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Yog Sothoth said:
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sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Yeah but at what point would you die from being pulled apart?
As someone with no knowledge on the subject at all I believe that a black hole is more of a black bowl and they will eventually fill up or run out of energy.
I wonder what a full black hole would look like.
 

ianuam

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This has been theorized for a long time. Nothing to worry about at all. I would, however, laugh if people did a LHC on this.
 

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Trace2010 said:
It was suspected for some time- evidenced and proven around 2002. Umm, the Milky Way is a Spiral Galaxy- that "spirals" around something....what did you expect to find- a huge stick?
a person can dream, can't they? plust that would be funny as could be if it was a huge stick at the center of it all.

Oh and earth also has Fedor Emelianenko!
 

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hypothetical fact said:
Yog Sothoth said:
WeedWorm said:
sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Yeah but at what point would you die from being pulled apart?
As someone with no knowledge on the subject at all I believe that a black hole is more of a black bowl and they will eventually fill up or run out of energy.
I wonder what a full black hole would look like.
the eternal suffering you'd likely experience would only be from your perspective.... it's due to the time dilation that occurs as you approach the speed of light... anyone outside of the black hole would get to watch as your atoms were spun into a long "string" type configuration, and then torn asunder...
 

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So? The Galaxy is spinning slowly into a large ball in a big example of the process that created our solar system. The large scale created a black hole in the center rather then a sun. If stuff is falling in it, its going at such a slow rate that the human race will never care. I always kind of thought that there must be a super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy swirling everything around it about.
 

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Yog Sothoth said:
hypothetical fact said:
Yog Sothoth said:
WeedWorm said:
sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Yeah but at what point would you die from being pulled apart?
As someone with no knowledge on the subject at all I believe that a black hole is more of a black bowl and they will eventually fill up or run out of energy.
I wonder what a full black hole would look like.
the eternal suffering you'd likely experience would only be from your perspective.... it's due to the time dilation that occurs as you approach the speed of light... anyone outside of the black hole would get to watch as your atoms were spun into a long "string" type configuration, and then torn asunder...
So would it be possible to get into a black hole, fly out, and be in the future? Or would your perspective of yourself catch up with reality and be pulled apart when you leave?
 

Yog Sothoth

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hypothetical fact said:
Yog Sothoth said:
hypothetical fact said:
Yog Sothoth said:
WeedWorm said:
sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Yeah but at what point would you die from being pulled apart?
As someone with no knowledge on the subject at all I believe that a black hole is more of a black bowl and they will eventually fill up or run out of energy.
I wonder what a full black hole would look like.
the eternal suffering you'd likely experience would only be from your perspective.... it's due to the time dilation that occurs as you approach the speed of light... anyone outside of the black hole would get to watch as your atoms were spun into a long "string" type configuration, and then torn asunder...
So would it be possible to get into a black hole, fly out, and be in the future? Or would your perspective of yourself catch up with reality and be pulled apart when you leave?
ok, keep in mind that this is all theoretical... first, as far as we know any matter that enters a black hole is destroyed. second, nothing can escape a black hole, not even light...

but if you could somehow escape a black hole after you'd entered it, well.... i honestly don't know... i'm no scientist, let alone an astrophysicist... anyone else here care to venture a guess?

EDIT: all forms of time travel create paradoxes, and are therefore impossible... in theory....
 

MintyFreshBreathGuy

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Look, the day the world gets destroyed is the day the song "It's The End of The World As We Know It" rings throughout the heavens.
 

ygetoff

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broadband said:
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Hnoestly, im tired of read all this apocalipse stuff, i simply cant live, always in constant fear, sometimes, i wish to simply die before any of those dates, so please, i dont want to see any of these threads anymore. im not going to read the article, ive barely readed some comments and i already feel chills in my chest, but im sort of used to it.
you realize that the "end of the world" is simply a large black hole that poses no danger for AT LEAST 50 million years so there's really no need to worry in this situation anyway.
and the thing that will get us is never something that we can see and therefore, stop.
it'll be something unexpected.
Even like that, it doesnt stop me from feel fear, a fear that dont allow me to live, everyday, God i simply want to have a calm life, like it wouldnt be enough with the stuff one have to deal daily, the worse is that my curiosity overwelms my common sense and fear, i end reading not everything but enough to think about suicide, i really need help...
well you just have to push the fear to the back of your mind. think about how many risks you take everyday. do you drive places? thats a risk. do you go on vacations? thats a risk. do you eat food that is unhealthy? thats a risk. do you live in a house with a gas stove, or electricity? thats a big risk. do you live in a world prone to sudden outbursts of violence? thats a risk. my point is that you take many many risks each day, and you obviously haven't died yet. these "end of the world" things have an even smaller chance of happening than the everyday dangers, so there's really no point to be worrying, and it doesn't help much either. and if you really do feel that you need help, then a psychiatrist is your best bet, not me.
 

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Yog Sothoth said:
hypothetical fact said:
Yog Sothoth said:
hypothetical fact said:
Yog Sothoth said:
WeedWorm said:
sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Yeah but at what point would you die from being pulled apart?
As someone with no knowledge on the subject at all I believe that a black hole is more of a black bowl and they will eventually fill up or run out of energy.
I wonder what a full black hole would look like.
the eternal suffering you'd likely experience would only be from your perspective.... it's due to the time dilation that occurs as you approach the speed of light... anyone outside of the black hole would get to watch as your atoms were spun into a long "string" type configuration, and then torn asunder...
So would it be possible to get into a black hole, fly out, and be in the future? Or would your perspective of yourself catch up with reality and be pulled apart when you leave?
ok, keep in mind that this is all theoretical... first, as far as we know any matter that enters a black hole is destroyed. second, nothing can escape a black hole, not even light...

but if you could somehow escape a black hole after you'd entered it, well.... i honestly don't know... i'm no scientist, let alone an astrophysicist... anyone else here care to venture a guess?

EDIT: all forms of time travel create paradoxes, and are therefore impossible... in theory....
there IS a theory that falling "into" a black hole would leave you in another dimension. however, at this point, all we know is that once you go in, you don't come out.
 

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The end of the world is really far off. All of us would be dead by the time the Milky Way is destroyed. So it's really alright. My guess for the end of the world would be 1984; hint, hint, tip, tip, clue, clue.
 

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Meh, I'm not worried, I think I'd rather plan for a zombie apocalypse then worry about the galaxy being eaten by something as wimpy as a black-hole.
 

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Doesn't anyone watch the science channel? I've known for like five years there was a black hole in the middle of our galaxy! Oh and the world IS NOT going to end in 2070 in fact astronomers have confirmed that the Andromeda galaxy is going to hit us several MILLION years from now and we will be hurled out into space long before the Black Hole of The Milky Way sucks us up.
 

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Yeah no threat to us. If the Black Hole was gone our galaxy would probably dissipate.

Anyways, we've long thought that the center of our galaxy (or at least many of the galaxies out there) were held together by a black hole's gravity and this seems to corroborate that.
 

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chronobreak said:
Haven't we known there was a black hole at the center of the universe for a long time?
Yeah, astronomers have known about the black hole at the center of our "galaxy" for a while. They theorized one was there long before it's discovery.

xitel said:
Um, the Milky Way is huge. It's not that it's going to suck everything in, but the gravity well it creates is what's keeping the galaxy together.
Yes and no. It's gravitational pull only truly affects the stars closet to the center. In truth, it's the shear size and mass of our galaxy that holds it together. Some astronomers have even theorized that the black hole at the center of our galaxy didn't form our galaxy, but that it may have formed in an outer spiral arm and "sunk" to the center, gaining mass along the way.

implodingMan said:
We already knew it was there. This just confirming its existence. Also, just because it is a black hole does not mean matter will instantly rush into it (as it obviously isn't doing right now). If you replaced the sun with a black hole of the same mass them the Earth would continue on its merry way. We would all still be killed, but that would be from the freezing temperatures and lack of light.
Not really. Replacing our sun with that black hole would indeed cause us to be pulled in. It wouldn't be instantaneous, but the planet would progressively accelerate faster and faster as it approached the event horizon. However, do to the shear size of the black hole, we wouldn't "spaghettify" until we passed within the event horizon. However, when it starts (assuming we're not dead from the x-ray radiation) it would be extremely painful. You're basically being exposed to higher and higher magnitudes of gravity.

Dayne Gonsalves said:
It's probably million of light years away, and was probably there since the beginning of time, so i wouldn't worry. Yet.
Actually, it's about 40,000 to 45,000 light years away, I believe. Our solar system is located near the outer edge of the galaxy, on one of it's spiral arms. With our galaxy being roughly 100,000 light years across, only makes sense.
RedDiablo said:
I'm pretty sure that a black hole doesn't move, and that we are probably far away from it. Also, there are probably hundreds of black holes around the Milky Way, seeing as it is a pretty big galaxy. And in fact, the center of the Milky Way is a black hole.
Actually, they move just like everything else. They're not some mystical phenomenon, they're just giant stars whose nuclear reaction died out and collapsed under their own gravity into a singularity. Ergo, if the star it formed from was moving, the black hole would be moving. Also, there are actually millions upon millions of black holes just within our galaxy, not including ones just outside our galaxy, in the smaller galaxies orbiting our galaxy, and the rest of the universe.

TGLT said:
Don't worry, if we manage to get out of the system before the star eats the planet we'll probably survive long enough to die of universal heat death. Or our galaxy crashing into another.
True. Long before we need to worry about falling into the black hole at the center of the Milky Way, we'll either fall into a smaller, solar-mass black hole or have a run-in with a pulsar. Our solar system is moving constantly through the galaxy, both orbiting the center and oscillating up and down through one of the spiral arms. In fact, it seems that every time our planet has passed through said spiral arm, there's been a mass-extinction event. Coincidence? You're also right about the galaxy collisions. Our closest neighboring galaxy (of significant mass) is Andromeda, which is twice the size of ours. As we speak, it's on a collision course with ours. It's a long time out, but it will end in either of two outcomes. Our solar system will either be tossed out of both galaxies and into empty space or will be flung into the core, where the two galaxies super-massive black holes will be merging. Of course, these events are on such long time scales, we'll be able to find a way to avoid them, or go extinct. However, there's something we can't avoid. It's called the Big Rip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip Basically, the mysterious energy physicists have been observing the effects of for years, known as dark energy, may very well one day rip everything in the universe apart. Dark energy's repulsive force, known as the cosmological constant, is pushing all matter in the universe farther and farther apart. It's already out-classed gravity on large scales, which is why all the galaxies in the universe are expanding away from each other at an increasing rate. Some have theorized that there may come a day where dark energy's repulsive force will exceed local gravity and even the strong and weak nuclear forces that hold atoms together. Meaning, the universe is doomed to dissolve away into total darkness. Kinda gloomy, huh? Think I've said enough about "dooms day" scenarios.
 

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Yog Sothoth said:
WeedWorm said:
sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Actually, I believe it's the other way around. From an outside observers point of view, you'd begin falling into the event horizon, once you passed through, they'd only see the last image of you before you entered. That image would then slowly fade as it red-shifted. From your point of view, things outside the black hole would seem to move slower and slower until you entered the event horizon, at which point you'd only see, much like the other observer, a still image of the universe before you passed through the event horizon. At that point, you'd be falling into the black hole at near the speed of light, so you really couldn't see anything because of the time dilation effect and because you'd be traveling at the same speed as the photons being pulled in with you.
 

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Vigormortis said:
Yog Sothoth said:
WeedWorm said:
sarahvait said:
Will it be quick?
It will be the slowest death imaginable.
pretty much... it's theorized that were you to cross the event horizon of a black hole, you'd be "stuck" in that experience forever, at least from your point of view...
Actually, I believe it's the other way around. From an outside observers point of view, you'd begin falling into the event horizon, once you passed through, they'd only see the last image of you before you entered. That image would then slowly fade as it red-shifted. From your point of view, things outside the black hole would seem to move slower and slower until you entered the event horizon, at which point you'd only see, much like the other observer, a still image of the universe before you passed through the event horizon. At that point, you'd be falling into the black hole at near the speed of light, so you really couldn't see anything because of the time dilation effect and because you'd be traveling at the same speed as the photons being pulled in with you.
Man Science is so fucked up sometimes. I remember when I learned that we really didn't understand gravity at all. There are those forces that are exclusive to our dimension, light, and magnetism are good examples. Gravity on the other hand... no so much.

It is said that a black hole is a huge object that exists only in the 1st dimension (a single point in 3 dimensional space) and its gravity carries over through all dimensions.

Anyways take a look at this montage of NASA simulations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvhimW97Kj4&NR=1

I particularly love the ones that show galactic collisions and collisions between to black holes. Freaking nuts.