Sea Sheperd: are they right or wrong?

[isometry]

I wish the Japanese would kill those eco-terrorists. As long as the whale farming is no less sustainable than what Western countries have done to ocean fish populations, there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[spartan231490]

I personally think that the people on whale wars should be shot. What they are doing is illegal, and it accomplishes nothing, and furthermore who the fuck gives these little shits the moral authority to oppose the decision of a nation, if not of the United Nations(I can't remember who allows the whale hunting to continue, if it's Japan or the UN, but it shouldn't matter)?

I understand what they are trying to do, but they don't have the moral authority to impose their will on an entire nation, nor should they be allowed to assault people and destroy property when those people are doing nothing illegal.

 

[isometry]

So if one person ever did something wrong, it's alright to murder innocent people in order to be able to do the same thing wrong?

That's like saying "Well, the Japanese started World War II, so it's justifyable to nuke Tokyo to stop whaling". Can you see just how wrong and evil your own argument is when put in a different form?

You've completely twisted my argument. I am talking about self-defense, you are talking about murdering innocent people.

Shooting someone while they illegally try to destroy your boat is self-defense. Dropping a nuke on a city of innocent people has nothing to do with this situation.

 

[Darius Brogan]

The whalers are wrong, manipulating the trreaties, and even REALLY stupid to boot.

I've been personally present for the acquisition of tissue samples for scientific purposes.
Do you know what they do? They pock the whale with a hollow, needle-like stick that removes a small portion of tissue. At least that's how it was done a few years ago, anyway.

Killing the whale, carving it up into tiny pieces and selling it at the market is as far from scientific as it gets.

Also, it's hard for me to feel bad when the propellers of a ship get destroyed, because those same people cut the fins off of living sharks and drop the shark back into the water, still alive. This, so they can make shark-fin soup and medicines that have been scientifically proven to have absolutely no medical value at all.

So no. Sea Sheperd is completely in the right. Cause as much damage as humanly possible to those assholes and maybe they'll finally fuck off. At the very least their profit margin drops significantly.

 

[FarleShadow]

Since I hate all the fundamentalist believers of any faith or creed, I can't really find alot of care if Sea Shepard gets gutted and sinks.

Preferably by someone. Who will win my 'Twat defense league' pin.
God I hate protestors like those guys.

 

[CrystalShadow]

it was wrong, it was sabotage. They are just vigilantes and last i checked that means that they aren't above the law

Eh. Arguing about the law in cases like this is a bit meaningless.

The whalers are breaching international treaties against whale hunting. They do it through the use of legal loopholes, that their government fought quite hard to create, but even so, it's obvious they're abusing a technicality.

You just contradicted yourself.

First you say they are breaching treates, and then you correctly point out that they are following the treaties, meaning theyare NOT breaching treaties.

You might not like what they are doing, but the only ones doing something illegal here are the sea sheperd folks.

Firstly, the Sea Sheperd folks aren't doing anything illegal either. You can say otherwise, but nobody has any jurisdiction over the area where they do their more serious actions.
You can't break laws where none exist.

Secondly, the whalers are breaching the intent of the treaties. Everyone knows this, but nobody can prove it.
Of course, the existence of the loopholes they're hiding behind is a continual frustration to everyone.
But the choices are basically between a flawed treaty that Japan abuses, or a less flawed treaty which Japan refuses to sign.

The problem with international law is there is no single authority. Whatever laws exist are all treaties between groups that are quite powerful in their own right.
Short of starting a war there's not a whole lot you can do against a country that refuses to cooperate.

Cutting off another ship who has the right away (usually the larger ship) is a violation of international law.

OK... Fair enough. Although I guess that kind of proves the futility of laws covering territory nobody owns.

Since nobody owns it, nobody is obliged to enforce any laws in that area. So who then, is responsible for punishing anyone who breaks a law in international waters? (The first problem being that by definition the only laws in existence are those defined by international treaties. And worse still, they are only binding on countries that have actually signed the treaties in question...)

Unless there is somebody around willing to enforce a law, it doesn't mean much.
In territory owned by a specific country, the answer to that is obvious.

But in international waters?
Is the the responsibility of the nearest nation? The one the vessel is registered to? What's to stop a country from just not giving a damn?

Especially in a conflict like this one where the 'victim' here is taking on an activity that kind of pisses off a lot of governments around the world, even if it's technically permitted...

Eh. Maybe I'm just having a hard time understanding how international laws are enforced.

I can see how countries might have treaties obliging them to enforce consistent international laws within their own borders...

But once you get outside of territory anyone actually owns?

 

[octafish]

They're right in their efforts, but they are wrong in implementation. Very wrong, those are the most useless protesters ever.

Really? They have consistently managed to tie up the Japanese whaling fleet and prevent them from reaching their quotas. The last two years have seen the CRI return with half the planned catch from their season.

I'm all for Sea Shepherd, since no-one else seems to be interested in opposing the Japanese "Scientific Whaling" sham it is left to them. While Japan continues to bribe small countries to influence the IWC I'll continue to support Sea Shepherd in their efforts to prevent the Japanese whalers.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I can't watch Whale Wars; after watching an episode I always want to personally go Australia and sink every single ship associated with the Sea Shepard cause.

Its all find and good to sit on a throne of judgment over another country and another races' beliefs; but it does no good to go out on the open ocean, put untold numbers of people in harms way just because you feel holier than thou.

How would that fat pig like me to keep chasing him away from his Big Macs all because I didn't believe a cow should have to suffer and die to feed his fat face?

The 'Captain' of the Sea Shepard is nothing short of an eco-terrorist wrapping himself in a cloak of good to justify terrorizing Asians on open waters. Don't be fooled by this idiot.

To my knowledge the Sea Shepeard isn't against the consumption of meat, its against the killing of a certain animal that could go extinct.

Also, while I don't agree with all of Sea Shepherds methods, I agree with WHY they are doing it. Seriously fuck any culture (Asian, European, Americas, Africa, Australian) that wants to carelessly hunt any animal to extinction.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I wish the Japanese would kill those eco-terrorists. As long as the whale farming is no less sustainable than what Western countries have done to ocean fish populations, there is nothing wrong with it.

So because the West acts like an asshole, its ok for Japan to act like one too? By that mentality, Christian extremist should have suicide bombings because, well...you know..the Middle East does it! *rolls my eyes*

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I don't know why but the subject of an Asian country doing things to animals that is frowned upon, makes me think of this video (sorry that its off topic):

 

[RamirezDoEverything]

They're right in their efforts, but they are wrong in implementation. Very wrong, those are the most useless protesters ever.

Really? They have consistently managed to tie up the Japanese whaling fleet and prevent them from reaching their quotas. The last two years have seen the CRI return with half the planned catch from their season.

I'm all for Sea Shepherd, since no-one else seems to be interested in opposing the Japanese "Scientific Whaling" sham it is left to them. While Japan continues to bribe small countries to influence the IWC I'll continue to support Sea Shepherd in their efforts to prevent the Japanese whalers.

Don't get me wrong, I completely support them, it just seems as if they're not as efficient as they could be.

 

[Wintermoot]

self righteous ecoterrorists.
even though whaling is wrong this isn't the way to stop them it,s the same as me cutting power lines to the EA HQ.
if they want to stop whaling they should talk to the Japanese government.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

(who apparently had tags to catch whales for scientific purposes, and I believe they offered to show them the papers)

Unless I'm mistaken, almost ALL of the whalers have those tags, it's the loophole that lets them keep doing it.

But yeah, they're doin it wrong tbh, I saw a documentary on the guy somewhere, and I can say for a fact that a few good snipers with .50's on those icebergs and you wouldn't have any trouble sinking those ships and easily getting away with it, or at least harassing them and getting away with it.

You provide the rifle and I'll sit on an iceberg till those sons of bitches... oh you're refering to the Whalers?