Segregation's son is homophobia whom has just been convicted of pedophilia!

[Alistar_Helloise]

Okay, America...We have had an interesting time of it, haven't we? We have been through segregation, civil war, 9/11, mall shootings, and mass murdering and yet we still pull through. Well of course we did, there are 313 million of us and we aren't a superpower for nothing!

But let's take a brief look at our history shall we?

Segregation, separation of Blacks and Whites based on an idea of white superiority because they don't feel like their property should be able to walk free.

Frankly, the idea of white superiority disgusts me but I will not delve into that. We have beaten segregation not just blacks but whites alike and we have become better for it. Still, there are problems but I think they can be rectified.

Now we are dealing with homophobia, it is a dying element to be sure but it is reaching its late 40's. At least in the eyes of college student's I can say as much. I won't speak too much on it's behalf but I can say that if people can be "openly gay" things aren't the worst, still bad for them but not the worst. Personally, I cannot stand the whole idea of homophobia either, the whole base of it is sticking your nose into somebodies business and telling them that their business is wrong and should be condemned.


Now something else should come to our attention, a problem that is more two sided than one might think: Pedophilia. Pedophilia is a threat to children of course, but more so it is a strike against the "pedophile" at birth.

Of all of the things in this world nothing is worse than the following

1. Hunger
2. Loneliness
3. Life-crippling illness
4. Sexual repression
5. War.

but let's focus on sexual repression, shall we? Pedophilia is a strike against the pedophile in question and the child whom may be the victim of their succumbed urges.

Pedophilia IS a sexuality people, contrary to popular belief, they don't just abuse kids for skits and giggles or look at pictures because they wanna break the law. They do it because they are horny, same reason a woman or a man looks at porn. The only problem is, being a pedophile with any kind of sex-drive must royally suck worse than being a homosexual or being black post 1940's America.

You can't look at porn, you can't find a "partner", and confiding in somebody is literally a social death-sentence. The solution: Go to one of those church camps to have your sexuality repressed using science and therapy. They did the same thing to homosexuals once, that doesn't make it right, does it?

I'm not asking us to abide child exploiters, I'm asking if there are people who would sympathize with a person suffering and would put your head towards finding a solution to this. For these people and the kids they may exploit if they are pushed too far, and they are usually pushed too far.

Personally, I think the next crucible will be given to pedophiles.

 

[JoJo]

I agree largely with your premise, I'm not one to condemn someone for feelings they didn't choose if they can keep them under control. I think the best solution to all potentially harmful fetishes, whether they are paedophilia, bestiality, sadism etc, is to encourage harmless alternative outlets for these people to enjoy, e.g. drawn pictures, writing, role-play and so forth, with a clear distinction between reality and fantasy. It's very easy to condemn a fetish we don't share as disgusting and weird but ultimately shaming won't make the fetishes go away, all that will do is force people into the shadows until they snap, and by then it's too late.

It's far away but I like to imagine a solution to these problems will be virtual worlds, picture a place where any person could take on any form, where any imaginable scene could be reinacted with the processing power of computers. It sounds Sci-Fi but with the way computer technology has advanced in the last few decades, we could see such a world in our lifetime. When that happens, people with potentially harmful fetishes will be able to live them out in the virtual world, safely keeping any real children or animals from abuse. Now that in my opinion would be something worth aiming for.

 

[omega 616]

Not to get too far off topic but number 2 is loneliness? Seriously? All the evil things in this world, that doesn't rank top ten. Sexual repression is worse than war?

I would have to go war, hunger, illness, abuse then exploitation.

The problem is getting an alternative that is equally gratifying but doesn't cause harm to children, then finding a way to coax them out of the shadows to use this new means.

Till then they are the bogeymen and will continue to be so.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Yeah, there is an element of "witch-hunt" in the narrative in which the news reports on paedophiles. I mean, shit, I genuinely feel sorry for the fuckers who genuinely have a sexual attraction to children, since no-one asks to be sexually attracted to anyone or anything. It sucks, but I think the best way to deal with it wouldn't be locking them up before they even commit a crime (although, if they commit a crime, my sympathy's lost, as they would've crossed the line between fantasy and reality, where a child is actually abused for no other reason than the perpetrator's satisfaction) would be watching lolicon or some shit to keep the sex drive at bay, and then therapy with a doctor or nurse who hopefully won't chuck them out of the clinic for practically being cursed like that.

Life sucks, you know, man.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Yes, it must suck to be a pedophile.

It must also suck to be one of those people who'd really enjoy burning down large buildings, because we don't allow that either.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Yes, it must suck to be a pedophile.

It must also suck to be one of those people who'd really enjoy burning down large buildings, because we don't allow that either.

I'm fairly sure people have looked into treatments for pyromania other than executing them on sight or locking them up before they do anything.

 

[TakerFoxx]

I genuinely feel sorry for closet pedophiles, because unlike homosexuals, who are gaining public acceptance and can enter into morally and legally sound relationships in line with their orientation, pedophiles just can't. Relationships with a child is straight up morally wrong, and there are many pedophiles who know and agree with this, and yet they're stuck with an attraction that probably disgusts them and will ruin their lives if it were ever made public.

Of course, my sympathy goes out the window once they actually act on it, but just having those urges and being unable to get rid of them must really suck.

 

[Alistar_Helloise]

Not to get too far off topic but number 2 is loneliness? Seriously? All the evil things in this world, that doesn't rank top ten. Sexual repression is worse than war?

I would have to go war, hunger, illness, abuse then exploitation.

The problem is getting an alternative that is equally gratifying but doesn't cause harm to children, then finding a way to coax them out of the shadows to use this new means.

Till then they are the bogeymen and will continue to be so.

I didn't say "In that order." :3

 

[Alistar_Helloise]

I agree largely with your premise, I'm not one to condemn someone for feelings they didn't choose if they can keep them under control. I think the best solution to all potentially harmful fetishes, whether they are paedophilia, bestiality, sadism etc, is to encourage harmless alternative outlets for these people to enjoy, e.g. drawn pictures, writing, role-play and so forth, with a clear distinction between reality and fantasy. It's very easy to condemn a fetish we don't share as disgusting and weird but ultimately shaming won't make the fetishes go away, all that will do is force people into the shadows until they snap, and by then it's too late.

It's far away but I like to imagine a solution to these problems will be virtual worlds, picture a place where any person could take on any form, where any imaginable scene could be reinacted with the processing power of computers. It sounds Sci-Fi but with the way computer technology has advanced in the last few decades, we could see such a world in our lifetime. When that happens, people with potentially harmful fetishes will be able to live them out in the virtual world, safely keeping any real children or animals from abuse. Now that in my opinion would be something worth aiming for.

I actually have had this thought myself tons of times, I like you.

 

[ThreeName]

Oh man, who was that pedophile activist we used to have on here? Fuck, surely someone remembers? They kept making threads and eventually got banned? Man, this is frustrating.

Anyway OP, yes, pedophilia is not the same as child molestation, and I feel sorry for the ones who haven't broken any laws. However, it's also worth noting that no society has ever accepted pedophilia, i.e. there's always been a minimum age limit.

I like the pyromania example the guy gave before, that's a good one.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Oh man, who was that pedophile activist we used to have on here? Fuck, surely someone remembers? They kept making threads and eventually got banned? Man, this is frustrating.

Anyway OP, yes, pedophilia is not the same as child molestation, and I feel sorry for the ones who haven't broken any laws. However, it's also worth noting that no society has ever accepted pedophilia, i.e. there's always been a minimum age limit.

I like the pyromania example the guy gave before, that's a good one.

LegendaryGamer0, or something to that effect.
That guy will live on in infamy.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

However, it's also worth noting that no society has ever accepted pedophilia, i.e. there's always been a minimum age limit.

What about Ancient Greece and their young male prostitutes? Didn't we get the word "pederasty" from them?

And regardless of a minimum age limit, paedophilia is practically accepted in the Middle East, due to the prophet Muhammad marrying and consummating his marriage with Aisha at age 9 being used as a justification for child brides.

 

[BSebor3]

I genuinely feel sorry for closet pedophiles, because unlike homosexuals, who are gaining public acceptance and can enter into morally and legally sound relationships in line with their orientation, pedophiles just can't. Relationships with a child is straight up morally wrong, and there are many pedophiles who know and agree with this, and yet they're stuck with an attraction that probably disgusts them and will ruin their lives if it were ever made public.

Of course, my sympathy goes out the window once they actually act on it, but just having those urges and being unable to get rid of them must really suck.

This 100%.

Obviously there will not be any sort movement towards pedophilia acceptance because, unlike homosexuals, their attraction is with people who cannot mentally handle it.

Pedophiles who are not rapists are probably incredibly conflicted and self-loathing people and I feel sorry for them. But there will never really be any movement to accepting them because their just can't be.

 

[Someone Depressing]

I really do despise it when people say that pedophiles are people who rape children, and yet if I say that pedophilia is like any other philantrophy, obviously, I'll look like I'm defending child molesters, when they are two different things.

But it is a very strange situation one would find themselves in, man or woman. And a difficult one; you're pretty much revolted by all of society.

And I'm not sure the "supress it with science and therapy" would work.

 

[Alistar_Helloise]

Not to get too far off topic but number 2 is loneliness? Seriously? All the evil things in this world, that doesn't rank top ten. Sexual repression is worse than war?

I would have to go war, hunger, illness, abuse then exploitation.

The problem is getting an alternative that is equally gratifying but doesn't cause harm to children, then finding a way to coax them out of the shadows to use this new means.

Till then they are the bogeymen and will continue to be so.

Also, try being lonely and then tell me that

 

[Senare]

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Anyway OP, yes, pedophilia is not the same as child molestation, and I feel sorry for the ones who haven't broken any laws.
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Maybe that is where it needs to start: a distinction between paedophilia and child molestation by the general populace.

I skimmed a book about this while killing time in a library once. To my surprise it stated that many (I don't remember if it said it was the majority) of child molesters are actually not even paedophiles, though I don't remember why. And if things like that can escape common knowledge then I am willing to bet that people as a whole are pretty ignorant about the subject.

 

[Brian Tams]

I have really mixed feelings when it comes to pedophilia.

On one hand, they can't really control what they're attracted too; that sort of thing is usually set at birth. And it isn't fair when they get ostracized when they haven't done anything illegal.

But at the same time, when a desire becomes strong enough and they act on it, a child (or children) are harmed, and sometimes irreparable psychological damage is inflicted. And human history is rife with proof that urges are really really hard to control.

Its a more complicated issue than people are willing to admit.

 

[viranimus]

Its also important to understand a very real distinction in this. Pedophile is an insufficient and inaccurate term. These are forms of Chronophilia, specifically Pedohebephilia which is an emerging DSM-5 reclassification of Pedophilia with more accutate breakdowns for Nepiophilia (toddlers) Pedophilia (Kids) As well as Adolescentophilia with its two distinct subcategories of Hebephilia (tweens & Teens) and ephebophilia (Jailbait- 16-18)

All these terms are very important because the largest bulk of "pedophiles" are individuals with Hebephilia & ephebophilia. Most often it is cases of someone just over the age of 18(around 20-21 area) being attracted to someone relatively close in age who is still underage. Yet for long periods it has all been lumped together as if someone attracted to a toddler is somehow the same as someone attracted to a 17 year old.

Anyway OP, yes, pedophilia is not the same as child molestation, and I feel sorry for the ones who haven't broken any laws. However, it's also worth noting that no society has ever accepted pedophilia, i.e. there's always been a minimum age limit.

That also presents another problem with this. While these paraphilias are viewed as mental disorders, time and the manner in which we have manufactured adolescence has changed what would have been deemed perfectly normal a century or more ago to be illegal in the case of ephebophilia (and to a lesser extent hebephilia) So while the mind may be guilty of its amoral attraction, it is a world of difference between someones attraction be amoral, and having someones biology reclassified as amoral. In that respect it is artificially creating pedophiles.

Many of the more true definition of pedophiles, knew they were pedophiles when they themselves were still children. They have struggled to resist their attractions, Some even going so far as to undergo elective castration to put a stop to it even though they never acted on their attractions.

 

[omega 616]

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Then why list them in that order?

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I've spent more time alone than most people ever will. I remember being at college when somebody asked how much time I spend alone, after working it out it came to 90 hours a week. After college it turned it to 106 hours a week.

Being either alone or lonely isn't bad, "I think it?s very healthy to spend time alone. You need to know how to be alone and not be defined by another person" says Olivia Wilde, though I don't think it's the famous tv actress. I often think I spend too much time alone but it's so nice being alone.

 

[ThreeName]

What about Ancient Greece and their young male prostitutes? Didn't we get the word "pederasty" from them?

And regardless of a minimum age limit, paedophilia is practically accepted in the Middle East, due to the prophet Muhammad marrying and consummating his marriage with Aisha at age 9 being used as a justification for child brides.

Pedophilia is relative. That's what "minimum age limit" meant. In every society there's always a threshold you can't cross; ours isn't sacred.