Serial Killer Round 68: - Cylon Invasion - Cycle 9 - Game Over! The Killer has Won!

[Armadox]

The difference with Frappe and Gritch is their accusations were far more random. There wasn't much to lose by letting me live one round and a lot more to gain. Just based on an analysis of benefit for waiting to kill me vs benefit to waiting it seems suspicious

How is that any better? I had what I thought was proof, and even stepped away myself. My regret was done in by the trickster, not because of my words. Least I have been trying to show some evidence of my accusations, and not just toss someone in the airlock via typo or baseless suspicion.

Anyways, all considered. I didn't even vote for them anyways.. My votes have been anti-FPLOON.

 

[Pseudonym]

If nobody has a better idea I'm still continuing on my quest to kill Armadox. I will repeat myself, his post is the only reason why I ever heard that Revenant might have been the priest.

I have to say that your insistence on continuing to bring that up even after SR himself admitted that he was the one who slipped up and outed himself as the priest is in and of itself suspicious. That Armadox is the person you saw it posted from first is irrelevant if he isn't the original source.

What does it matter who is the original source of the information? It was spread further by Armadox. Not only that, but it was spread allong with saying he suspected SR of being the lawyer. Something that would be flat out suicidal for the lawyer. Assuming that SR was the priest, a safe bet at that point, doing that puts the priest, hence the spy, hence all of us in great danger.

Tell me this. How would I have known about SR being the priest if not for the posts of people who weren't SR accusing him of being a bad guy when he had just claimed a goodguy role? Because wherever SR slipped up, I didn't see that and thus you could have prevented me from knowing that. If we assume the bad guys might be in the same position I am this means you might have been able to prevent the bad guys from knowing that. If he was a bad guy we could have waited a round and have killed him after that if he hadn't safed the spy by then. Because I looked at the thread prior to armadox' post and I looked at the posts in the serial killer user group. I don't see where SR told anyone he is the priest. If he did so in PM's that's a mistake but those PM's should have remained PM's with the stress on that 'P' until after the priest sacrificed themselves. Or are there other venues of communication where he leaked that info?

All that needed to happen was that the priest would survive for another round or so. It should have been kept as quiet as possible. If you are one of the two bad guys up against 18 good guys, claiming a role you are not is suicidal. I'll link a post by Gritch where he explains this and I'm honestly not sure why anyone wouldn't at least wait until the priest could have revived anyone before they put somebody who was likely the priest in such danger.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.877540-Serial-Killer-Round-68-Cylon-Invasion-Cycle-3-VOTE-VOTE-VOTE-AVENGE-THE-MEDIC?page=7#22102699

Maybe Armadox judged the situation differently then I would have but I have seen countless people in similar games claim roles and none of them ever lied about it. This game has very few bad guys and a lot of good guys. The idea that SR should be accused of anything at that point assumes that he is an epicly incompetent lawyer or killer and goes against my prior experience with games like these. Maybe you guys' experiences are different and you've been in plenty of games with people falsely claiming roles but for me that is a very rare occurence. Which is why I find accusations in his direction at that point sketchy. It isn't just that I disagree with them, it's that I have a hard time believing somebody who has played at least four more of these games (Armadox has played serial killer since at least round 64 if I have dug correctly) would do that. They might, maybe Armadox just judged the situation differently than I would have but I'm not sure I believe that.

You've been gunning for me since the beginning, and I think even if I had said nothing it'd have been the same.

I want to draw attention to the fact that either Armadox doesn't factcheck himself or this is a flat-out lie. I looked through my posts and I defy you to find any suspicion or even mention of Armadox until page 9. You posted your suspicions of SR on page 7. I see one other possible explanation for this mistake but I'll wait for Armadox to bring that up if he can think of it.

At this point I give Armadox at least a 50/50 shot of being a bad guy. There is nobody else whom I mistrust to that level so I think I'm going to keep voting for him until he is dead or a better suspect shows himself.

 

[Armadox]

Cute. No, I didn't fact check the exact amount of times you've pointed the finger at me. I'm at work. I knew you did.. I didn't remember you calling for blood on anyone else. I called it as I remembered it. Do you really think I've the time to comb 9 pages before posting? I'm not nearly so focused. I think you'd be able to end this rather then kill off an innocent..

Yes, I have had a few goes, but we're dealing with new folk, with new mentalities.. Yes, I figured on a hunch that someone was playing their hand at being a different role. It happens. Especially since all the priest had to do is keep quiet and he'd have lived. No loss, and I'd have still voted for FPLOON, same as always. He didn't.. he died, and Gritch had convinced me to stop accusing him. I actually did quit when the logic was different.

You're sounding mad, man. Mad.. I think others are seeing that too..

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Well this has gotten tense in here. Luckily Zeconte is staying low so my prediction doesn't come true

 

[Aerosteam]

Okay, what's been happening lately? I'm usually not the one to be out of touch with this game, but can someone put me up to speed on who's the most suspicious so I can vote for them? Only asking because if we all vote for one person it reduces the chance of the Killer/Lawyer/Trickster to get an execution they want.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

The difference with Frappe and Gritch is their accusations were far more random. There wasn't much to lose by letting me live one round and a lot more to gain. Just based on an analysis of benefit for waiting to kill me vs benefit to waiting it seems suspicious

How is that any better? I had what I thought was proof, and even stepped away myself. My regret was done in by the trickster, not because of my words. Least I have been trying to show some evidence of my accusations, and not just toss someone in the airlock via typo or baseless suspicion.

Anyways, all considered. I didn't even vote for them anyways.. My votes have been anti-FPLOON.

Well yes but the reasonable thing to do with the evidence given was to delay execution by one round. So I'd count that as negative in light of the evidence. Maybe you didn't think it was most reasonable to delay but can we just assume that without any suspicion? I'm inclined to think along the lines of assuming everyone is perfectly informed and then suspecting those who deviate from it. Always accurate? No way, but I tend to be paranoid.

Random is just neutral when you have nothing much to go on though, that's why I suspect them less. When they can't make a more informed decision how can we hold it against them?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

50 bucks to whoever guessed the medic!

I don't think anyone would have guessed it... I was the Medic in the last game and it's unlikely to have the same role two rounds in a row. I wasn't a really good Medic in either anyway though

Well you didn't have much you could do with how things were going...

 

[Armadox]

The difference with Frappe and Gritch is their accusations were far more random. There wasn't much to lose by letting me live one round and a lot more to gain. Just based on an analysis of benefit for waiting to kill me vs benefit to waiting it seems suspicious

How is that any better? I had what I thought was proof, and even stepped away myself. My regret was done in by the trickster, not because of my words. Least I have been trying to show some evidence of my accusations, and not just toss someone in the airlock via typo or baseless suspicion.

Anyways, all considered. I didn't even vote for them anyways.. My votes have been anti-FPLOON.

Well yes but the reasonable thing to do with the evidence given was to delay execution by one round. So I'd count that as negative in light of the evidence. Maybe you didn't think it was most reasonable to delay but can we just assume that without any suspicion? I'm inclined to think along the lines of assuming everyone is perfectly informed and then suspecting those who deviate from it. Always accurate? No way, but I tend to be paranoid.

Random is just neutral when you have nothing much to go on though, that's why I suspect them less. When they can't make a more informed decision how can we hold it against them?

You're right, but I DID hold the execution for a round. I stopped pushing it, Gritch was very persuasive, and I backed off. I tried to do right, but the trickster did you in. It's not my fault. I couldn't expect the trickster to go rogue. Anymore then I could hope for the arbiter to blow up that traitor, Pseudonym. But that's ok.. I've been doing my research, and I've got something up my sleeve for him when I get home..

 

[BeerTent]

Here's what tent wants...

On Page 11, Fploon put out a list of suspects. Innocents were crossed out.

Spoiler: Dead dudes removed

Caramel Frappe
Twintix
Aerosteam
Fractral
Armadox
FPLOON
Headsprouter
snekadid
kingofkumquats
DoPo
BeerTent
altnameJag
Pseudonym
Zeconte
Dr. Crawver

And while I don't have much to base it with either, I'm liking it. It makes sense to me, but maybe it's just my affection for lists.

Here's what I want, @Fploon, put out your reasoning for this stuff, willya? I'm only guessing here on why these innocents are crossed. Of that list, I see why Caramel is innocent. Myself, obviously. I feel that Dr.Crawver is innocent. But I also want to point out that you said Shazay was innocent, which to me hints that you've been working with some of these people. If there's a group working together, I wouldn't mind knowing about it.

Honestly, those throwing out overzealous accusations are the ones I'd look at. Either that, or the silent ones. Pseudonym and Zeconte are the ones I suspect, because those two are the two I'm feeling are trying to control things. Zeconte is obviously laying low, because I had the gall to strike his accusations down. I'm also a bit iffy on Armadox, but If I follow the Fploon alliance theory, then he's likely one of the good guys.

Honestly, if it's not Pseudonym or Zeconte, then it's gotta be one of the silent people. Twintix hasn't said much, Kingofkumquats probably has yet to post, Dopo's really quiet, and those are also a few people I suspect. That's 5 people we can work with. Armadox might land on that list if he and Fploon hasn't been talking behind the scenes. Just... Guesses, really... Might as well work with my E621 homie. Even if we go there for entirely different reasons. Got nobody else to work with.

 

[Scars Unseen]

If nobody has a better idea I'm still continuing on my quest to kill Armadox. I will repeat myself, his post is the only reason why I ever heard that Revenant might have been the priest.

I have to say that your insistence on continuing to bring that up even after SR himself admitted that he was the one who slipped up and outed himself as the priest is in and of itself suspicious. That Armadox is the person you saw it posted from first is irrelevant if he isn't the original source.

What does it matter who is the original source of the information? It was spread further by Armadox. Not only that, but it was spread allong with saying he suspected SR of being the lawyer. Something that would be flat out suicidal for the lawyer. Assuming that SR was the priest, a safe bet at that point, doing that puts the priest, hence the spy, hence all of us in great danger.

Tell me this. How would I have known about SR being the priest if not for the posts of people who weren't SR accusing him of being a bad guy when he had just claimed a goodguy role? Because wherever SR slipped up, I didn't see that and thus you could have prevented me from knowing that. If we assume the bad guys might be in the same position I am this means you might have been able to prevent the bad guys from knowing that. If he was a bad guy we could have waited a round and have killed him after that if he hadn't safed the spy by then. Because I looked at the thread prior to armadox' post and I looked at the posts in the serial killer user group. I don't see where SR told anyone he is the priest. If he did so in PM's that's a mistake but those PM's should have remained PM's with the stress on that 'P' until after the priest sacrificed themselves. Or are there other venues of communication where he leaked that info?

All that needed to happen was that the priest would survive for another round or so. It should have been kept as quiet as possible. If you are one of the two bad guys up against 18 good guys, claiming a role you are not is suicidal. I'll link a post by Gritch where he explains this and I'm honestly not sure why anyone wouldn't at least wait until the priest could have revived anyone before they put somebody who was likely the priest in such danger.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.877540-Serial-Killer-Round-68-Cylon-Invasion-Cycle-3-VOTE-VOTE-VOTE-AVENGE-THE-MEDIC?page=7#22102699

Maybe Armadox judged the situation differently then I would have but I have seen countless people in similar games claim roles and none of them ever lied about it. This game has very few bad guys and a lot of good guys. The idea that SR should be accused of anything at that point assumes that he is an epicly incompetent lawyer or killer and goes against my prior experience with games like these. Maybe you guys' experiences are different and you've been in plenty of games with people falsely claiming roles but for me that is a very rare occurence. Which is why I find accusations in his direction at that point sketchy. It isn't just that I disagree with them, it's that I have a hard time believing somebody who has played at least four more of these games (Armadox has played serial killer since at least round 64 if I have dug correctly) would do that. They might, maybe Armadox just judged the situation differently than I would have but I'm not sure I believe that.

You've been gunning for me since the beginning, and I think even if I had said nothing it'd have been the same.

I want to draw attention to the fact that either Armadox doesn't factcheck himself or this is a flat-out lie. I looked through my posts and I defy you to find any suspicion or even mention of Armadox until page 9. You posted your suspicions of SR on page 7. I see one other possible explanation for this mistake but I'll wait for Armadox to bring that up if he can think of it.

At this point I give Armadox at least a 50/50 shot of being a bad guy. There is nobody else whom I mistrust to that level so I think I'm going to keep voting for him until he is dead or a better suspect shows himself.

Youhave been playing this game, right? People have been jumping all over anyone who makes the least bit of a slip up, real or perceived. You're doing it right now. I have no proof that Armadox isn't a bad guy, but what you're presenting isn't proof that he is. You have a suspicion, but the way you are honing in on him despite being told that your suspicion is flimsy as hell also presents suspicion. It would be like blaming the people that were pointing out the typo earlier; that's just how this game works when no solid evidence exists.

As for no one ever lying about their roles, Gritch just did it a couple rounds ago. He got caught out on it, and we successfully killed the lawyer as a result. So that reasoning is also contradictory to evidence.

And on the topic not saving the priest, you're all equally guilty of that. The moment the priest was potentially outed, the priest was dead unless you all agreed on a sacrificial target, which you did not. You had the killer and the laywer voting for him, and the Trickster was a pretty good bet as well, meaning you would have had to overcome a minimum of 5 votes in order to save SR. Not realizing that and working towards a consensus was on every survivor of the round at that point.

 

[Demagogue]

As for no one ever lying about their roles, Gritch just did it a couple rounds ago. He got caught out on it, and we successfully killed the lawyer as a result. So that reasoning is also contradictory to evidence.

Technically speaking pretended to be the medic last round too... but I had already killed myself at that point

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

If nobody has a better idea I'm still continuing on my quest to kill Armadox. I will repeat myself, his post is the only reason why I ever heard that Revenant might have been the priest.

I have to say that your insistence on continuing to bring that up even after SR himself admitted that he was the one who slipped up and outed himself as the priest is in and of itself suspicious. That Armadox is the person you saw it posted from first is irrelevant if he isn't the original source.

What does it matter who is the original source of the information? It was spread further by Armadox. Not only that, but it was spread allong with saying he suspected SR of being the lawyer. Something that would be flat out suicidal for the lawyer. Assuming that SR was the priest, a safe bet at that point, doing that puts the priest, hence the spy, hence all of us in great danger.

Tell me this. How would I have known about SR being the priest if not for the posts of people who weren't SR accusing him of being a bad guy when he had just claimed a goodguy role? Because wherever SR slipped up, I didn't see that and thus you could have prevented me from knowing that. If we assume the bad guys might be in the same position I am this means you might have been able to prevent the bad guys from knowing that. If he was a bad guy we could have waited a round and have killed him after that if he hadn't safed the spy by then. Because I looked at the thread prior to armadox' post and I looked at the posts in the serial killer user group. I don't see where SR told anyone he is the priest. If he did so in PM's that's a mistake but those PM's should have remained PM's with the stress on that 'P' until after the priest sacrificed themselves. Or are there other venues of communication where he leaked that info?

All that needed to happen was that the priest would survive for another round or so. It should have been kept as quiet as possible. If you are one of the two bad guys up against 18 good guys, claiming a role you are not is suicidal. I'll link a post by Gritch where he explains this and I'm honestly not sure why anyone wouldn't at least wait until the priest could have revived anyone before they put somebody who was likely the priest in such danger.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.877540-Serial-Killer-Round-68-Cylon-Invasion-Cycle-3-VOTE-VOTE-VOTE-AVENGE-THE-MEDIC?page=7#22102699

Maybe Armadox judged the situation differently then I would have but I have seen countless people in similar games claim roles and none of them ever lied about it. This game has very few bad guys and a lot of good guys. The idea that SR should be accused of anything at that point assumes that he is an epicly incompetent lawyer or killer and goes against my prior experience with games like these. Maybe you guys' experiences are different and you've been in plenty of games with people falsely claiming roles but for me that is a very rare occurence. Which is why I find accusations in his direction at that point sketchy. It isn't just that I disagree with them, it's that I have a hard time believing somebody who has played at least four more of these games (Armadox has played serial killer since at least round 64 if I have dug correctly) would do that. They might, maybe Armadox just judged the situation differently than I would have but I'm not sure I believe that.

You've been gunning for me since the beginning, and I think even if I had said nothing it'd have been the same.

I want to draw attention to the fact that either Armadox doesn't factcheck himself or this is a flat-out lie. I looked through my posts and I defy you to find any suspicion or even mention of Armadox until page 9. You posted your suspicions of SR on page 7. I see one other possible explanation for this mistake but I'll wait for Armadox to bring that up if he can think of it.

At this point I give Armadox at least a 50/50 shot of being a bad guy. There is nobody else whom I mistrust to that level so I think I'm going to keep voting for him until he is dead or a better suspect shows himself.

I was definitely the original source and I tried to tell people because I slipped up and was worried the killer might have seen. It was in a post in the thread, not PMs. Only one PM to the person I accidentally alerted at first. I wouldn't blame him for spreading it, I wanted to get it out there so I wouldn't get killed by the killer.

I expect the killer to be the most diligent so if I said it in the thread I don't think it hurts to spread it.

 

[Armadox]

This is, of course, assuming you don't accidentally execute the Priest or anything.

We can always just execute random people until we stumble upon the killer by accident or until somebody acts too weird.

If nobody has a better idea I'm still continuing on my quest to kill Armadox. I will repeat myself, his post is the only reason why I ever heard that Revenant might have been the priest.

I have to say that your insistence on continuing to bring that up even after SR himself admitted that he was the one who slipped up and outed himself as the priest is in and of itself suspicious. That Armadox is the person you saw it posted from first is irrelevant if he isn't the original source.

What does it matter who is the original source of the information? It was spread further by Armadox. Not only that, but it was spread allong with saying he suspected SR of being the lawyer. Something that would be flat out suicidal for the lawyer. Assuming that SR was the priest, a safe bet at that point, doing that puts the priest, hence the spy, hence all of us in great danger.

Tell me this. How would I have known about SR being the priest if not for the posts of people who weren't SR accusing him of being a bad guy when he had just claimed a goodguy role? Because wherever SR slipped up, I didn't see that and thus you could have prevented me from knowing that. If we assume the bad guys might be in the same position I am this means you might have been able to prevent the bad guys from knowing that. If he was a bad guy we could have waited a round and have killed him after that if he hadn't safed the spy by then. Because I looked at the thread prior to armadox' post and I looked at the posts in the serial killer user group. I don't see where SR told anyone he is the priest. If he did so in PM's that's a mistake but those PM's should have remained PM's with the stress on that 'P' until after the priest sacrificed themselves. Or are there other venues of communication where he leaked that info?

All that needed to happen was that the priest would survive for another round or so. It should have been kept as quiet as possible. If you are one of the two bad guys up against 18 good guys, claiming a role you are not is suicidal. I'll link a post by Gritch where he explains this and I'm honestly not sure why anyone wouldn't at least wait until the priest could have revived anyone before they put somebody who was likely the priest in such danger.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.877540-Serial-Killer-Round-68-Cylon-Invasion-Cycle-3-VOTE-VOTE-VOTE-AVENGE-THE-MEDIC?page=7#22102699

Maybe Armadox judged the situation differently then I would have but I have seen countless people in similar games claim roles and none of them ever lied about it. This game has very few bad guys and a lot of good guys. The idea that SR should be accused of anything at that point assumes that he is an epicly incompetent lawyer or killer and goes against my prior experience with games like these. Maybe you guys' experiences are different and you've been in plenty of games with people falsely claiming roles but for me that is a very rare occurence. Which is why I find accusations in his direction at that point sketchy. It isn't just that I disagree with them, it's that I have a hard time believing somebody who has played at least four more of these games (Armadox has played serial killer since at least round 64 if I have dug correctly) would do that. They might, maybe Armadox just judged the situation differently than I would have but I'm not sure I believe that.

You've been gunning for me since the beginning, and I think even if I had said nothing it'd have been the same.

I want to draw attention to the fact that either Armadox doesn't factcheck himself or this is a flat-out lie. I looked through my posts and I defy you to find any suspicion or even mention of Armadox until page 9. You posted your suspicions of SR on page 7. I see one other possible explanation for this mistake but I'll wait for Armadox to bring that up if he can think of it.

At this point I give Armadox at least a 50/50 shot of being a bad guy. There is nobody else whom I mistrust to that level so I think I'm going to keep voting for him until he is dead or a better suspect shows himself.

I was definitely the original source and I tried to tell people because I slipped up and was worried the killer might have seen. It was in a post in the thread, not PMs. Only one PM to the person I accidentally alerted at first. I wouldn't blame him for spreading it, I wanted to get it out there so I wouldn't get killed by the killer.

I expect the killer to be the most diligent so if I said it in the thread I don't think it hurts to spread it.

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You know when the person who got killed vouches for me, I'm surprised how you can't step off rookie. FPLOON was after me too, and he stopped, Crimson, Gritch.. Every other person that pushed at me has finally nodded realizing I'm dumb but harmless. If you've been looking at me from other Rounds, you'll notice I can not be trusted with a role. If I was the killer, Frappe would be dead. If I was the lawyer I'd have lied to the killer, and Frappe would be dead. If I was the trickster, I'd have taken votes from SR and Frappe would be dead (I feel bad about SR getting offed). DO NOT LET ME BE THE ARBITER. You know why Frappe isn't out for my head? He knows I'm trigger happy, and that if I had any sort of power once so ever I'd have done him in, game be damned.

You're barking up the wrong tree, but you know what? You're not providing anything to defend yourself with. You're pointing your finger at me, but everyone (dead or alive) that has been putting you to question and you're only thought is to point harder? You got Gritch killed, and you did nothing to defend your response. I might have screwed the pooch on the priest, but with no spy and a random head hunt, and with a new player? Yah, I'd expect something stupid to go down. The lawyer in this round I feel hasn't done anything or been a boon here, and the killer has just been that good. Maybe SR was the lawyer, said he was the priest to early to hide himself, and regretted it the moment he said so. All I did was mention he'd said it (WHO USES MESSAGE AND MEANS POST?).

I think you're the lawyer, Pseudonym. I think you're using the biggest shield you can find to keep your head off the block, and I'm thinking if everyone combs your posts they'll find after you killed Gritch you pointed at the one person you figured you could get everyone to lynch without thinking about it, because others have already suspected me.

Is that it you mad man? SHOW ME YOUR BLOOD COATED HANDS, Robot sympathizer!

 

[Armadox]

@Armadox: I kinda forgot as to why you have it out for me. I'm not even upset / amused / turned on / fearful of it anymore. I don't remember as to what made yah want me dead so badly. Is it because frappes are easier to draw? ... Or perhaps I am the only one willing to pick a fight against you? Enlighten me.

Ghk.. I.. gk!!

@Armadox: That's it. I'm bringing this out because you have it out for me. Time to beat you down son.​

How can you drop this, and then forget about it!?! You just pulled up, and put this down, and I drew up a comic just waiting for you to die so I could last laugh, and you. just. keep. living.

Know what, screw Pseudonym the Lawyer. Everyone vote for Frappe. He's the killer. He's mecha-killer. I don't know what to say to make him dead.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

When did I push at you ;_;

 

[FPLOON]

@BeerTent: *stretches limbs* Alright... If you want my reasoning for the initial list, then I can refer you to my post all the way back on <link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/362.877540.22108367>Page... uh... 13, where I reply back to Zecoute abut my reasoning for why the list the way that it is from my perspective... I am surprised that you would think I would have some kind of alliance of sorts, which makes sense given how I have done that in previous rounds with both positive and mixed results; however, this round, I don't initially have an alliance and I kinda gave up on that once both the Spy and the Entwined died... With that said, I did get an interesting PM from Armadox [the other day] which only solidified his "distrust" in me this round, if not without any potential backup plan of sorts...

On an unrelated related , isn't e621 such a wondrous site to browse through?

@Zecoute: Thanks, Z... and you're right! My reasoning for BeerTent's innocents was completely illogical... Honestly, he was the only one I couldn't think of a good reason to not suspect him outside of <link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/362.877540.22105551>this post right here... I could have bundled Shazskywalker with altnameJag and Dr. Crawver in terms of lacking any true suspicion, but I choose not to because I thought both BeerTent and I had a similar thought process without actually discussing about it beforehand...

@Armadox: It's true that I was before, but even then, I still haven't vote for you once because I thought someone else was more suspicious than you every time so far...

@Caraml Frappe: No really, Mr. Frappe... *twirls hair seductively* Tell me us how you really feel about Armadox... *bats eyelashes*

 

[Demagogue]

Arma and Caramel is the games new OTP?

>.>

 

[Headsprouter]

@Dema Caradox.

<3

 

[Demagogue]

@Dema Caradox.

<3

YES!!