Senpai may be added to the English dictionary

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Saelune said:
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Saelune said:
Plus I doubt it will refer to the actual Japanese meaning of senior/higher ranked student.
Wait. That's not what it means? I'm too afraid to Google it now.
Senpai means senior ranking student, so if you're a freshman, a sophomore and up would be addressed as Senpai. However its become, half jokingly, half not, to refer to crushes. Likely due to crappy romance anime having girls fall for perhaps older male students, or just wanting to put their crush above them, since social rank is very important in Japanese culture.
Colour me informed. I've only ever heard it used in a martial arts background, given I'm hardly the demographic for the anime.
 

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The dictionary is already full of ridiculous nonsense words that should never have been acknowledged to exist, anyway. Words like selfie, manspread, bruh, and swole. The chance to have the official record of our language not sound like it came from a bunch of mouth breathing morons has already passed.
 

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infohippie said:
The dictionary is already full of ridiculous nonsense words that should never have been acknowledged to exist, anyway. Words like selfie, manspread, bruh, and swole. The chance to have the official record of our language not sound like it came from a bunch of mouth breathing morons has already passed.
Up until this point in life I had been fortunate enough to have never encountered the word "swole" before. Thank you for ruining that for me.
 

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FirstNameLastName said:
infohippie said:
The dictionary is already full of ridiculous nonsense words that should never have been acknowledged to exist, anyway. Words like selfie, manspread, bruh, and swole. The chance to have the official record of our language not sound like it came from a bunch of mouth breathing morons has already passed.
Up until this point in life I had been fortunate enough to have never encountered the word "swole" before. Thank you for ruining that for me.
Glad to be of service. *bows*
Share the pain, share the love.
 

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If "bae" can be a word in the Oxford dictionary, then I have absolutely no problems with "Senpai" being included.

English is already a hodge-podge of different language words being thrown into a mixer over the centuries, and like all languages it is constantly evolving. If enough people recognise a word due to its popular use, why should not be added to the dictionary?

Although what pisses me off is when enough people say a word but mean the opposite, and because enough people use the word wrong it becomes a new definition. It may be IRONIC, but if people don't stop misusing words so that it completely alters their meaning I will LITERALLY explode with rage. (See what I did there?)

Edit: Here's a handy link for people who think we shouldn't appropriate words from other languages. You are to stop using these words immediately - http://www.englishleap.com/vocabulary/foreign-language-words
 

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... excuse me my good sir but THE English Dictionary is the hhhOxford dictionary thank you very much.

In all seriousness this is pretty cool. Seeing stuff in other cultures that we like and then quietly stealing it and passing it off as our own is in an English tradition.

Sensei must have been in most English dictionaries for ages by this point right?
 

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Zhukov said:
*shrug*

God forbid the English language adopt a word from another language and mangle the meaning in the process.

It's unprecedented!
This.

The way people are acting, you'd think we're on the verge of an <link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_purism_in_English>Anglish revolution.
 

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Here [http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/changlang/activities/lang/twentieth/loanwords.html] is an incomplete list of words English loaned from the 20th century.
If this any dumber than turning the German noun for lightning into a verb for rapid action?
Also I just learned that the word "Angst" is actually a 20th century German loanword, one that we've apparently butchered.
 

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Here [http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/changlang/activities/lang/twentieth/loanwords.html] is an incomplete list of words English loaned from the 20th century.
If this any dumber than turning the German noun for lightning into a verb for rapid action?
Also I just learned that the word "Angst" is actually a 20th century German loanword, one that we've apparently butchered.
 

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People here know the word?

Then it is entirely valid to add it in the dictionary...
 

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My understanding is that the notion of "seniority" pervades through a lot of Japanese culture, and well beyond high school- that "junior" employees are implicitly expected to serve drinks to "senior" employees at the semi-mandatory company social outings, for example.

Without *quite* the same notions in the west, it does sound a little silly when there are already perfectly adequate terms to express seniority.

Which is, y'know, what the word actually means.
 

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...And? A single word is being added to a book containing tens of thousands of words. I'm more annoyed that the informal definition of literally (IE not really literally) is in the dictionary now.
 

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I am still enjoying that "literally" is now the antonym of itself. I can't wait for someone to make "no" and "yes" mean the same thing.
 

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inu-kun said:
Well that happens, but why Hayao Miyazaki quote? The guy is an elitist snob who is WAY overrated.
Overrated? You know, you might as well have come out and say "He's popular but my opinion doesn't match up with the majority opinion" instead of acting like there's something wrong with the people who do like him. Because that's what overrated means. It's basically you saying "the majority opinion is wrong." And as someone who doesn't think he's overrated, IE someone who you just said was wrong, I take issue with that.

And how is he an elitist snob? Because he dared to criticize anime and not like the overall direction it's going in? Not seeing it.
 

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erttheking said:
inu-kun said:
Well that happens, but why Hayao Miyazaki quote? The guy is an elitist snob who is WAY overrated.
Overrated? You know, you might as well have come out and say "He's popular but my opinion doesn't match up with the majority opinion" instead of acting like there's something wrong with the people who do like him. Because that's what overrated means. It's basically you saying "the majority opinion is wrong." And as someone who doesn't think he's overrated, IE someone who you just said was wrong, I take issue with that.

And how is he an elitist snob? Because he dared to criticize anime and not like the overall direction it's going in? Not seeing it.
inu-kun said:
Well that happens, but why Hayao Miyazaki quote? The guy is an elitist snob who is WAY overrated.
I can't tell whether the both of you actually think that quote is real or not. It's not, its a troll quote that came around after Miyazaki did an interview criticizing the current industry. Not anywhere near that broad or harshly though, mostly he just talked about the industry creating characters without seeming to know how real people act.

If you see any quotes about Miyazaki saying he hates otaku or that anime is trash or a mistake, then its a fake quote generally used to try and piss off anime fans.

For god's sake, this exact image is on the Know Your Meme page, and that page is the first result when searching the quote.
 

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EternallyBored said:
Truth be told I was thinking more about the criticism he made about the industry being obsessed with sexualizing young girls, but I did not know the quote was a fake. Thanks!
 

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erttheking said:
EternallyBored said:
Truth be told I was thinking more about the criticism he made about the industry being obsessed with sexualizing young girls, but I did not know the quote was a fake. Thanks!
Don't think I've seen that one, if you've got a link I would like to see it, the one that inspired images like in the OP was this:

"You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, ?Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life. If you don?t spend time watching real people, you can?t do this, because you?ve never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It?s produced by humans who can?t stand looking at other humans. And that?s why the industry is full of otaku!."

I can see why people would disagree with him, but the quote is so much more eloquent and well thought out than the "anime was a mistake" pictures make it seem.