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I remember watching the headlines a few GTAs ago about a section of the game where you could hire a prostitute being removed. Later there was hot coffee whcih apparently way removed from the game to get past the censorship beurue. This seems to be a common pattern with sex in games. It's either very toned down or somewhat controversal. What gets me about this is that many game feature extream violence, and often indesputedly illeaglal violence to boot, but it's the sex that gets removed or the game censored. Sex, even prostitution, is ussally legal, especially compared to murder, and for the most part more moral, so why is it such a taboo for censors when violence isn't?
 

L33tsauce_Marty

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I once watched a video on youtube about this, the person made a very convincing arguement. He said something of the lines of, "As a culture we need to embrace nudity like other forms of art embraced it long ago if video games will ever evolve as an art form."

I think parents would shit bricks if they went to a site like Fileplanet and found all the nude mods there.
 

SenseOfTumour

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I think it's because viewing sexual content has a physical reaction, whereas violence not so much.

Also that a kid playing 'gears of war' in the park with his friends, running about and shouting 'bang' isn't gonna cause any problems, whereas if he's in the park simulating the hot coffee mod with 'friends', there's going to be raised eyebrows.

Essentially it's because gaming is seen as kid's toys still, and therefore should never mention sex, in the way that Nerf shouldn't use naked women to advertise their toys.
 

vfaulkon

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SenseOfTumour said:
I think it's because viewing sexual content has a physical reaction, whereas violence not so much.

Also that a kid playing 'gears of war' in the park with his friends, running about and shouting 'bang' isn't gonna cause any problems, whereas if he's in the park simulating the hot coffee mod with 'friends', there's going to be raised eyebrows.

Essentially it's because gaming is seen as kid's toys still, and therefore should never mention sex, in the way that Nerf shouldn't use naked women to advertise their toys.
It's interesting to note that other, much older countries have less problems with sex and more with violence...

But I'm with Tumour - most of the people in government and media are living in the last generation (of people, just to clarify), where video games were just for kids. Give it maybe ten, twenty years and that stigma should be, if not completely gone, then at least not as pervasive.
 

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vfaulkon said:
It's interesting to note that other, much older countries have less problems with sex and more with violence...
And then there's Australia, with their 'Big Brother' approach towards game content. Second only to China in terms of government thought control.

Sometimes I'm really happy I live in the Netherlands. Hookers and weed! Hookers and weed!

And windmills.
 

vfaulkon

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Spacelord said:
Sometimes I'm really happy I live in the Netherlands. Hookers and weed! Hookers and weed!

And windmills.
Truly, it is Paradise on Earth. I mean, hookers, weed, AND windmills? C'mon, how awesome can one country be?
 

mooncalf

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L33tsauce_Marty said:
"As a culture we need to embrace nudity like other forms of art embraced it long ago if video games will ever evolve as an art form."
A good quote in itself, but can pornography and prostitution be boiled down to just nudity or art?
 

WillSimplyBe

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JaguarWong said:
It's because American men love guns more than vaginas.
You could combine your love of the two with the vagina cannon...

But I digress!

mooncalf said:
L33tsauce_Marty said:
"As a culture we need to embrace nudity like other forms of art embraced it long ago if video games will ever evolve as an art form."
A good quote in itself, but can pornography and prostitution be boiled down to just nudity or art?
Yeah, here's the thing that can separate it from tasteful or artistic nudes to something dirty. And Until a game that features nudity not brought up through prostitution or porn, I don't know if we can claim to have something artistically nude...
 

I_hate_portal

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JaguarWong said:
It's because American men love guns more than vaginas.
I think we could have ended the thread here to be honest. haha

Personally I think its down to the purpose of it, can you justify having it in the game. You need to be able to kill in most games to complete it and survive. Can you really ever say you need to have sex (In a game) to survive?

GTA done it in a way that you took your GF home and went to a little cut scene, for me thats all thats really need.
 

Adair_the_Skull

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Sex, for some reason is seen as a corruptible force. While violence is tolerated. I think its a load of bunk though. I have been looking at playboys since I was in the 2nd grade. There is nothing wrong with me. I didn't turn out as a rapist, sex offender, or anything. The most I have ever done wrong was speed.
 

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My understanding is that kids are innocent, and parents want that to last as long as possible. And it is a lot easier to tell little billy that the red stuff is really ketchup then giving him an early birds-and-the-bees talk.
 

irrelevantnugget

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vfaulkon said:
Spacelord said:
Sometimes I'm really happy I live in the Netherlands. Hookers and weed! Hookers and weed!

And windmills.
Truly, it is Paradise on Earth. I mean, hookers, weed, AND windmills? C'mon, how awesome can one country be?
The awesomeness is all tossed out the window with their absurd fanboyism for the awful colour called 'orange', sadly.

Belgium has beer and chocolate, and no fugly colours, hurrah!


But to be on-topic: It's the US that has a problem with sex and anything related. I'll simply refer to the nipplegate thing.
 
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SenseOfTumour said:
I think it's because viewing sexual content has a physical reaction, whereas violence not so much.

Also that a kid playing 'gears of war' in the park with his friends, running about and shouting 'bang' isn't gonna cause any problems, whereas if he's in the park simulating the hot coffee mod with 'friends', there's going to be raised eyebrows.
You know, that's the first time I've ever come across a reasonable argument for censoring sex more than violence. I'm sure a lot of censor-happy people feel this way, but nobody has ever managed to express it before that I've read or heard. It makes a lot more sense when you put it this way than the usual "think of the children!" non-argument.

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vfaulkon said:
It's interesting to note that other, much older countries have less problems with sex and more with violence...
And then there's Australia, with their 'Big Brother' approach towards game content. Second only to China in terms of government thought control.
Not really. Australia's censorship of games isn't due to a cultural or government tendency for censorship, but a result of a combination of bad luck and a quirk of the political system. Most of the people and politicians in Australia are progressive moderates, but for the past thirty years there have been two politicians with minority-conservative views who happened to be in a position to veto the classification rules.

The first guy was an conservative Catholic named Brian Harradine. For historical reasons, Australia's Upper House of parliament has an equal number of senators from each State, regardless of the population, which means it's easier to get elected in States with smaller populations. Brian Harradine was from Tasmania, the State with the smallest population of all. He was too conservative for the major parties, but whichever party was in government at the time often needed his vote to get laws approved, so they would give him concessions in return for his support. Being both a Catholic and a cranky old man, he naturally didn't understand computer games, so when the rating system for games was being established he demanded that there be no 18+ category - which effectively stopped any game that would have been rated 18+ from being sold. (Note that they're not illegal to own, just to sell.)

By the time Brian Harradine retired from politics in 2004, a man named Michael Atkinson had been appointed the Attorney-General of the State of South Australia. The position of Attorney-General is not an elected one and many of its duties are ceremonial. However, to change the classification laws requires the approval of all Attorney-Generals from all States. There is a proposal to add the 18+ classification for video games being discussed at the moment (not for the first time), and all the AGs are happy to support it... except this one guy.

I'm sure there are conservative-minority politicians everywhere, even in the Netherlands, who would censor mature games if they could. Australia has just been unlucky to always have one in a position to do so.