Sex is fine, talking about sex is not.. whats wrong with that?
There is nothing good about that much penis in a movieBertylicious said:
Sex and violence!
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It is just America "morals" that say nudity is bad.
Watch few Scandinavian films (This time also includes Finland because the Scandinavian Film Culture festival includes Finland in its rank so SHUT UP!)
There is nudity in family comedies and drama. Nudity here is normal and accepted.
It is just America and because majority of media is aimed or made in America, we go by their rules.
Watch few Scandinavian films (This time also includes Finland because the Scandinavian Film Culture festival includes Finland in its rank so SHUT UP!)
There is nudity in family comedies and drama. Nudity here is normal and accepted.
It is just America and because majority of media is aimed or made in America, we go by their rules.
Seinfeld is hilarious, I don't know how you can deem it to be unfunny. That'd be like not liking Babylon 5.Mr.Squishy said:
Bruno had some funny moments. That bit where he puts the fire extinguisher in the midget's arse is hysterical.
Perhaps it is to do with context? Or maybe it is to do with my thoughts about my own penis. The idea of other people looking at my penis, judging it and passing comment, is horrifying. Why, showing my penis to just one woman puts in a position of great physical and emotional vulnerablity.
Perhaps that is the problem? We equate sex to intimacy and vulnerability, real intimacy and vulnerability that concerns ourselves, and that is difficult to deal with at the best of times.
But what of porn? I don't have any problem with that.
Then again, I don't watch porn with other people. Maybe I do have a problem with it.
hmmm...
I have a feeling the two of us may differ in taste. Babylon 5 bored me to tears, and the same can be said for Battlestar Galactica and a lot of other popular sci fi. Although I liked Firefly. Except 'crycrytraumatraumasuddenkungfuwaif' (That's River, btw).Bertylicious said:
I don't know about the penis vulnerability though, haven't given it a lot of thought.
BLASPHEMY! Babylon 5 is like God only better because it is real!Mr.Squishy said:
Heh. Nah, it's a bit space opera. It isn't to everybody's taste. As a story however, as a sci-fi, space opera, it is immaculate. Also it is interesting that you mention Firefly though. Joseph Straczynski who wrote it, so is basically Mohammed to me, was aware of the problems of shows being cancelled before their story could be told. It was why he designed it to work with a low budget. Some things were sacrificed so that all might be.
What a guy.
I think that vulnerability goes beyond peeners though. I imagine we all feel vulnerable about our naked selves, both spiritually and physically. Perhaps it is a defence mechanism? Perhaps that is why nudity makes us all so uncomfortable?
Word. I grew up on films like Ronja Rövardotter and Madicken where they showed willies and boobies without making it a big deal. Even though my own self-hatred makes it impossible for me to show off my own body, I still believe that nakedness is essentially nothing to be ashamed of.SinisterGehe said:
It's when it's done for nothing but cheap thrills and "LOOK BOOBIES" - in the media for example - that I find it ridiculous.
Seeing the trash that hits Fox Life, the social pressure to have sex early, the shoehorned romance/love interest in every book/movie/game (even worse when it's gay) as well as babes in every ad, I'm surprised you think sex is shunned frankly.
As a more conservative person, I enjoy sexless/asexual stories where the main plot is not affected by pointless relationships or romance scenes, it's one of the reasons I enjoy Valve games so much, because they keep it to a minimum.
As a more conservative person, I enjoy sexless/asexual stories where the main plot is not affected by pointless relationships or romance scenes, it's one of the reasons I enjoy Valve games so much, because they keep it to a minimum.
Generally the Scandinavian film style is realistic and calm. No method or object is "abused" to the point of being there to attract views. Even the comedies are really controlled, calm and focus on the context instead of visuals.Delicious Anathema said:
The Finnish movie style is even more controlled and context focused than rest of Scandinavia. Hence why it is it's own movie genre and style.
But general style is the fact that there can be full frontal nudity and not make a big deal of it. For example in scenes that take place in a Sauna. These scene can be dramatic, funny... Well anything that a good writer can come up with and NO ONE focuses on the nudity - the audience accepts it is a normal thing - and focus on the essential, the context of the scene.
It adds a massive amount of realism, allows the audience to understand that the characters are open and just like them - HUMANS!
Tho I found it hilarious that Vares movies had age rating of 10 in Finland but 15 in America, even 18 in some theaters when it was exported. Not because of violence, but because of nudity.
In my opinion when media is calm about nudity and children grow to accept it as a norm, they do not get "twisted" relationship with it, to better or to worse. It adds a layer of sophistication to the society - when there is no jeer or cheers about the subject.
Hell we were shown the movie "Fucking Åmål" - Eng. "Show Me Love". In school, at 7th grade, around the age of 13-14. The movie has Homosexuality, underage sex tones. Hell it even has a scene in which teen boy ask a teen girl to give him a handjob! And they show it!
And this is a movie recomended for kids! Specially in Sweden and Finland.
I don't endorse that kind of thing too, my country's cinema, or at least the more indie cinema, is full of boobies and it just feels forced when the intention is the opposite. Because we're so used to covering up it strikes us when something is bare naked, and I don't know what's wrong with covering up the human body, I think it's a matter of good taste personally. Call me old fashioned.SinisterGehe said:
Violence is accepted in media and society in general as opposed to sex and nudity because violence is not controversial. The spectrum of possible reactions that an audience can have to violence is much smaller than the spectrum of reactions that an audience can have to sex and nudity.Arfonious said:
Society can tolerate violence because it's easy for us to agree on how we should feel towards it. The same can not be said for sex and nudity.
As I said, it's because it's easy for us to agree on how we feel towards a violent situation, whereas the same cannot be said for a sexual one.
Sexuality is very personal - and therefore very private. Culture's impact on how we feel towards violence is very great; but it lacks that same level of control over our sexuality. Because of this, it's more difficult to broadcast sex and nudity in public than violence.
That is why pornography is thriving in places where people can access it anonymously. We don't have to worry about our reactions being judged by others, and the broadcaster has a better idea of the kind of audience he's going to be showing it to - so he's also more comfortable showing it.
It's also why sex and nudity are regulated and restricted to keep it out of the hands of children. Parents do not want their child to uncover controversial topics, because they could develop an opinion that differentiates from their own. Violence is not as regulated, because parents can more easily understand their child's reaction.
Sexuality is very personal - and therefore very private. Culture's impact on how we feel towards violence is very great; but it lacks that same level of control over our sexuality. Because of this, it's more difficult to broadcast sex and nudity in public than violence.
That is why pornography is thriving in places where people can access it anonymously. We don't have to worry about our reactions being judged by others, and the broadcaster has a better idea of the kind of audience he's going to be showing it to - so he's also more comfortable showing it.
It's also why sex and nudity are regulated and restricted to keep it out of the hands of children. Parents do not want their child to uncover controversial topics, because they could develop an opinion that differentiates from their own. Violence is not as regulated, because parents can more easily understand their child's reaction.
This, most countries have it the other way around, it's like this in American society because of your idiot bible thumping, gun loving Republicans.TopazFusion said:
I think you've hit the nail on the head, violence isn't something we face regularly in real life, sex is. Violence isn't intimate and personal with lots of emotional weight tied to it, sex is. It doesn't matter that one is better than the other in real life, it's all about how we emotionally react to seeing them.need4snacks said:
If we lived in a society where violence occurred all the time to us, and was something we all took part in, we'd probably be much more sensitive to seeing it in the media. But it's not.
maybe your saint rows character was from Japan, you know, they pixelate it all the time there.
ok, seriuosly, this is a neverneding dicussion. older people are jealous that their parents were cruel and didnt let them have sex so they take their frustration on modern culture.
what annoys me more is that they need to have a romance in every damn story nowadays, why cant it be about something, you know, interesting for a change?
ok, seriuosly, this is a neverneding dicussion. older people are jealous that their parents were cruel and didnt let them have sex so they take their frustration on modern culture.
what annoys me more is that they need to have a romance in every damn story nowadays, why cant it be about something, you know, interesting for a change?