everyone else's music SUCKS.
 

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gyroscopeboy said:
Iron Criterion said:
gyroscopeboy said:
This also applies to metal, and most forms of non-world music
I shall place my palm to my face because of thee.
Why? It's a valid point. Metal and other "rock" genres use the same timbres in every song. It's no wonder a lot of it sounds very similar. Im not hating on metal, in fact I quite enjoy it.
Let me stop you there.

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Does not sound similar to

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End of story.