Scientists create lesbian mice: has the 'Gay Gene' been found?

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Trebort

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Jovlo said:
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Jovlo said:
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Me being attracted to men primarily was a personal choice. Nothing to do with genes I'm afraid.
OK, could you explain that to me please? Why on earth would someone choose to be gay and carry the social stigma?
If I had the choice, I would be straight as an arrow.
What social stigma? I have to say I've never encountered any social stigma in the real world. Secondary school, yeah of course, but everyone is bullied.

Men are just as attractive as women, I just prefer men.

Homosexuals have been around for centuries, until the god squad started their form of population control, it was considered healthy and perfectly normal for men and women to sleep with both genders.

I guess I don't face social stigma because I don't ram my sexuality down peoples throats (and gays that do piss me right off), put on a high pitched voice, have really limp wrists I like to flail around, or wear leather and parade down the street. I simply don't need to do that.
It's exactly the same here, yet you didn't quite answer the question.
You said you prefer men, and that you chose to be attracted to them.
How was that a choice?
It's a choice, because I could quite easily not be attracted to men. It's all personal choice.

Also, you said you would be straight as an arrow if you had a choice? Do people hold you down and force you to be gay or something? If you want to be straight, do it.
 

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Well, from my open-minded yet non-educated viewpoint, i can see two things - one good and one bad.

The good one is that if there are in fact "gay genes" or something similar, then it means sexuality is not exactly a choice. It would also mean that discrimination against homosexuals is pretty close to racism in some aspects.

The bad one is that if it's true, some parents would try to modify their not-yet-born children's genes so they would become straight (as was parodied above when i was still typing).

Just try not to bash me for all the things i've probably got wrong here, alright? I have the best intentions in mind.
They might in the future, but people are a bit more complex and such a procedure would be illegal for many years to come. For example, its still not appropriate to twick a baby's genes where we are speaking of hair colour, physical or mental abilities, or gender.
 

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Interesting read but i think more work has to go into this to find out the different genes between straight,bisexual and homosexual before we can really say the sexuality genes are found
 

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thats pretty interesting
but, mice are very different from people
maybe they work differently
maybe not
im not a scientist
 

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Jovlo said:
Isn't it possible that we are all somewhere on a scale from 100% straight to 100% gay, with most people sitting around 90% straight?
No. If you're going with that, there should be two scales, so that a 0% on both is possible.
 

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Consequences...will never be the same! D:

I wonder what they plan to do with information. Design a Cure? Prove that it isnt a choice, but a genetic defect? They will stir the hive...the colourful and camp hive :eek:!
 

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No, probably not.
We don't know nearly as much as we like and we probably won't ever really know all that much.

Not that the human race is stupid, there just seems to be only so much that can be known in this infinite universe.
 

Jovlo

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Trebort said:
Jovlo said:
It's exactly the same here, yet you didn't quite answer the question.
You said you prefer men, and that you chose to be attracted to them.
How was that a choice?
It's a choice, because I could quite easily not be attracted to men. It's all personal choice.

Also, you said you would be straight as an arrow if you had a choice? Do people hold you down and force you to be gay or something? If you want to be straight, do it.
The only possible choice I see is whether you decide be openly gay, or if you decide to act straight and stay in the closet.
And we people are not defined by our actions. It's not because a man marries to a woman that he's straight.

I still don't see how attraction can be a choice. I mean, do straight people wake up one day and think: "From now on, I will be attracted to the other gender."? Or what if you walk by someone on the street who you find really attractive? Did you, after long consideration, decide whether or not to find that person attractive? That's something your brain decides for you in a blink of an eye. Can you suddenly stop being attracted to that person, just like that? I don't know about you, but that's not how it works for me, and I would be very surprised if it worked like that in the majority of people.

I've tried it. I've had girlfriends. They were girls whose personality I liked and I tried to convince myself that I was also physically attracted to them. That didn't go well, to put it lightly... I behaved more like a brother than as a lover. I couldn't help it.
I could live my life in the closet, but that would be hell.
And that choice wouldn't make me straight.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Although the white baby born to Nigerian parents was interesting. [http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=178835] Pity it's only in the Sun/Mail, so we can't be sure if it's correct.
Yay! A chance for me to get my old Genetics notes out! If you don't care about the science of it, skip to the bottom.

Now, that actually occurs more often than you'd think. See, it works like this. Say both of the parents have at least one white ancestor (perhaps a white explorer had sex with their ancestors in Nigeria? Or someone who had a white gene had sex with their ancestors?). The genes of the white person remain in them forever.

Now, when the two people who both have those white genes give birth, they have a chance that it will be mulatto, white or black, depending on how far back those white genes were introduced (if it was a long time ago, it is more likely it will be black, but you never know). This is what we call X-Linked Inheritance in Genetics, and the chances are portrayed through the Punnett Square. This applies to all biological things: plants, animals and humans, and in all aspects of the biology as well: height, eye/hair/skin colour, blood type, Rhesus factor, deafness, blindness, hemophilia, even the ability to curl one's tongue, everything; You want a pink flower? Breed a white and a red. You want a black sheep? Breed two whites. You want a blue chicken (Yes, they exist!)? Breed a black rooster and a white hen. Humans are obviously more difficult to predict, as our genes are, for the most part, unknown to us, and much more complicated than animals.

Let's go with the sheep example. White wool (B) is the dominant allele, and black wool (b) is the recessive. According to Mendel's first law of Genetics, the Principle of Dominance: the dominant allele is always expressed. So, we know that if it has a "B" in it, it cannot be black. A heterozygous white sheep is classified as Bb. Cross this with another heterozygous white sheep (Bb) Bb x Bb. The offspring will be: 1 BB (homozygous white), 2 Bb (heterozygous white) and 1 bb (homozygous black), so the chances are 1:2:1 that you will get a black sheep out of two white sheep, or 25%.

In my family, we have a history of achrondoplasia, a special kind of dwarfism that is characterized by shorter-than-average limbs, and malignant hypothermia, which kills you by shutting down your muscles (including your heart) if they take too much stress, especially in the heat. Both of these are dominant alleles with a 50% chance of getting either one (dwarfism on my father's side, and MH on my mother's.). I have both... *sadness*

tl;dr: Yes, very possible for two black people to have a white baby.
(Sorry, I didn't mean to rant. I just really enjoy the study of genetics, is all.)
 
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If it turned out there was a gay gene I think people would be more likely to persecute gsy people, because now they could claim it was a genetic disorder which needed to be screened out of babies the same way they screen for Downs children. This would then open up the question as to whether gay babies should be aborted before they are born.
 

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How about investing more money in curing cancer, and less in curing gay?
Just a thought.
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Are you telling me that Scientists have nothing better to do than to try and discover the gay-gene, thus trying to possibly create a cure for homosexuality? Shouldn't they try to solve world hunger, or create a cure for extremely harmful diseases like Cancer or something else?
Interesting comments, it always astonishes me how little people on here, for all their self asserted intelligence, get really obvious things. How would you cure cancer? Where would you start just out of interest? We'll assume you're the right kind of scientist since, you know, scientists aren't a resource like tiberium.

Would you determine if susceptibility to cancer was genetically coded and then search through the genome, turning off different genes until you found the ones that caused it? If so then let's assume you do this, you then find that turning off certain genes have interesting effects on the organism, despite not being useful to you. These results could be interesting for other studies or even springboard new research and are the results of your experiment anyway so you note them down and maybe publish a small side-note on them.

Scientists aren't all government funded, self-directed cancer researchers. Scientists do the job they are paid to do, scientists aren't all equally trained and backed by the state to research whatever they feel like.

I can't let this just pass.
There are many exiting ideas on how we might cure cancer, including research in nanotechnology, genetics, telomerase and so much more. I'm studying to become a biomedical scientist, I wouldn't say that we should invest in it if I didn't think we had a good chance of fixing it soon(ish).

And I know how funding works in the scientific community. It's a *****.

I think you were a little hasty in judging my words. But no hard feelings, eh?
 

Trebort

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Jovlo said:
Trebort said:
Jovlo said:
It's exactly the same here, yet you didn't quite answer the question.
You said you prefer men, and that you chose to be attracted to them.
How was that a choice?
It's a choice, because I could quite easily not be attracted to men. It's all personal choice.

Also, you said you would be straight as an arrow if you had a choice? Do people hold you down and force you to be gay or something? If you want to be straight, do it.
The only possible choice I see is whether you decide be openly gay, or if you decide to act straight and stay in the closet.
And we people are not defined by our actions. It's not because a man marries to a woman that he's straight.

I still don't see how attraction can be a choice. I mean, do straight people wake up one day and think: "From now on, I will be attracted to the other gender."? Or what if you walk by someone on the street who you find really attractive? Did you, after long consideration, decide whether or not to find that person attractive? That's something your brain decides for you in a blink of an eye. Can you suddenly stop being attracted to that person, just like that? I don't know about you, but that's not how it works for me, and I would be very surprised if it worked like that in the majority of people.

I've tried it. I've had girlfriends. They were girls whose personality I liked and I tried to convince myself that I was also physically attracted to them. That didn't go well, to put it lightly... I behaved more like a brother than as a lover. I couldn't help it.
I could live my life in the closet, but that would be hell.
And that choice wouldn't make me straight.
Being in the closet of being openly gay wa never a concern of mine.

I'm openly Bisexual. I don't go around raving about it, but if it comes up in conversations I don't deny it. It's nothing to be ashamed of, and if people do take offence to me, that's their problem and I will enjoy pissing them off ^_^.

I don't know how else I can explain it to you, I can make choices pretty easily and I have quite alot of willpower. Maybe you should talk to a counsellor? You don't seem happy being gay and can't quite be straight it seems. (I'm not trying to start a fight with you here by the way)
 

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if there's a gay gene, then they should study and discover that I have the royal gene
meaning I should be king of the world by default! >:D
 

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Jovlo said:
Trebort said:
Me being attracted to men primarily was a personal choice. Nothing to do with genes I'm afraid.
OK, could you explain that to me please? Why on earth would someone choose to be gay and carry the social stigma?
If I had the choice, I would be straight as an arrow.
I don't want to interrupt your conversation or anything - frankly I'm surprised that this entire thread has been perfectly civil - but I always found this line of thinking to be somewhat amusing.

I mean, if homosexuality should be perfectly socially acceptable and free of any stigma (it should), then why the push to find a "gay gene" and prove that there was no choice in the matter? It seems to me that if it was truly "okay to be gay" (for lack of a better phrase), then who the hell cares if there's any genetic root or not? Regardless of any predisposition it's your choice to live the way you want - what business is it of anyone else?

Again, I've just found this train of thought to be interesting.
 

Jovlo

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Trebort said:
Maybe you should talk to a counsellor? You don't seem happy being gay and can't quite be straight it seems. (I'm not trying to start a fight with you here by the way)
Ah don't worry about it. That was just the old me from a year or four ago bubbling up again.
Since then I've been happily out of the closet. Most friends were baffled but accepting.
One even started flirting with me spontaneously (although he's straight).

I hope I didn't come across as angry, though it's hard to tell with just text. It was a really interesting talk, thanks.
 

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Keava said:
You make a very good point I suppose. I'll put some thought into that. Not much else to say, but wanted to acknowledge your view and show my respect *grin*.