Self Advertising in Shows, Podcasts, and Apps Troubles Me

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secretkeeper12

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For more than a year, I have eagerly used digital media as a daily part of my life. For even longer, I have explored the internet and learned countless fun facts, general truths, and a love for science and math.

Recently, I?ve noticed a troubling aspect of my digital media. Shows, podcasts, and apps still deliver high quality, but now I see something to them I didn?t see before, and that?s a repeat attempt to make the show, podcast, or app itself a thing.

What I mean is, valuable time and mental ability are spent making the show itself relevant, or transition from one to another apparent, almost like creating a new reality in which this show or this app is a central part. I worry at this, because it threatens to cheapen the education these shows can provide, or limit the potential these apps can reach.

To illustrate my point: Consider the many brands that make smartphones. Amazon with its Silk web browser, Apple with Safari, Google with Chrome, Samsung with Android?do you not see the myriad of choices there are when it comes to browsers? We must conceive of every one of them, because we must make a choice as to which one to use. Thing is, psychology tells us there?s only so much we can conceive of at a time; research suggests we can?t think of more than 7 items at a time [https://www.simplypsychology.org/short-term-memory.html]. That means for every browser we consider, we forget one thing we wanted to look up on the internet. In other words, we become dumber technology users because we?re distracted by the technology itself.

It?s like being present at a social event for an ill defined purpose, with people who don?t matter and ambiguity about why we should care. Every praise is trying to create success out of nothing, just like these smartphone companies try to create successful web browsers with no basis. Each case has people create an illusion of success out of presence, rather than merit. Wouldn?t a good web browser attract users without advertising itself?

That?s the key problem, I feel, is advertising. These browsers don?t all do it, but plenty of online shows and utility apps do. Advertisements are more than banner ads, they encompass any attempt to make a thing out of a brand or a product. Every ad you see takes up a place in your short term memory, and that place is lost for other, more useful thoughts. As a result, self advertising makes you learn less from an otherwise thought provoking program. And that, I feel, is tragic.


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What do you think? Does self advertising bother you too, or am I making a deal out of nothing? Don?t be shy, speak your mind!
 

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I have no idea what you're complaining about. Google Chrome ads in Google Chrome? Or that there are too many internet browsers? I mean do people really puzzle their puzzler every time they want to open a webpage as to which browser would work better?
I don't think many people care how many browsers there are, so long as one does a few of the things they want.

Like I'm not distracted by the idea of my phone. I can be distracted browsing Pintrest for 40k conversion ideas, but I don't wax philosophical about why I have a Samsung Galaxy S8+ compared to an iPhone X-Black 4. I just do. I made my choice, and that's it.
 

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secretkeeper12 said:
That?s the key problem, I feel, is advertising. These browsers don?t all do it, but plenty of online shows and utility apps do. Advertisements are more than banner ads, they encompass any attempt to make a thing out of a brand or a product. Every ad you see takes up a place in your short term memory, and that place is lost for other, more useful thoughts. As a result, self advertising makes you learn less from an otherwise thought provoking program. And that, I feel, is tragic.
If I'm understanding you right, I totally get it and I really bothers me too.

I've always used Firefox, through the good, the bad and the ugly. That little orange and blue logo just gives me comfort and I've never really looked back. Though I've found a sneaky browser on my PC every now and then when it's come bundled with a piece of software. Probably due to a tricky tick box, that's either check to download or check to opt out of downloading depending on how much of a dick they're feeling at the time. I've done my level best to avoid ads in every possible way, but I'm now finding that some paid services are starting to use advertisements on their platform and it just makes absolutely no sense.

For example, Now TV, for me, was always going to be my alternative to subscribing to a satellite or cable TV package. It's just streaming some choice cable/satellite channels for a relatively small fee. Within that subscription they've broken the packages down into Entertainment, Movies, Sports and Kids and you can choose which you want to subscribe to. So I pay ?7.99 for my Entertainment pass so I can watch the channels I want to watch. Yet at the start of every stream I now have to sit through a one and a half minute ad for the service to the service I already subscribe to. Doesn't matter which subscriptions I have already, I just get a randomly selected ad for one of the shows or an overview of the package and it's every single time.

Between that and the growing popularity of mobile ads that seize control of your screen, there's nothing that makes me want to ditch a service quicker. I'm sure there are regulations pertaining to how much screen estate an ad can take up on a PC, so why are mobile ads allowed to completely lock your browser down until you play along with its little game? This all culminates in my final little nugget of anger, does my mobile data pay for those ads? Those two minutes of unskippable YouTube shilling for a fucking Land Rover actually charges me to watch it, despite my lack of choice in the matter?

TL;DR

Ads suck. They're innumerable and more obnoxious and invasive than ever. Not to mention that through data sharing, we're practically doing free market research for them. It's kind of scary.
 

secretkeeper12

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Silentpony said:
I have no idea what you're complaining about. Google Chrome ads in Google Chrome? Or that there are too many internet browsers? I mean do people really puzzle their puzzler every time they want to open a webpage as to which browser would work better?
I don't think many people care how many browsers there are, so long as one does a few of the things they want.

Like I'm not distracted by the idea of my phone. I can be distracted browsing Pintrest for 40k conversion ideas, but I don't wax philosophical about why I have a Samsung Galaxy S8+ compared to an iPhone X-Black 4. I just do. I made my choice, and that's it.
Google really isn't an offender here; if anything, they've done a lot to end the frustration I feel. Let me share an example of what I mean:

Just today, I was on Facebook using my smartphone. I wanted to send a private message to a friend of mine, but as you might know Facebook doesn't support private messages directly. Instead, I was told to use the Messenger app. So I choose the button to use it, and I'm redirected to a new Safari tab. Safari then asks would I like to go to the app store, so I say yes. At the app store, the Messenger app is already downloaded, so I'm only urged to open it. So I do. Finally, in the Messenger app, I need to search for my friend again in order to send them a message.

So let's recap: I wanted to send my friend a message (one mental task). In order to complete this single task, I

-was told to use Messenger (+1 mental task)
-was redirected to a new app (+1 mental task)
-was redirected to the app store (+ 1 mental task)
-needed to search up my friend (+1 mental task)

= 4 mental tasks in order to complete a task that should only take one.

"But Secretkeeper!" you say, "those tasks are so trivial. Why do they bother you?"

Because, as I mentioned earlier, a human mind can only handle so many tasks at once. Why must I exert half my mental ability on a task that should only take one-seventh?

I might think too much about each step, but isn't it inevitable that redirecton and advertising will lead to distraction? That's my peeve with apps that bother me.
 

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secretkeeper12 said:
Ah, okay! That makes so much more sense. Don't know why I wasn't picking up on that in your OP.

To the topic, I can relate to a degree. I don't have a social media presence of any kind. No twitter, or facebook or myspace or tumblr or instagram, nothing. I have What'sApp, an email account and a phone number. If that's not enough to contact me, I don't need to hear from them.
But I can understand the saturation of contacting apps. Just today another user here asked why I don't post on Jim Sterling's Website anymore and my answer is simple - he changed commenting providers. He used to have Disqus and now uses I think WordPress, or one of the other ones.
And I simply don't want to keep up. Between this website, Equestria Daily, Bell of Lost souls, Reddit, and the occasional romp into Cheezeburger, most of which use Disquis, I have my posting time cut out for me, I really don't want to keep track of a hundred different accounts and passwords and user groups.
 

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secretkeeper12 said:
Google really isn't an offender here; if anything, they've done a lot to end the frustration I feel. Let me share an example of what I mean:

Just today, I was on Facebook using my smartphone. I wanted to send a private message to a friend of mine, but as you might know Facebook doesn't support private messages directly. Instead, I was told to use the Messenger app. So I choose the button to use it, and I'm redirected to a new Safari tab. Safari then asks would I like to go to the app store, so I say yes. At the app store, the Messenger app is already downloaded, so I'm only urged to open it. So I do. Finally, in the Messenger app, I need to search for my friend again in order to send them a message.

So let's recap: I wanted to send my friend a message (one mental task). In order to complete this single task, I

-was told to use Messenger (+1 mental task)
-was redirected to a new app (+1 mental task)
-was redirected to the app store (+ 1 mental task)
-needed to search up my friend (+1 mental task)

= 4 mental tasks in order to complete a task that should only take one.

"But Secretkeeper!" you say, "those tasks are so trivial. Why do they bother you?"

Because, as I mentioned earlier, a human mind can only handle so many tasks at once. Why must I exert half my mental ability on a task that should only take one-seventh?

I might think too much about each step, but isn't it inevitable that redirecton and advertising will lead to distraction? That's my peeve with apps that bother me.
For future reference, when you request the Desktop site you can send messages on Facebook's website on your mobile device.
 

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secretkeeper12 said:
I might think too much about each step, but isn't it inevitable that redirecton and advertising will lead to distraction? That's my peeve with apps that bother me.
Isn't that the purpose of advertisement in the first place? To make you drop what you're doing for a moment, focus on their product, and go back to what you were doing. From TV commercials to Youtube advertisements, they aren't different to what you're describing (not that you shouldn't had a peeve; I personally hate them).
 

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Silentpony said:
secretkeeper12 said:
... I can understand the saturation of contacting apps. Just today another user here asked why I don't post on Jim Sterling's Website anymore and my answer is simple - he changed commenting providers. He used to have Disqus and now uses I think WordPress, or one of the other ones.
And I simply don't want to...
Yes, you know how I feel! Try to keep up with all the options for what should be a simple service. It?s an irritating task; I seriously feel like I?m having a seizure when I try to concentrate.
bluegate said:
For future reference, when you request the Desktop site you can send messages on Facebook's website on your mobile device.
Oh, really? That?s good to know! Thank you!
CaitSeith said:
Isn't that the purpose of advertisement in the first place? To make you drop what you're doing for a moment, focus on their product, and go back to what you were doing. From TV commercials to Youtube advertisements, they aren't different to what you're describing (not that you shouldn't had a peeve; I personally hate them).
Yeah, I have no doubt the intent is to seize my attention. For multumedia content that serves quality on any platform, okay, they?re just encouraging me to learn more. But for apps to direct to other apps, for podcasts to plug other podcasts, TV shows to advertise more TV...it feels like building an isolated circle, where the only real difference is superficial. When I only see superficial differences, my brain hurts trying to distinguish between them.

Ads for superficial media, as I said, creates an illusion of success. When I try to make the illusion real, I strain my mind. Does that make sense?
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
For example, Now TV, for me, was always going to be my alternative to subscribing to a satellite or cable TV package. It's just streaming some choice cable/satellite channels for a relatively small fee. Within that subscription they've broken the packages down into Entertainment, Movies, Sports and Kids and you can choose which you want to subscribe to. So I pay ?7.99 for my Entertainment pass so I can watch the channels I want to watch. Yet at the start of every stream I now have to sit through a one and a half minute ad for the service to the service I already subscribe to. Doesn't matter which subscriptions I have already, I just get a randomly selected ad for one of the shows or an overview of the package and it's every single time.
Spotify's terrible for that. Not just the incessant blabs to go premium, but also constantly trying to pimp out specific playlists (that really are nonsensically targeted, given my listening habits). Even moreso, the "Watch this ad for 30 minutes ad free" does not stop any of Spotify's own ads from popping in.

WWE Network is another weird one. Besides running ads for their pay-per-views that in theory, anyone dedicated enough to be subscribed to their network damn well knows that Wrestlemania's coming up and so on (and those are included on their network subscription). They literally run ads for the network on the network shows that you have to subscribe to the network to even be watching (in theory, there's obviously other ways)