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I can't say I don't feel a little nicer towards attractive women, it's a male instinct. That said just being good looking isn't really going to get you anywhere with me. As for whether or not it's alright for women to use their looks to get things... I suppose it's fine, it really ends up affecting them more than anyone.
 

tomtom94

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No I would never do such a [small]I'm vulnerable to my libido and frankly anyone who says they aren't is a liar.[/small]
 

Lieju

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People really do that kind of thing? Give stuff for people because they're pretty?

Well, as I'm a person who doesn't socialise much...

A guy I hardly know once gave me some of the baby scorpions for free. Does that count?
 

Kaboose the Moose

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Erana said:
If you were to interact with a woman, would you want a bit of casual flirting involved? It seems expected of decent-looking young women these days.
Just because its expected doesn't mean it must be done. I know quite a lot of girls who are flirty even in casual conversations and unsurprisingly, they get an ass-ton of male attention. You just have to take the risk that someone doesn't get the wrong signal and mistake "affectionate talk" for attraction. Lord knows the number of times I keep hearing stories about these misread signals..

Personally though, and this is just me, I prefer it if flirty girls were quite frank in casual conversations. There is an air of genuineness to it when there are no undertones of contrived/fake interest towards the other person.

Save the flirty talk for people you are actually interested in.
 

Klarinette

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Lieju said:
People really do that kind of thing? Give stuff for people because they're pretty?
If I buy this pretty girl a drink/item, she might choose to mate with me.
 

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The only girl I've ever given a present to for no reason is my ex. I don't know why someone would just give somebody a present for being pretty. Unless you're at a bar or something and you buy her a drink. That makes sense.

And I'd use my looks if I could. I'm not bad looking but I'm kinda chubby :p
 

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Erana said:
Irridium said:
Using your looks to get things is a pretty big dick move. Quite a few girls tried it on me before. And it was funny telling them no, and them getting confused at the fact that a guy like me said no to a girl like them.

I say don't do it.
When I'm told, "Use your looks," its not necessarily flirting with someone to get them to give me things, but more of the idea of adding sexual viability into my interactions. I suppose in a way, they're suggesting that I be a bit flirtatious.

If you were to interact with a woman, would you want a bit of casual flirting involved? It seems expected of decent-looking young women these days.

Also, what does it mean these days to accept a drink from a guy?
It means that you are about to enjoy some non-consensual fun times in the back of his van before being thrown off a bridge or hidden in an attic.
...sorry, couldnt resist.

OT: I just am nice to people and more than once I've noticed guys cutting me a little extra slack, but its not like I'm doing anything special. If you push it then your a jerk but whatever, I mean you can't honestly say that you've never looked at a person and thought they'd be nicer or smarter or safer just because they're more attractive. Its the way of the world and its natural.
 

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I take my hat off to any woman who uses her looks to take advantage of idiots who think with their gun not their brain. Never really seen the point in the 'give random girl gift thing' myself, then again according to my friend I: 'Unconsciously flirt with every woman I meet including ones who are old enough to be my mother' and apparently I am 'a complete womaniser'. Oh and a female friend of mine once called me 'a cad and a bounder' which by today's standards actually makes me pretty classy.
 

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Every now and again I'm jealous of gay men (potential homophobe attacks aside); there are so few men who would even think of using their charms and looks to get things.

As for me? Well, I'm that guy who everybody kind of knows, but never got to know better, so I don't have a lot of close friends, and I've never had a girlfriend. You better believe I'm a soft target. It wouldn't take anything to get a free ride out of me, or a stack of bus tickets, and I don't think it would take much more to get a movie ticket or a cab ride out of me, too. Come to think of it, I really need to toughen up that way.
 

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TL;DR - Regardless of gender, don't intentionally imply something (weather physical or emotional) that you're not comfortable following through on.

Firstly: I don't think it's a specifically female thing - men are more likely to give attractive women *stuff* (eg: buying drinks, etc), whereas women are more likely to give attractive men *attention* (eg: flirting, etc).

As for the morality of it: IMO the line in the sand is drawn when you imply acceptance of something that you're not willing to go through with (weather it be a simple beer, going on a date, or even sex) in order to get something in return.

As a man, for example, I tend to refuse the offer of a drink from women, since I usually have no intention of dating the person who offers it. While it's true that technically a drink is just a drink, it is *implied* that by accepting I am open to the possibility of a relationship with the buyer, which, since I know I'm not, I feel would be disingenuous.

Erana said:
When I'm told, "Use your looks," its not necessarily flirting with someone to get them to give me things, but more of the idea of adding sexual viability into my interactions. I suppose in a way, they're suggesting that I be a bit flirtatious.
Again, IMO, if you're not comfortable being sexually viable, don't imply that you are. Be yourself, not who you think the other person wants you to be (apologies for the triteness of that sentiment...). You might get a little less free stuff, but you'll get better friends and relationships in the long run; not to mention having a clearer conscience!

Erana said:
If you were to interact with a woman, would you want a bit of casual flirting involved? It seems expected of decent-looking young women these days.
Personally, I find women flirting with me to be a little disconcerting: it's usually obvious, and I've yet to feel the need to respond. I'm much more likely to connect with a woman (romantically or otherwise) if she actually expresses herself, rather than using redundant physical clichés. Flirting might be a little arousing, but ultimately the type of woman who consistently behaves suggestively is typically not the type of woman men are interested in being in a relationship with.

Of course, as far as teenage boys/casual sex goes, flirting remains the lifeblood of inter-gender interactions! :p

I wouldn't say people expect flirting, but if you are so inclined, occasional innocent (honest) flirting is basically harmless fun for both of you.

Erana said:
Also, what does it mean these days to accept a drink from a guy?
As for what accepting a drink from a guy means to the guy: I feel it means that you're open to the idea of a relationship with him; so if you're definitely not, don't accept, in my opinion.

With that said, I find the specifics of the potential buyers' grammar revealing - lets say you're talking to a member of the opposite sex in a pub or bar. He/She then says:
"Can I buy you a drink?" = implied potential romance.
"Shall we get some drinks?" = enjoying conversation, closer to friendship than romance.

Dear god relationships are complex...
 

SimuLord

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Onyx Oblivion said:
I have never, ever given a woman anything because she was attractive.

I am 100% immune to being manipulated by an attractive woman.

[sub]Back of the line, miss.[/sub]
Indeed. At least for me, however, such experience came with age. I was a total sucker in my late teens and early 20s.
 

NeW SpEcTrUM

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Normally, I love to give gifts to whoever I'm interested in. Why? I dunno, I just like it, I guess I'm sort of a generous person. However, my girlfriend doesn't really like receiving gifts, mostly 'cause that kinda sappy stuff bores her, so I've basically stopped doing that.
 

anthony87

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I've been told I'm cute a few times but I don't dwell on it and I don't act any differently because of it. After all, attractiveness is subjective.

On the other hand, I have a friend who knows that girls find him attractive, so he treats them with the same about of thought you'd give to the tissue you used to wipe your arse and acts like a smug, arrogent wanker because of it.

It all depends on the person really.

As for the buying drinks thing, if I'm talking to a girl and I'm heading the bar I'll generally offer to buy her a drink just to be polite, no ulterior motive. But only if it's a girl I actually know and not some randomer.....well, maybe sometimes it's a randomer.

Now if it's a girl that I genuinely like I wouldn't give them gifts exactly, but I'd be more than happy to give them a lend of they've got no money to go out that evening. Partly so I can see them, partly so they get to join in. Again, I don't go giving strange girls money, I tend to become attracted to a girl after I've known them for a bit and consider them a friend.
 

Kukakkau

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Only time I've ever bought a girl anything is if they are my friend or I'm know them well enough to actually be interested in them.

I don't see the point buying a girl a drink just cause she's hot - you do that, it works and she turns out to be a *****, you have to suffer for it
 

the Dept of Science

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If I was an attractive woman, I'd use my looks to get things as much as physically possible. Any guy that thinks that he can get into a womans pants by simply lavishing her with gifts deserves to be taken advantage of. These sorts of guys are full of shit and need to learn some hard lessons about attractive qualities. Any guy worth giving a damn about will know that he should be able to turn a woman on using confidence, intelligence or personality.

This is not to say that guys shouldn't give girls presents. It's that they shouldn't give them presents just because they are good looking.
 

Naheal

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I'm a manipulative guy. The idea of someone using looks to help get something they want isn't foreign to me. It does seem... rather crude, though.
 

Cheesus333

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I suppose I act kinder and with more patience to girls I find attractive, but it's definitely not intentional. On a conscious level I like to think I'm pretty unbiased with my treatment of people but... subconsciously, I guess I do favour the pretty ones and such.
 

Dags90

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I used to get my breakfast really cheap at my deli because two of the guys behind the counter were into me. One of them actually asked me out eventually. I'd never give someone something because I found them attractive, because I think it's silly and relationships should start on the basis of equality. A lot of the guys I've dated make more money than me (I'm in school, so it's not hard) but I wouldn't ever want someone who isn't related to me paying for my food or entertainment. I find all sorts of guys attractive, I'd go broke if I did that.
 

Nickolai77

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Eh, i suppose a good looking woman using her looks to get something from stupid males is like psychics taking advantage of the gullibility of their customers. On the one hand it's hard to sympathise with the victims, so perhaps they deserve it, but it's not exactly moral either.