Sell my soul for job security? (in physics)

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Bioluminescence

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I love physics. I want to be a physicist, by which I mean that I want to perform physics experiments and (hopefully) thereby help humanity understand the nature of the universe a little better.

The only problem is there are many, many physics PhDs and very, very few jobs in "pure physics," AND there are even fewer jobs in which one can design and run one's own experiments. The jobs that do exist in "pure physics" (almost exclusively in academia) are usually as assistant professors, where the salary is incredibly low and the position is basically a highly qualified "lab assistant" job. Perhaps most importantly, post-doc and non-tenured job tracks at universities only last a couple years. There is no job security. Every couple of years you have to be willing to move to wherever you can find another position-IF you can find another position at all. It's a rather bleak prospect to me.

This isn't just about salary. I'm pretty frugal and never getting paid more than $30k a year (USD) wouldn't bother me so much if it meant I could pursue my passions. But that is not the real issue. It's the idea that I'd never be able to settle down, probably never get married or have a long-term relationship, and probably never be able to retire. There is enormous stress that comes with such a level of insecurity about future prospects.

Alternatively, there are many careers "with physics" that are not "pure physics." This basically means you give up on the big existential questions and instead focus on commercially viable research, or even worse- take a financial or management job. I really don't want to do any of these things.

So what should I do? Should I give up on physics altogether and instead go to a more "sensible" profession like medicine? Should I follow my heart and be an overqualified, underpaid gypsy with no future? Should I sell my soul and research things that don't interest me for the sake of job security? Am I being a big cry baby?
 

FreakSheet

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Have you considered applying to Black Mesa?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

However, If being a physicist is what you want to do, then you should persue it. Just make sure you also have something to fall back on. If you can't find a job there.

Maybe being a test participant at Aperture Science...
 

dmase

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Have you considered talking to a physics professor at a close college? Maybe they could provide more options for you, interest you in something else, or give you some insight to working at a university.
 

LetalisK

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Bioluminescence said:
Alternatively, there are many careers "with physics" that are not "pure physics." This basically means you give up on the big existential questions and instead focus on commercially viable research, or even worse- take a financial or management job. I really don't want to do any of these things.
Nothing wrong with that. Academia is not the only place where breakthroughs in physics occur.
 

Bioluminescence

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LetalisK said:
Nothing wrong with that. Academia is not the only place where breakthroughs in physics occur.
This is basically what my adviser said. It's really an issue of where my passions lie, not necessarily that I wouldn't be doing good research. But she did make industry look a little more appealing, I must admit.
 

LetalisK

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Bioluminescence said:
LetalisK said:
Nothing wrong with that. Academia is not the only place where breakthroughs in physics occur.
This is basically what my adviser said. It's really an issue of where my passions lie, not necessarily that I wouldn't be doing good research. But she did make industry look a little more appealing, I must admit.
If nothing else, you're getting a degree that serves as a crazy awesome jumping off point for countless other paths if you ever change your mind about being a purist. I wish my degrees were half as useful.
 

TheStatutoryApe

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Bioluminescence said:
So what should I do? Should I give up on physics altogether and instead go to a more "sensible" profession like medicine? Should I follow my heart and be an overqualified, underpaid gypsy with no future? Should I sell my soul and research things that don't interest me for the sake of job security? Am I being a big cry baby?
I am not sure about guidelines regarding posting links to other forums so I apologize but I think that this is appropriate here.
http://physicsforums.com/
This is another forum I frequent. There are several students, teachers, professors, professionals, ect that participate and they have sections for both academic and career guidance.

Be aware that posting guidelines are much more stringent there.

Good Luck
 

Zantos

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The only real way to do the "pure physics" as you put it is to go into academia, sorry :(. However if you have a masters in physics there are a lot of places that'll take you onto a research team in industry. You might not be trying to unify GR and QFT or be trying to find the god clock, but companies like IBM are doing really high up stuff in solid state physics and quantum computing. Plus physics can take you all over the world, there's a shortage of us everywhere, and have you ever heard of an unemployed physics graduate? Astrophysicists love using it as a great way to travel to sunny and exotic places. I wouldn't give up your dream just yet, physics opens so many doors that you can try out running around doing experiments and stuff, then if you decide you just want a plain, secure office job then it's not difficult to find something in that vein.
 

rutger5000

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I'm a physics student, and happy the give you some info on the matter.
I can't say for sure about the US but here in the EU there is 100% job security for pure physics student. It's the complete oppisent of what you described, there are very very few pure physics students and postdocs and there is an immense demand for them. So I advice you to start looking for a job here, it should be incredibly easy. 96% of the physics graduates (who only got their masters, not and didn't promote) get a job with 6 weeks after graduation. The other 4% probably didn't get on because they wanted to relax after their studies before starting their very challaging carreer.
Before looking for a job abroad spend some more time looking for one in the US though, for I simpely can't imagine there isn't an demand for employees who majored in physics way higher then the suply. You'll probably get a very nice pay too. I know for a fact that companees like phylips and shell are always recruiting physics students, sometimes even those who haven't finished their masters yet.
What you should understand thought that the idea of a pure physics carreer is a bit vague. What kind of physics are you talking about? Physics itself is way too general for any job besides being a teacher (again high demand 100% job security decent pay and working hours, fun job if your up for the challange to teach children). But many industries require employees with working knowledge of specific fields in physics. If any problem arise in structures like say powerplants they'll probalby need someone with working knowledge of thermodynamics, magnetisme, and elektro dynamics.
It's true that with a pure physics study is a bit too general to do most jobs, but many companies will gladly hire you and help you specialize in a certain for them usefull field. Most of the time you'll have to have studied physics in order to understand such a field, others probably couldn't even hope to understand the slightest thing about it.
 

Arbi Trax

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What's stopping you taking a corporate job, and doing some freelance physics on the side? In fact, what the hell happened to the decline of freelance science in general?

If you have designed an experiment, pitch it to some funders and rent a lab! If the only thing stopping you is finance, and getting a full-time job as a physicist is the least likely outcome, then do it yourself!
 

Emurlahn

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Follow your hearth.

And then sell your soul once in a while, when money gets tight, or you don't want tot move.