Sentenced to death, what if you survive?

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Koroviev

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Well, this isn't the philosophical discussion I had imagined it to be. At risk of being off-topic, I'll go with what I was thinking. A bit of context first: Dostoevsky, author of the passages I am about to quote, was once to be executed for his political affiliations on the order of the King himself. While he did not survive the execution (for as you will see, there was no execution), he was pardoned. This incident exerted a profound influence on Dostoevsky as illustrated by the following passages taken from his novel The Idiot:

"Do you know, though," cried the prince warmly, "you made that remark now, and everyone says the same thing, and the machine is designed with the purpose of avoiding pain, this guillotine I mean; but a thought came into my head then: what if it be a bad plan after all? You may laugh at my idea, perhaps--but I could not help its occurring to me all the same. Now with the rack and tortures and so on--you suffer terrible pain of course; but then your torture is bodily pain only (although no doubt you have plenty of that) until you die. But here I should imagine the most terrible part of the whole punishment is, not the bodily pain at all--but the certain knowledge that in an hour,--then in ten minutes, then in half a minute, then now--this very instant--your soul must quit your body and that you will no longer be a man-- and that this is certain, certain! That's the point--the certainty of it. Just that instant when you place your head on the block and hear the iron grate over your head--then--that quarter of a second is the most awful of all.

"This is not my own fantastical opinion--many people have thought the same; but I feel it so deeply that I'll tell you what I think. I believe that to execute a man for murder is to punish him immeasurably more dreadfully than is equivalent to his crime. A murder by sentence is far more dreadful than a murder committed by a criminal. The man who is attacked by robbers at night, in a dark wood, or anywhere, undoubtedly hopes and hopes that he may yet escape until the very moment of his death. There are plenty of instances of a man running away, or imploring for mercy--at all events hoping on in some degree--even after his throat was cut. But in the case of an execution, that last hope--having which it is so immeasurably less dreadful to die,--is taken away from the wretch and certainty substituted in its place! There is his sentence, and with it that terrible certainty that he cannot possibly escape death--which, I consider, must be the most dreadful anguish in the world. You may place a soldier before a cannon's mouth in battle, and fire upon him--and he will still hope. But read to that same soldier his death-sentence, and he will either go mad or burst into tears. Who dares to say that any man can suffer this without going mad? No, no! it is an abuse, a shame, it is unnecessary--why should such a thing exist? Doubtless there may be men who have been sentenced, who have suffered this mental anguish for a while and then have been reprieved; perhaps such men may have been able to relate their feelings afterwards. Our Lord Christ spoke of this anguish and dread. No! no! no! No man should be treated so, no man, no man!"

"He said that those five minutes seemed to him to be a most interminable period, an enormous wealth of time; he seemed to be living, in these minutes, so many lives that there was no need as yet to think of that last moment, so that he made several arrangements, dividing up the time into portions--one for saying farewell to his companions, two minutes for that; then a couple more for thinking over his own life and career and all about himself; and another minute for a last look around. He remembered having divided his time like this quite well. While saying good- bye to his friends he recollected asking one of them some very usual everyday question, and being much interested in the answer. Then having bade farewell, he embarked upon those two minutes which he had allotted to looking into himself; he knew beforehand what he was going to think about. He wished to put it to himself as quickly and clearly as possible, that here was he, a living, thinking man, and that in three minutes he would be nobody; or if somebody or something, then what and where? He thought he would decide this question once for all in these last three minutes. A little way off there stood a church, and its gilded spire glittered in the sun. He remembered staring stubbornly at this spire, and at the rays of light sparkling from it. He could not tear his eyes from these rays of light; he got the idea that these rays were his new nature, and that in three minutes he would become one of them, amalgamated somehow with them.

"The repugnance to what must ensue almost immediately, and the uncertainty, were dreadful, he said; but worst of all was the idea, 'What should I do if I were not to die now? What if I were to return to life again? What an eternity of days, and all mine! How I should grudge and count up every minute of it, so as to waste not a single instant!' He said that this thought weighed so upon him and became such a terrible burden upon his brain that he could not bear it, and wished they would shoot him quickly and have done with it."

. . .

"You probably wish to deduce, prince," said Alexandra, "that moments of time cannot be reckoned by money value, and that sometimes five minutes are worth priceless treasures. All this is very praiseworthy; but may I ask about this friend of yours, who told you the terrible experience of his life? He was reprieved, you say; in other words, they did restore to him that 'eternity of days.' What did he do with these riches of time? Did he keep careful account of his minutes?"

"Oh no, he didn't! I asked him myself. He said that he had not lived a bit as he had intended, and had wasted many, and many a minute."

"Very well, then there's an experiment, and the thing is proved; one cannot live and count each moment; say what you like, but one cannot."
 

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Peter Langdijk said:
This is not an simple yay or nay question, this is much more complicated.

Say for example you got sentenced to death by means of electric chair, be technically dead for a few moments, and then an aftershock reanimates you, are you then a free man?

You have been sentenced to death, and you technically died, so what happens?

Another example, you got sentenced to death by means of an firing squad, get shot in the head, and survive because it was an slow round (happend before so it's real), are you then a free man?

I have been thinking about this for 3 weeks now and still have not found an anwser.
Please give your opinion on this matter.

EDIT: fixt the typo's
you were sentenced to death, I.E. to be dead, not to be executed. Reload and kill em again.
 

Voidrunner

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No I doubt they would free you unless it was really getting riddiculously hard to kill you, in all the cases I've heard they just try again until you die.
 

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Peter Langdijk said:
You have been sentenced to death, and you technically died, so what happens?

Another example, you got sentenced to death by means of an firing squad, get shot in the head, and survive because it was an slow round (happend before so it's real), are you then a free man?
Unfortunately no, in both cases they simply kill you again.

In the case of the chair, you keep getting shocked until a doctor confirms you to be dead, then they hang onto your body for a while to make sure.

For a firing squad, if the initial volley fails to kill you, an officer will deliver the Coup de Grace. Either a pistol shot to the head or heart at point blank range, or decapitation by sword.

Either way, they make sure you are most definately dead.
 

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Zhukov said:
The purpose of a death sentence is to permanently end the life of the convicted individual.

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This is a short and boring post, so I'm going to spice it up with an tangentially related incident I once read about.

In WWII during the battle of Stalingrad a Russian soldier (can't remember his name) was charged with deserting his post. He was found guilty and sentenced to death by firing squad. They placed him up against a wall, shot him and then buried the body in a shallow grave. Several hours later he staggered into his unit's headquarters, caked in dirt and bleeding from several wounds, and reported for duty. He was promptly arrested, marched back to the same wall and executed for a second time. This time there was a doctor present to confirm his death. However before the doctor could check the dead man's vital signs the area came under artillery fire. The doctor and the firing squad ran for cover. The "dead" man took this opportunity to leap to his feet and make a run for it. He was last seen heading for the German lines, presumably with the intention of defecting.
As badass as that dude sounds, i'm willing to bet that the germans shot him too :p

OT:

Personally, I think if a government wants someone dead, they'll just try again and again.
 

DkryptX3

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Atleast in america I know the medical definition of death is no longer cardiac arrest but it is now full 100% full brain death, I don't know of any way to come back from that one. In theory if you died then came back to life, sentence is served and someone could pull the whole human rights card; but the chance of that happening in reality is slim to none.
 

kickyourass

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I'm pretty sure the point of a death sentence is that you DON"T survive. If somehow you survive one attempt they'll just keep going until they get it right.
 

Archemetis

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Under the circumstances you've provided examples for, no, they probably wouldn't let you live.

Now if you were sent to a Warrior's death... That may be a different question.

You're tried for the act of.. I dunno something that warrants you being murdered by law.

Your sentence is to be cast into 'beast pit' or something of that persuasion...

You're given no armour or weapons but you manage to survive days in by killing beasts with your bare hands and eating the meat you tore from the bones you used to make a fire...

In my mind that would warrant letting you off, or at least just replacing the beast pit idea with, 'cast into the BEASTSLAYER pit!'
 

Vault boy Eddie

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There is no get out of jail free card if you survive your initial execution. They have to keep trying till you do in fact die.
 

Genixma

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Nah, your still going to be killed. But if I did survive the first time around I'd ask "if it's death by lethal injection why do you sterilize the needle? I'm going to die anyway."
 

Lilani

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I think execution is one of those "kill them til they're dead" situations, so I'd probably just laugh and ask them "Best two out of three?" before they have another go.
 

Dirkie

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I'd ask them to try again untill they finally get me dead.
After all, if i end up with a death sentence, i'd probably deserve it.
 

Dieter Meyer

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If you are sentenced to death and survive the "way of killing" you should be killed again.

There's a reason they sentence you do death, and not sentence you to "shot in the head".

If you were sentenced to be shot in the head and survived however, you'd be a free man.

Death means dead.
 

Sarah Kerrigan

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I'd pull the Price and Mactavish move by going out of the country, living with horrible amensia.

Basically a cooler version of Salt mixed with Modern Warfare 2. God it would be cool.
 

DasDestroyer

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I'd say no. The sentence is that you become a corpse and get buried/used for science, so they'd probably keep trying to execute you until you die.
 

emeraldrafael

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No, when they say dead, they mean you STAY dead. So they'll either fry you again right there, or they'll just take you back to your cell, get ready for anoter day, and have at it again.

If you prove stubborn, they'll try a new way to kill you.

Point is, society says you are going to die, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.

There's no way around it.
 

Light 086

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If I survive? Of course I will survive!!! They can't fucking kill me!!!

OT: I'll have to agree with a few people on this thread, in that they will try again. I know of several cases where executions failed and they try again later (had to do an essay on the death penalty last year). They give prisoners about 10 years in which they can exhaust their appeals (and sometimes have a retrial) to overturn their sentence. If they fail, the only way out is death by natural causes or suicide.
 

dWintermut3

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Once upon a time, in more primitive eras, it was often taken as a "sign from god" if you survived your execution. There are numerous cases from England in the 19th century where people lived and were let go. One even became a minor celebrity as "half-hang't mary" or something like that.

Nowadays they use methods that are as close to foolproof as possible, the invention of the long-drop method of hanging sovled a lot of the problem with people being choked unconscious then reviving.