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tf2godz said:
No one seems to be looking at the blog posts so going to point out some specifics from the last one mainly dinosaur discoveries

Yutyrannus
these guys were the first large sized theropod to be found with feathers and it has open up the floodgates for more depictions of large carnivorous dinosaurs with feathers(keep in mind that this guy live in very cold environments so this doesn't prove that all of them were really fluffy)

Triceratops

This guy was found recently with quills, even though it's not that much feathering it shows herbivores having some kind of feathering on them too.

with these and more discoveries dinosaurs are starting to look like feathers were natural to all species. keep in mind they're still is a lot of gray area on how much each dinosaur had but it seems to becoming a lot more common.
Yeah that doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem likely that larger species would have feathers into adulthood due to issues with overheating.
 

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Drops a Sweet Katana said:
tf2godz said:
No one seems to be looking at the blog posts so going to point out some specifics from the last one mainly dinosaur discoveries

Yutyrannus
these guys were the first large sized theropod to be found with feathers and it has open up the floodgates for more depictions of large carnivorous dinosaurs with feathers(keep in mind that this guy live in very cold environments so this doesn't prove that all of them were really fluffy)

Triceratops

This guy was found recently with quills, even though it's not that much feathering it shows herbivores having some kind of feathering on them too.

with these and more discoveries dinosaurs are starting to look like feathers were natural to all species. keep in mind they're still is a lot of gray area on how much each dinosaur had but it seems to becoming a lot more common.
Yeah that doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem likely that larger species would have feathers into adulthood due to issues with overheating.
keep in mind Yutyrannus lived in a cold environment so it having feathers makes a lot more sense than one living in the desert. Yutyrannus doesn't prove every dinosaur had feathers it proves that some large dinosaurs could have feathers.
 

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Drops a Sweet Katana said:
tf2godz said:
No one seems to be looking at the blog posts so going to point out some specifics from the last one mainly dinosaur discoveries

Yutyrannus
these guys were the first large sized theropod to be found with feathers and it has open up the floodgates for more depictions of large carnivorous dinosaurs with feathers(keep in mind that this guy live in very cold environments so this doesn't prove that all of them were really fluffy)

Triceratops

This guy was found recently with quills, even though it's not that much feathering it shows herbivores having some kind of feathering on them too.

with these and more discoveries dinosaurs are starting to look like feathers were natural to all species. keep in mind they're still is a lot of gray area on how much each dinosaur had but it seems to becoming a lot more common.
Yeah that doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem likely that larger species would have feathers into adulthood due to issues with overheating.
keep in mind Yutyrannus lived in a cold environment so it having feathers makes a lot more sense than one living in the desert. Yutyrannus doesn't prove every dinosaur had feathers it proves that some large dinosaurs could have feathers.
That's a fair point. Considering feathers were likely present in the young of many species and lost as adults, it would make sense for feathers to persist into adulthood.
 

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I'm sure they had feathers, but that's for the younger generation to accept. It's too late for me. Dinosaurs were presented to me as rad lizard beasts for as long as I can remember. To suddenly say 'Yeah no, they where actually these big lame turkey creatures'... Fuck you science, I'm keeping my awesome dinosaurs.
Johnny Novgorod said:
Jurassic Park dinos *are* scientifically accurate. They're specifically cooked up without feathers by InGen.
If we're going by the book they were "historically" accurate. As a matter of fact, in the book Henry Wu suggests to Hammond that they engineer the dinosaurs to be more in line with common expectations, because they're so odd looking. Both the T-Rex and Raptors have forked tongues and the sauropods have extremely agile, swan like necks. They also move frighteningly fast compared to how people would expect animals of that size to move.
In the new movie Wu does bring up the fact that InGen designed the dinos to be "awesome", not "realistic".
 

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They look a lot less dorky with feathers, for one.

It could be because I got the shite kicked out of me by cocks roosters when I was a kid, but I don't see what on earth is so aesthetically offensive (and totally lame) about feathers.


MrFalconfly said:
Starik20X6 said:
"oh shit, all dinosaurs looked like chickens!"
Regarding that comment specifically (I know that's not your comment, but nevermind).

Why do people always think "chicken" when some say that Dinosaurs should have feathers?

Have people completely forgotten about the super aggressive cassowary? Or Birds-of-prey like Eagles or Falcons?
It could be for a lack of reference, perhaps. Now that I think of it. A lot of people haven't got a clue about birds, save the ones that they see on the dinner table or at the bus stop.
 

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It could be for a lack of reference, perhaps. Now that I think of it. A lot of people haven't got a clue about birds, save the ones that they see on the dinner table or at the bus stop.
So in essence, those of us who have a healthy respect for avians have to suffer because of some city-dwellers whose only experience regarding birds are the pigeons in the street, or the chicken/turkey on the dinner-table, think that "feathers look dorky".

Bloody hell.
 

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MrFalconfly said:
Muspelheim said:
It could be for a lack of reference, perhaps. Now that I think of it. A lot of people haven't got a clue about birds, save the ones that they see on the dinner table or at the bus stop.
So in essence, those of us who have a healthy respect for avians have to suffer because of some city-dwellers whose only experience regarding birds are the pigeons in the street, or the chicken/turkey on the dinner-table, think that "feathers look dorky".

Bloody hell.
Well, suffer might be a bit much, but it's a bit of a shame that we're stuck with tired old nudosaurs for the foreseeable future.

There is of course more to it, like nostalgia, but I think that a general lack of bird-interraction (and bird clawmarks) is part of it.
 

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Muspelheim said:
MrFalconfly said:
Muspelheim said:
It could be for a lack of reference, perhaps. Now that I think of it. A lot of people haven't got a clue about birds, save the ones that they see on the dinner table or at the bus stop.
So in essence, those of us who have a healthy respect for avians have to suffer because of some city-dwellers whose only experience regarding birds are the pigeons in the street, or the chicken/turkey on the dinner-table, think that "feathers look dorky".

Bloody hell.
Well, suffer might be a bit much, but it's a bit of a shame that we're stuck with tired old nudosaurs for the foreseeable future.

There is of course more to it, like nostalgia, but I think that a general lack of bird-interraction (and bird clawmarks) is part of it.
Well, "suffer" might be a bit strong, but I think you know what I mean.

It's the same sensation as when a physics-savvy person get when bad sci-fi tries to hide how horrendous it is behind loads of technobabble.
 

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Feathers. I remember a webcomic with deinonychi with proper feathers, a whole pack of them. They were utterly terrifying due to the whole "pack of rabid birds tearing people apart through pure ferocity". They were certainly not less scary. And latter I saw artwork of one interpretation, with proper lighting. They looks far scarier than the stuff from J-Park.

With proper colouration even a T-Rex can be scary as fuck when feathered or what the pre-feather stuff that chicks have is called in english.
Thank you, I completely agree. I mean:

http://alexanderlovegrove.deviantart.com/art/Tyrannosaurus-rex-72515223

Also, can you link the aforementioned webcomic? That sounds worth checking out. Also also, I love your plural for Deinonychus being "Deinonychi". That is awesome.
 

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I remember when I first heard that dinosaurs may have been more feathered, I was against it entirely. Now, even though I still prefer the idea of most dinosaurs being big lizard creatures, I can accept it more. It's all thanks to this fella:


Now, I know a mythical dragon Pokemon may have little to do with real life dinosaurs. For clarity, Reshiram has fur, rather than feathers, but the idea remains the same. I've grown to like depictions of dragons being more interesting than just big winged lizards. I feel more accepting about the same with dinosaurs. I still prefer the classic depiction, but a feathered T-rex for example, could look just as awesome to me in theory.
 

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You know I looking at the various examples in this thread I think the problem with feathers and quills and such may actully be that they look more natural. The giant beast with scaled skin is just more alien feeling, whereas the renderings shown look more like just bigger everyday animals. Just a felling I got looking through the thread.
 

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King Kong wringing a bunch of giant chicken's necks wouldn't sell. He'd be like a giant... farmer, or something, and not a giant 'gator rassler', which is considered more dangerous, I'm sure.

Seriously though, birds are pretty cool, with the talons and sharp beaks well suited to the hunt, excellent eyesight and hearing in some species, and lightning speed. The idea that a branch of theropod dinosaurs became birds is cool, and a window onto some of the possible behaviors, if not cosmetics, of these earlier links. But that's science, I guess.

As for the visuals for a movie, scales or dino skin = monster; even eagles and other larger modern birds have a 'lightness' about them, probably derived from the ability to fly, that doesn't imply 'bruiser' in the same way as a monitor lizard lumbering into view. A large pissed-off modern bird can be scary, but Salties look like pissed-off armor-plated reptilian eating-machines; visually, the latter was always the better way to go in terms of intimidation.

Can birds be scary? Sure! But I just think it's easier to go the reptilian route to get an imposing look, and since I grew up with that visual, it will always carry more weight for me.
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
Angelowl said:
Feathers. I remember a webcomic with deinonychi with proper feathers, a whole pack of them. They were utterly terrifying due to the whole "pack of rabid birds tearing people apart through pure ferocity". They were certainly not less scary. And latter I saw artwork of one interpretation, with proper lighting. They looks far scarier than the stuff from J-Park.

With proper colouration even a T-Rex can be scary as fuck when feathered or what the pre-feather stuff that chicks have is called in english.
Thank you, I completely agree. I mean:

http://alexanderlovegrove.deviantart.com/art/Tyrannosaurus-rex-72515223


Also, can you link the aforementioned webcomic? That sounds worth checking out. Also also, I love your plural for Deinonychus being "Deinonychi". That is awesome.
http://yafgc.net/comic/bob-meets-gren/ Yet another fantasy gamer comic. Quite interesting take on all the monsters, culture and so on.
 

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tf2godz said:
my question is simple would you like dinosaurs to be shown more scientifically accurate(with feathers and acting more birdlike) or do you think stuff like feathers ruins the look of a lot of them and you would rather have them be more lizardlike even if it's not scientifically accurate.
Don't really care either way. Unlike apparently most of the population, I don't find dinosaurs all that interesting. So having them be depicted accurately is just fine with me, as they are just as interesting (read: not very) with feathers, as they are without.

Personally though, I would rather they showed them scientifically accurately, simply because I'm personally tired of how Hollywood pollutes real science, and thus pollutes the minds of the viewers. I can't count how many times I've heard people describe something in real life, using Hollywood logic for why it should've gone down that way. This can be for things like "enhancing an image", or being able to locate people using SCIENCE and kahmpootorz at a level of sophistication that is simply not true.

The most frustrating one I heard, was a coworker who said "Why did that cop not just shoot the weapon out of his hand? You know that's what their trained to do." And I wanted to slap myself for how her pop culture understanding had overpowered the real world actions around her.

I think it's causing some serious problems with our society actually, and that the Rule of Cool is kind of becoming a detriment. Because who cares if what is being shown is even remotely accurate or true, it looks badass right? Nobody's ever going to assume this is how things actually work, even though they see it over and over and over, and repetitive reinforcement isn't a thing that happens to people! *said sarcastically*
 

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tf2godz said:
Triceratops

This guy was found recently with quills, even though it's not that much feathering it shows herbivores having some kind of feathering on them too.
Oh, my freaking god! That looks terrible! Seriously. No. Not seriously. I can't take that image seriously! XD
 

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CaitSeith said:
tf2godz said:
Triceratops

This guy was found recently with quills, even though it's not that much feathering it shows herbivores having some kind of feathering on them too.
Oh, my freaking god! That looks terrible! Seriously. No. Not seriously. I can't take that image seriously! XD
Triceratops got off easy. you should see what science did the Spinosaurus



[HEADING=1]science!!!!!!!!!!!![/HEADING]
 

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tf2godz said:
my question is simple would you like dinosaurs to be shown more scientifically accurate(with feathers and acting more birdlike) or do you think stuff like feathers ruins the look of a lot of them and you would rather have them be more lizardlike even if it's not scientifically accurate.
Either is fine tbh.
I like the lizards just fine but I would not oppose a new interpretation.
I don?t expect every movie or detail in a movie to be scientifically accurate especially not for action movies.
For example as calculated [http://www.wired.com/2012/07/could-s-h-i-e-l-d-helicarrier-fly/] several times by different people the helicarrier in Avengers wouldn?t be able to fly. Who gives a shit if the movie is fun?
If someone wants to put feathered dinosaurs in his movie than that?s just fine. I think it could work if enough care is take at the design stage and animation.
 

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I feel like an odd one since I actually like them with feathers. I like birds to begin with, and seriously, some of the renditions I've seen with feathers are pretty top notch. Not sure why people don't like them.
 

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Charcharo said:
Off topic:
Is there a tank or an APC demonstrating why Humanity is on top by simply crunching over a dinosaur in the new movie?
I'd go for helicopter gunship, myself. Though, even infantry with suitable weapons would work, but I'd much prefer to be safely above reach.