Self reflection, am i a horrible person?

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ERaptor

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So, as the title suggests i had a look at myself not too long ago, paired with a girl straight out telling me that im a huge jerk. Usually this wouldnt bother me very much, but considering it wasnt the first time i heared it, i actually want to do a bit of a self reflection and figure this out. And im shamelessly asking you for opinions, escapist. Wall of Text incoming:

So, in my free time i play a lot of WoW. Now, before the mental image of a fat Neckbeard chilling in a basement enters your head: I do it mostly for roleplay (and not 24/7 "i dont need food and/or sleep im totally fine" raiding) and also im doing an apprenticeship as a Computer-Techie, so im employed and have an overall stable live. Not the issue here. x)

While i greatly enjoy WoW as a roleplaying platform (since i find LARP a bit too awkward. Nothing against LARPers, but im just uncomfortable doing this stuff live. Pen & Paper is about as much as i can handle being "In Character" around other people.), Roleplayers tend to be a rather angry bunch. Flame Wars between people are common, and tehre are a lot of different "Cliques" around the server, who dont have a particularly good opinion of each other. Its basically a mess of caalling each other "Fails" or "Elitists", so arguments are common, and _usually_ nothing to worry about. I've met a few people trough the whole thing, were things would escalate. And some of this stuff stuck to me for a while and got me thinking, if i reacted wrong or was too harsh.

The first example was a girl that joined our guild. We played Jungle Trolls, a race where things can get bloody and very hostile very fast. One of the most important rules of roleplay is to strictly seperate IC, so stuff that happens while roleplaying, and OOC, stuff that happens out of character. As long as people stick to that, everything usually runs smoothly. We had some people that had problems with this however, and the Newcomer was no exception. We had a lot of arguments, basically the new girl and a few others insisting that the seperation rule should have less priority over the well-being of characters. Whenever something bad happened to one of their toons, or whenever their toons were treated badly IC, a whole big drama would go on. I especially took a lot of fire because my Voodoo-Doc could be a bit of an a**hole, and had a pretty big Arsenal of nasty stuff he could unleash on others. He didnt do that on a whim tough, he needed a reason. And i wasnt sitting behind my desk maliciously rubbing my hands and going "Yes, yess, im gonna RUIN all of your Roleplaysssss!", so i would usually get annoyed very fast if the Dramaparade rolled trough town.

The new girl couldnt let go tough. I would usually abandon the discussion when I felt I was wasting my time or getting too annoyed. It's my free time after all, and who would want spending that arguing over stupid stuff like this? It was established in the rules, and had worked fine before. To me it was clear, they and especially Newgirl were overly dramatic and whiny. So the fact that she would spend hours bringing the topic back up, complaining about everything and generally spending time being upset. Eventually, i got so fed up that i pretty much told her i wasnt interested in dealing with her or the Drama-Parade anymore. I would only interact with her Characters IC and had no interest in any sort of communication other than that. Her reaction to this was pretty much throwing her hands up in the air in dissapointment, but she left me alone after that. Only a few weeks later i left, as the atmosphere wouldnt recover anymore. I hear from a lot of people that the "Drama-Parade" is convinced to this day that im a huge jerk, wo enjoys torturing other players out of their fun. Just for clarification, i really tried to reason with them first, and tried to find common ground. But it was just getting me nowhere, and since they started the whole thing i didnt see a reason to ruin my whole experience just for their sake.

The second example was antother chick i met trough the game. We played in the same Noblehouse and eventually our characters started a relationship. At first it was cool, i liked her Character and she was generally nice to talk to, but eventually things got sour. When i wasnt in the mood to play for a day or two, she would start to get angry. To me that was absolutely normal, sometimes i want to do something else, sometimes i did stuff with other mates. She wouldnt have it, started huge arguments over my "inactivity" as she called it. She argued that it was _necessary_ that i played more, since we were together IC. I was ruining her fun, sabotaging her Roleplay, yadda yadda. I saw paralels to the first thing, so i put a lot of effort into the thing and played more. Eventually it was too much, and i actually started to loathe the evenly sessions. Making up excuses so i didnt have to show up. Whe she caught wind this time, i didnt even try to make up anymore. I basically told her that she could either respect my view and time management, or fu*k off. She took the latter option, and just as the above group, still hates me to the core.

Last but not least, a girl i actually didnt interact with trough WoW and her buddy. I have no idea why, but for some reason she jumped from "Buddies" to clingy "Im his best friend!" in a few days. Also she was very "sensible" as her buddy called it. This translated to her pretty much being depressed all the time, getting upset over nothing and also requiring constant words of encouragement. She was basically the MS. Depressed with a giant leak, and the only thing keeping her from sinking were compliments and comforting words. Eventually i got annoyed at the whole thing, only rolling my eyes if she answered to a simple "Hey, how're you doing?" by whining into the Chatbox for 2 hours, about problems who could've been solved by simply lifting her lazy ass, instead of crying all day. I tried to slowly push her into a direction where she would make things better, she wouldnt have it tough. Eventually i just figured she was attention-hugging and didnt WANT to improve anything. So i slowly started to cut ties. She reacted by being even more dramatic, eventually even writing that she would start to cut herself, if i wouldnt pay more attention to here. This got me pretty mad. Actually threatening me into taking her bullsh*t? It got me angry enough to start a big argument whereafter we didnt talk to each other anymore. Same scenario as before.

I talked about the whole thing with my cousin, and she just shrugged and told me i was a jerk. Nothing unusual, she said. When i asked her to elaborate she told me that i was a "user", just haning around with people as long as its uncomplicated, and dropping them if it gets uncomfortable for me. I have a hard time believing that, i get along great with my other friends, and yes, they arent dramaqueens. But isnt that a quality? Am i really a di*k for not wanting to deal with stuff like the above? I have simliar experiences with people being "offended" about stuff. Jokes or the like, for example. I just dont care. Its not okay, in my eyes, to ruin something for others, because YOU have a problem with it. And i also find it unfair if you expect me to be invested in your well-being, despite you not actually doing anything to deserve it. Is that really so egoistic, and does that really make me into an a*sshole? Im generaly wondering, so go crazy.
 

Abomination

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Hahahaha, oh man. Not laughing AT you just laughing at the similarities I am seeing with my own time roleplaying in World of Warcraft.

We were probably on the same server for all I can tell. Wyrmrest Accord in my case...

Anyway, no, you're not a user or a dick. You are under no obligation to put up with anyone else's shit. You're an individual beholden to only the laws of the nation you call home. Your friendship and affections aren't a commodity people are entitled to.

What you have is a case of "high standards in others". As long as you hold yourself to those same standards you have nothing to worry about.
 

ERaptor

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Abomination said:
Hahahaha, oh man. Not laughing AT you just laughing at the similarities I am seeing with my own time roleplaying in World of Warcraft.

We were probably on the same server for all I can tell. Wyrmrest Accord in my case...
Im playing on "Die Aldor" which is a german Roleplayin-Server. I actually thought about hitting an english Server to see if there's more going on or the atmosphere would be better. It was pretty much the same, except it had more players and was thus even more openly "flamehappy". I dont even know why, maybe WoW-Roleplay attracts people who take stuff too seriously, or maybe the Roleplaying-crowd is a bit overly dramatic in general. To be fair tough, you almost have to be kind of a di*k on my RP-Server, since the people actually Roleplaying are vastly outnumbered by those who dont. Blizzard stopped long ago enforcing most of the rules, thus the number of OOClers that crowd the whole server is really high. It doesnt really help with an allready tense situation. After 2 years now i usually just laugh at most of this sh*t, isnt even worth getting worked up about anymore. The above examples are actually some of the nicer ones.



Abomination said:
What you have is a case of "high standards in others". As long as you hold yourself to those same standards you have nothing to worry about.
I definetely do that. Funny enough tough, the "high standard"-thing usually classifies as elitistic behavior on my Server. But then again, the people here throw around labels like its nobodys business. I may have taken some of that too seriously.
 

TeamDei

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1) You are not a user or a dick or an ass or a jerk. Whatever your cousin was thinking, she was wrong.

2) Speaking of "shes", the females around you seem to be the only ones calling you a jerk (Unless you have examples of your male friends calling you a jerk). Maybe you should spend less time around girls IC, or at least keep the girls you know IC and the ones you know OOC separate.
 

Mirakill

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I feel like I can relate to you in some of the things you said!
I don't like to deal with other people's emotional baggage *unless* it's someone I cared about (which is a number I can count on one hand) because I don't care about people that much unless I do (not many in-betweens)
however something you could consider is maybe we're only hearing what you think happened?
not accusing you of anything but somebody else's version of the events could be drastically different from yours and portray you in a different light. When you thought you were just saying something neutrally they might be taking it as a huge insult or something. Misunderstandings always suck the most haha.
From your stories though, you seem like a normal person & not a jerk at all though.
I hope confirmation that you're normal from an anonymous source on the internet makes you feel a little better :~~~)
 

Anja Bech

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Oh man, I only wish I had the balls to be as straight to these needy types as you were. I met this one guy IRL a few times, think we hung out a total of three times before he was convinced I was his new best friend. Granted, he met me at a time where I was feeling all kinds of lonely 'cos my bf was out of town for a couple of months, so I might have been friendlier than usual, but there was no way I was opening the door to eternal friend-hood and best-buddying. I was friendly, he latched on and now I don't know how to tell him that he is the most uninteresting person I have ever met. His idea of 'exciting' is showing me pictures of when he was really morbidly obese, probably just so I can tell him how not-morbidly obese he is any more. He whines about not being able to find a girl but does nothing to actually find a girl, and on top of that he has no social skills. Example: we were six people around a table, talking and having drink. Despite us not being seated next to or straight across from each other he kept talking just to me, about things that no one else at the table had any knowledge off or interest in, effectively bloking four other people from social interaction because he felt the need to share with me exclusively.

He's the kind of person who thinks that online interaction translates to IRL - it really fucking doesn't. You can get all cozy and close with someone online after only a few weeks, you can't do the same in the real world. You can't just tell a girl all your desires and secrets, blatantly hitting on her despite her having a boyfriend and no fucking interest in you. You can hit on your friends online for a bit of fun because there is no actual, physical, awkward, sexual tension. You can't do that in real life.

.... sorry, that turned out to be a bit of a rant. My point is that I applaud your honesty with these girls. If someone tells you that they'll cut themself if you don't talk to her - let her cut herself. It's not on you. Though you might try and tell her to get some professional help. That'll probably only get you labelled as a jerk a second time around though. Because, being a nice, real person isn't what's important - pouring all your time and attention into a black hole of a damaged girl is. Yeah, I'm sure that was the lesson I was supposed to learn...
 

teisjm

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You don't seem like an asshole.
It seems that people take for granted that you're there for them, whether you'd like to be or not.

Based on what you write, it seems like your cousin got it upside down.
You're not using people, needy people whose idea of how close you are, are off by a long shot compared to what you think, are using you.
As far as i can tell, you never asked for anything from any of them, and as such, they shouldn't be excpecting to be able to ask anything on you on a level, where they feel justified in beeing angry at you for not meeting their needs.
They can get as dissapointed as they like, as long as they realize that it's their excpectations that were off, and not you who where an asshole for not meeting unrealistic excpectations.

I've met several people, who act like anyone they think they need are excpected to fill that role, whether they want to or not. I tend to keep my distance to those people, and stay distanced, in order to avoid them thinking we're bestest friends who's always there for each other.
Close friendship is built up over time, not by the needs of one side.
People who are un-needy are much easier to get close with, as you're just getting close based on common ground and positive stuff, and you won't have to worry, about them excpecting you to deal with all their issues.

I don't mind people assuming it's okay to unload on me, as long as they're aware of, and accepts that i'm not obliged to help or be there beyond, if i don't want to.
Me beeing bad at rejecting other peoples needs is my issue, not theirs, and they shouldn't worry whether i wanna help or not before asking. Just accept my answer whether it's yes or no.
If people excpect me to take responsibility like i was their dad, we're never gonna be close.