Sexsim: have the tables actually turned?

[cdstephens]

It's hard to classify overall, but there are certain areas that need to be worked on for both sides.

Example: There was a woman a few years back that sued a fire department for being denied a job because she didn't pass the physical test I believe. Just my opinion; if you can't perform the physical duties a firefighter will be forced to do, then you shouldn't be a firefighter, simply because letting a person that is not as qualified for the job as someone else endangers the lives of citizens.

Another example: Although women are often treated as the primary victim of relationship related abuse, studies show that women and men are equally likely to be the abuser or the victim. Women abuse men in a relationship as often as men abuse women. Note that this includes mental and psychological abuse as well.

Another example: Currently there is a large disparity in business and national leaders between men and women. Considering that in order to move up the ranks you have to get promoted, and that there is little to no difference between women and men to perform tasks requiring intelligence, this is likely due to sexism.

Another example: This is a minor gripe, but McDonalds are still selling toys based on gender. I walked into a store one day and for toys they had Power Rangers for boys and iCarly for girls...yet, iCarly as far as I know isn't a girl's oriented show. I've watched it before, and it seems to have humor similar to Drake and Josh. Not to mention that one of the main characters is a guy, but in the picture they had the two girls on one side and the guy on his own on the other side, likely to emphasize "ooo this is girly!"

There's things that need to be worked on for both genders.

 

[Nihilism_Is_Bliss]

Feminists: Women who think they are superior to men.

And depends on the country.
Sweden, for instance, has over done feminism to the point of being sexist, whereas places like Japan, though improving, are still more male dominant.

 

[BRex21]

7 times more likely to commit suicide

Uh, not actually true. Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but men are more likely to succeed. Which is a bit odd, but the theory as to why is that women tend to go for options like medication overdose where as men seem to prefer stuff like hanging, the latter of which tends to be less easily survived.

so... men are more likely to commit suicide...

We're still paid less than men in almost every profession, and our careers are still based in our looks. Even if your potential boss is a woman, you are judged on looks more than credentials. To a woman boss, you can't be sexy, but if you're not attractive, other people will judge the woman who hired them.

We also still deal with sexism in the workplace. People automatically assume any man is your boss, and you will have your looks commented on daily.

I'm a librarian. It is usually seen as a woman's job. Men are still paid more to work the same job, even if they are hired by women. My looks are also, for some reason, part of my work.

Also, mention 'librarian' to a man and they automatically picture heels, pencil skirts, frilly white blouses, glasses, and a woman letting down her bun so a wave of hair sweeps across her face. ... Sorry, my hair is angled and purple. Not kidding when I say people ask me if I play 'sexy librarian' in the bedroom. Actual, real men have point blank asked that.

Call that reverse sexism?

Well I work for a biotech company in canola breeding and the amount of women who thing that the word breeding in my job title means that they can put their hand in my back pocket or run it along my chest or stomach is astounding yes real women have actually done that. in fact the back pocket incident netted me a 3 day suspension because the woman complained i raised my voice to her.
I look young and there is flat out no way i would be taken seriously in virtually any job without my beard, which actually is a health hazard due to the fact that i handle all the pesticides (i have to im the man) and it affects the seal of my respirator.
And seriously, enough with the wage gap, the 75 cents on the dollar thing has been disproved a hundred times over because the average woman simply does not put the same focus into her career as the average man. http://www.city-journal.org/2011/21_3_gender-gap.html

 

[Event_Horizon]

Short answer, yes, they have turned. The amount of sexism in the media is disproportionately aimed at men. Misogyny is consistently frowned upon, though few know what the word misandry is or what it means.

And don't get me started on the special privileges that women get from the state. If you want to know who's really privileged in society, look at who benefits from the family court system and social welfare programs.

 

[AdumbroDeus]

Most of the issues that men have in modern society are a direct result of the fact that oppressive attitudes towards women are still omnipresent.

 

[masterbazza]

i feel like this should be mentioned.
they banned men sitting next to children. No joke.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10357510

 

[orangeban]

7 times more likely to commit suicide

Uh, not actually true. Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but men are more likely to succeed. Which is a bit odd, but the theory as to why is that women tend to go for options like medication overdose where as men seem to prefer stuff like hanging, the latter of which tends to be less easily survived.

so... men are more likely to commit suicide...

Well kind of, but not because of some great sexism against men (though it could be argued that the more lethal method of suicide employed by men is the fault of the accepted image of masculinity but that'd take some proof). Men are more miserable, they are simply better at killing themselves.

 

[Kije]

I hate to be the guy to do this but...

Just sayin' bro.

 

[orangeban]

i feel like this should be mentioned.
they banned men sitting next to children. No joke.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10357510

What a strange article, accusing supposed "political correctness gawn mad!" of not being politically correct enough (e.g. being discriminatory). I guess it stems from differing definitions of political correctness.

Still, absurd policy.

 

[StoneCutter]

Last year I took an AP LA class, which was for the most part really boring. But one of the better articles we read was "The End of Men", which talked about how women are in many cases becoming better off than men, and how the trend is continuing. I would definitely recommend it to anyone interested in the subject.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/

 

[oppp7]

I certainly dont think anyone can say its universally easier or harder to be a man or a woman, but there is certainly a lot of unacknowledged sexism directed at men these days.

No, we aren't. Women still have to deal with shit that men don't have to, and you can't say the same about the opposite. I have no idea why everyone on the internet is so against feminism.

Because of feminazis. I know the movement, as a whole, demands equality, but them dumbshits are looking for supremacy.

Anyway, getting a job as an engineer (especially electrical engineering) is much easier as a woman. This is an unfortunate problem that we currently face.

Being the lazy, never-had-a-summer-job bastard that I am, I don't know much about affirmative action and all that, but is it really worse than having a worse biological setup (periods, pregnancy...), more prone to receiving violence (rape, spousal abuse...), and several other things I could mention, but am too lazy to elaborate on(lower income, larger share of housework, media problems, more strict social standards)?

This is pretty much what im talking about, because men have nowhere to turn when they are sexually or physically abused by a partner it keeps the rates down and since the rates stay low they can justify not having options for them. someone here has already mentioned the reaction to an abused man having his penis cut off when he tried to obtain a divorce.
You can very much say the same about the opposite, in the western world men rarely have even a basic medical knowledge of their anatomy and usually have a better understanding of womens periods than any number of serious medical issues that can happen to them, men face more violence, more poverty, more abuse then women and systematically have less legal recourse in almost every category. men make up 98% of workplace fatalities are 7 times more likely to commit suicide and are the sole victims of paternity fraud, which is especially discussing with the current "liability theory of sperm" being used that more than once has been used to force a man to pay his rapist to care for the child the act conceived.

Sources? (I used Wikipedia)

 

[Boaan]

Just a short thing I'd like to add: while I agree that women do have it quite bad in some situations, I don't think any woman can say they're afraid of being in a serious relationship in countries like US or Canada just because of how the system can favor the opposing sex in a situation of a breakup or divorce.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Last year I took an AP LA class, which was for the most part really boring. But one of the better articles we read was "The End of Men", which talked about how women are in many cases becoming better off than men, and how the trend is continuing. I would definitely recommend it to anyone interested in the subject.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/

Men are still main-doers in the world, and still the ones who maintain it. IF men as a whole would become redundant it would be because of our own actions and creations.

Women are pretty good at adapting to the world men create, but that's pretty much where it stops.

 

[Thaluikhain]

No. Women aren't as oppressed as they used to be, but that hardly means that men are being oppressed by women, it's not an either/or situation. Feminism is about equality, not dominance.

However, people do not give up privilege lightly. If you believe that men should dominate women, that's it's just the way things are/should be, that it's to your personal benefit, than changing the status quo in favour of equality is going to seem frightening and dangerous.

Rights movements do not "win" when one groupcollectively says to themself "Oh, yeah, we've been a bit of a dick, we should stop doing that and be nice to people", they "win" when one group is forced kicking and screaming to treat others as equals.

And...I'd challenge anyone to honestly say that, after growing up in this society, that there's no part of them that's never thought that men are better than women, that homosexuals are unnatural, that PoC are subhuman, whatever. Everyone has been influenced by our culture to favour inequality, the trick is to recognise this and work against it.

 

[jawakiller]

Biggest source of inequality among the sexes? One word: Boobs.

They have them, we don't.

You can have them if you want to let some screaming, squirming hungry little wrinkly spawn suck them dry.

Why you so mean to nerds? They don't know any better.

 

[Orks da best]

reverse sexism i.e. double standards, either way they need to go, like...right...about...now!

 

[Hamburger_Time]

Wow, I never knew that I am currently living under the jackboot of a feminazi gynocracy!

 

[BRex21]

Sources? (I used Wikipedia)

Okay from a previous post on domestic violence:
http://www.patientedu.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d
and here is a press release with pie charts
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full
Here is a list of a few hundred studies breaking down the numbers, you can look up individual ones if you like, but the researchers broke it down and said that almost all studies showed women were at least as aggressive if not more so.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
and here is a different study finding women more often the aggressors
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/97/5/941
If you're still not convinced i suggest you read some of Erin Pizzey's work, a woman who founded some of the first women's shelters and who found that many of the women there were just as violent as the men they left. She was kicked out of her feminist organizations and subjected to death threats for saying this.
Yet rulings like this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_FyA4HAXVGIJ:www.law.berkeley.edu/files/BlumhorstAmicusBrief.doc+nomas+files+amicus+brief+blumhorst&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
pop up all over the states and the western world stating that since violence against men is a non issue womens shelters don't need to follow the law and admit men all the while ignoring that they aren't willing to spend any additional money for new shelter based on budget shortfalls.

I grabbed this link from one of my other forums, it contains the clip from the talk where they say an abused man deserved to have his penis cut off for trying to leave his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4VeMJp9pE&feature=player_embedded

Here is a case file where a boy was, by the legal definition, raped http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059 naturally he is the only one who will face the possibility of jail time. I have more cases I can grab if you like.