Serial Killer Round 68: - Cylon Invasion - Cycle 9 - Game Over! The Killer has Won!

[Scars Unseen]

And I am focusing on the only person I have to suspect, which is you. By admitting you voted for Revenant, you have made yourself even more suspect, because only 4 people voted for him, which we can assume was the Killer, the Lawyer, and the Trickster and one random. And even if you were the random, you still voted to kill the Priest when everyone else was able to figure out he was sincere and didn't vote for him save the others so named that wanted him dead for being the Priest. In other words, I've now got even more reason to be suspicious of you for the same reason I was suspicious of crimson before he was killed.

Okay, I've got to ask: where are you getting 4 people voting from? All we know is that SR got voted out and that the Trickster shifted votes to him. Assuming that the Trickster, the Lawyer and the Killer all voted for SR, that's 5 votes at a minimum(including the 2 that the Trickster ability converted over from Aerosteam's 1), but there's no way of knowing what the maximum is.

That said, BeerTent's reveal doesn't exactly help his position. There were some pretty compelling arguments put out there for not executing SR in the first round regardless of whether you believed him or not. By admitting to contributing to the execution of our Priest even in the face of those arguments, he's greatly increased the odds of him being one of the three, at least above any other available suspects.

 

[FPLOON]

my SO wants me to practice things that Fploon would get giddy about.

Love you too, BT... *blows kiss*

If love is what you want, I'm not so sure I can give you that. Unless you count Nylon Rope and a beating with a paddle as "love."

Depends on who's who in the given situation...

I'm a switch baby, that shit don't matter. >:3 Could be me today, you tomorrow.

I'm a dimmer switch, honey... Always on, but with many different settings...

]Not a bad start... I'll list first while crossing off any potential innocent ones, I guess:Caramel Frappe
Twintix
Aerosteam
Fractral
Armadox
gritch
FPLOON
Headsprouter
snekadid
kingofkumquats
DoPo
Shazskywalker
BeerTent
altnameJag
Pseudonym
Zeconte
Dr. Crawver

Since discussion has largely died and this is the only big thing we have to discuss at the moment, it would be nice to hear an explanation as to why Caramel Frappe, Aerosteam, Armadox, snekadid, Shazskywalker, BeerTent, altnameJag and Dr. Crawver were all ruled out as innocent on this list. I mean, I'll count FPLOON as a given for being crossed out since it's his list, not that it actually rules him out or anything, but why the confidence in half the people left being innocent this early into the game? What reasoning are you using to declare their innocence?

Well, both Caramel Frappe and Aerosteam's post are too true to be suspicious of being the Killer right now... Armadox is too wild of a card to consider Killer-guilty, especially considering that Caramel hasn't been murdered yet... snekadid's not dead yet by execution on top of being a kitten... Shazskywalker, according to BeerTent, is "likely clean", which makes BeerTent innocent for even trying to assume anyone's innocent in the first place... altnameJag and Dr. Crawver's post lack any true suspicion yet, so there's that... Then again, I did say "any potential ones" since they are all still not out of the gate yet considering they could still side with the Killer with or without a role at this point... The list, itself, is more of a "Who could be the Killer" list and not a "Who could be siding with the Killer/has the role of the Lawyer" list on top of me later saying, in that exact same post, [that] "I don't think my head's in the right place to make any good accusations right now...", so overall, the whole list is purely subjective and could be altered to fit anyone's current suspicions...

@Secondhand Revenant: I have no master... nor am I a master to anyone... I am my own women and no one else!

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@BeerTent: If you were assigned a role, you would indeed have received more PM's regarding it; however, those can be deleted and going by my own trash bin, messages in the trash are removed after a day, as I delete chat notifications on a daily basis and currently only have ones I've deleted today in my trash bin, which means all you had to do was delete those messages and then make the video the next day. So again, that isn't really proof of anything, whereas showing you weren't one of the people who voted for Secondhand Revenant who you voted for would have been. In fact, you posted yesterday that you would have posted a video then, but the program you'd use was being a pain and wanting to update, and this could have easily been an excuse to hide the fact that you had just deleted said messages and had to wait a day before they were gone from the trash.

Also, appealing to Aerosteam vouching for you doesn't really work, because just because you did it some other time and that time you were telling the truth, doesn't mean you're relying on people to fall for your lie this time.

And again, I just find it highly suspect how you showed the PM accepting your sign up, showed PM's from previous games, but specifically avoided showing the PM's about your vote, especially given their titles, which though may be just themed for the game itself, could also specifically be themed because you are, in fact, our robotic killer.

@Zeconte:

I did vote for Revenant. Because I thought he was lying. I've never denied that. I expected either the lawyer or a bad slip-up as the killer. I initially rolled the dice and targeted Aero, but then Secondhand was too suspicious for me afterward. Now Aero had an alibi, and I roll the dice again. I'm reluctantly targeting DoPo this time. I know who your voting for round 2, and now that I've shared who I've voted for round one, perhaps you should do the same?

Furthermore... The warning notice was actually deleted 2 days ago. It's still there. I have no idea how long those PM's hang around in the bucket. But I know they're not indefinite. I deleted that after I got home on Wednesday. If there's a log somewhere, or a way to find out when it was deleted, I'd be more than happy to show you.

All in all, you seem to be focusing very hard on me. You seem to have a strong desire to control the votes. Aero and Fploon have both trusted me, so why is it that you, are so adamant on me? I'm trying to build a list that we can all work on, something that we can focus, and narrow down... But you... It's all finger-pointing. Tent! Tent! Baby, I'm beautiful. You gotta learn to love. Be smart on this, and think it through.

Just think... If you were the killer, if you could rally everyone against a random innocent during the day, and then kill at night... You'd win in no time, wouldn't you?

We should focus on narrowing down who's likely innocent, not focus on offing random people because one person said so. I've got my proof, where's yours?

There is a way to settle this. Now personally I am not fond of this evidence thing, if we do it too much then the killer will need to jump through absurd hoops to not have to produce this evidence. Personally I'd suggest we not go this far in the future.

BUT FOR NOW... There is more proof you can give BeerTent. There is one thing that doesn't get deleted. Sent messages. If you show your sent message box it would take a fair bit of effort to somehow have a video with that not showing any potential murderer PMs telling Demagogue your target.

Again, I say I don't like the precedent it sets since everyone can do this and everyone who doesn't go through this major effort will be suspect and I don't find that fun. But since you already went this far this time...?

Edit: of course this assumes he didn't message him some roundabout way. Like telling an escapist steam friend to message Demagogue for him. And I have to say, the problem is this evidence isn't gonna be conclusive. I am suspicious whenever someone pushes really hard for evidence a dedicated killer could fake. Especially when there's heavy dedication in producing said proof. Someone who goes to far lengths could also go to far lengths as a killer.

So this wouldn't clear BeerTent completely. However if this is an elaborate ruse then I think if he were the killer and was aware of the sent box, and messaged Demagogue in a roundabout way he would have showed the sent box too. So if he shows it then I think at least the likelihood is reduced. Could still have been ignorant of send box AND used a roundabout means for other reasons.

 

[Demagogue]

Just wanted to clear this up, I wasn't under the impression I had to announce the Entwined. They are a role strictly used for when we have an odd numbers of players, but in my limited amount of rounds playing, I've never seen the GM announce them. So if I was supposed to... (There isn't anywhere that I've seen that says I should have)

Then that's on me. Sorry folks.


Carry on! You've got about 5-6 hours left before voting ends. (I'm too lazy to do math at 6:30AM EST)

@Caramel: You're album is set to Private... I could friend you if you want to do it that way... I suppose j/k

 

[BeerTent]

Ladies and gentlemen. The video, to end all videos. RAN OUT OF FUCKS!

I actually never knew you couldn't delete sent mail. I went in and checked it before I did the video and lo' and behold. Holy shit. There's no way to remove that embarrassing message I almost sent Fploon about what would happen if we shared a 24 and a St.Andrews cross. It's Saturday morning man... Just drives me nuts that I gotta keep digging up this program and re-learning to use it. I was supposed to never touch it until I had the patience to start up Youtube again. And that is a long ways away as I don't have any editing software.

If anyone's interested in Anubis as well, (He's a pretend AI for Eliteangerous) Here's his reddit thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2u791u/anubis_for_voice_attack_free_to_good_home_3]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65110350/Critique%286%29.mp4

 

[gritch]

I'd like a weigh in a bit to the discussion.

And I am focusing on the only person I have to suspect, which is you. By admitting you voted for Revenant, you have made yourself even more suspect, because only 4 people voted for him, which we can assume was the Killer, the Lawyer, and the Trickster and one random.

I'll echo what others have pointed out but how do you know 4 people voted for Revenant? No one is really given voting information directly but we can cess out a bit of information at least. We can probably assume the Killer, Lawyer, and Trickster all voted for Revenant. Together that would be a total of 4 votes for Revenant. The only way we could be sure someone other than those 3 voted for him would be if you somehow managed to convince 5 people to vote for someone else. Getting 5 people to vote together has been difficult. Even with almost absolute evidence that someone is the Lawyer/Killer at most they manage to gather 7 votes. See here [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qR4oiQfTkCfa2fXPGLDSxdRYXl6SqyUbtyDwXUtO1FM/edit#gid=393396103] and here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/Serial-Killer-Group?c_page=8]. That's with hard evidence - getting 5 people to vote on nothing but suspicion is almost impossible.

That said even if you were the Killer or Lawyer you'd have almost less information on who voted for Revenant. Odds are you're neither but you are twisting facts pretty hard to fit your theory. Don't do that.

Several people have mentioned we should stop each randomly voting so might I propose we vote instead by lottery? We have someone who's dead that we all trust randomly select a name from the list of people still alive and we agree to vote for the person selected. It's not great but at this point the game has basically turned into randomly voting. At least with this we increase our chances a bit.

The question would be who should do the selection. My vote would be to have Scars do it. He was our Spy so we can probably trust him to be on our side and he hasn't been able to do much unfortunately.

 

[Scars Unseen]

'Fraid I'll have to abstain on that for reasons I won't be able to explain just now. Not a bad idea, but I shouldn't be the one making that decision. Maybe go with our Priest instead.

 

[gritch]

'Fraid I'll have to abstain on that for reasons I won't be able to explain just now. Not a bad idea, but I shouldn't be the one making that decision. Maybe go with our Priest instead.

Must be maddening to be sitting on that that information and not being able to share it, eh? Right but it wouldn't really matter for this round of voting anyway but this is probably the best time to start planning for next round. So ya the Priest would be the next best choice.

 

[Demagogue]

[HEADING=1]Judgement has been passed upon another member of the crew![/HEADING]

 

[Twintix]

Eugh, it's been too hot over here for me to really focus and take part in this round.

I just go with my gut instinct as usual. Even if it's wrong. We'll see who got offed this time.

 

[Scars Unseen]

Well then. Let's see what we got this time around. Will it be the arbiter? The medic perhaps? We seem to have a pattern going on; how far will it continue?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

'Fraid I'll have to abstain on that for reasons I won't be able to explain just now. Not a bad idea, but I shouldn't be the one making that decision. Maybe go with our Priest instead.

Must be maddening to be sitting on that that information and not being able to share it, eh? Right but it wouldn't really matter for this round of voting anyway but this is probably the best time to start planning for next round. So ya the Priest would be the next best choice.

Well that's a concerning bit of power... I'd rather just give my opinion. If people want to follow it well then that's good...

Personally I'd go for Armadox now.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Ladies and gentlemen. The video, to end all videos. RAN OUT OF FUCKS!

I actually never knew you couldn't delete sent mail. I went in and checked it before I did the video and lo' and behold. Holy shit. There's no way to remove that embarrassing message I almost sent Fploon about what would happen if we shared a 24 and a St.Andrews cross. It's Saturday morning man... Just drives me nuts that I gotta keep digging up this program and re-learning to use it. I was supposed to never touch it until I had the patience to start up Youtube again. And that is a long ways away as I don't have any editing software.

If anyone's interested in Anubis as well, (He's a pretend AI for Eliteangerous) Here's his reddit thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2u791u/anubis_for_voice_attack_free_to_good_home_3]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65110350/Critique%286%29.mp4

Well I haven't checked the video yet but assuming it'd be crazy to lie about it, you definitely moved down my list of suspects.

Could still have decided to try to communicate via roundabout methods but that's still less likely in my opinion.

 

[Armadox]

Personally I'd go for Armadox now.

What have I ever done to you?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Personally I'd go for Armadox now.

What have I ever done to you?

Well you're playing serial killer right now! That's enough of a reason to suspect anyone =P

But really because I found your reasoning for going after me a bit sketchy. It's not much but then there's almost no reason to go after anyone.

 

[Armadox]

Personally I'd go for Armadox now.

What have I ever done to you?

Well you're playing serial killer right now! That's enough of a reason to suspect anyone =P

But really because I found your reasoning for going after me a bit sketchy. It's not much but then there's almost no reason to go after anyone.

I stand behind my opinion. Also. You're dead, you're not allowed to hold a grudge. Thems the rules that I just made up.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Personally I'd go for Armadox now.

What have I ever done to you?

Well you're playing serial killer right now! That's enough of a reason to suspect anyone =P

But really because I found your reasoning for going after me a bit sketchy. It's not much but then there's almost no reason to go after anyone.

I stand behind my opinion. Also. You're dead, you're not allowed to hold a grudge. Thems the rules that I just made up.

It's not a grudge. It's just I'm the only dead guy who was executed and not murdered, or now arbited... Next time when someone argues to execute the spy or priest I'll definitely be looking at them =P

 

[snekadid]

Personally I'd go for Armadox now.

What have I ever done to you?

Well you're playing serial killer right now! That's enough of a reason to suspect anyone =P

But really because I found your reasoning for going after me a bit sketchy. It's not much but then there's almost no reason to go after anyone.

I stand behind my opinion. Also. You're dead, you're not allowed to hold a grudge. Thems the rules that I just made up.

Sure he can, there's like a ton of horror movies called the grudge that show precedent. Now revenant will turn into a evil little asian girl or kat boy and haunt people.

 

[BeerTent]

I think the cat boy would be adorable.

Please come back as a cat-boy, @Secondhand. I've got this cute little collar with a tag on it shaped like a fish. We can set out bowls for you to eat out of and take you for walks. And we'll hug you and pet you and love you forever... And we'll also probably call you George because nobody else will love you with a name like "George."

 

[Demagogue]

why does this round keep going to weird places...