Sexual liberation

[Marcus Kehoe]

I think there's a MAJOR difference here.

When a guy cheated on his wife, he was slapped around a few times.
When a girl cheated on her husband, she/is stoned to death.

Female liberation is FAR from over.
Look at the differences in pay for women, or the whole 'when a girl acts like a guy she's a slut' mentality, or most of the Middle east, or...

To be fair if a guy acts like a girl he's gay is a huge thing to.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

It's really very easy for the person in power to criticize the disempowered person for just not trying hard enough to escape their oppression. Do you really think that women who get paid less do so because they're just too lazy to try for higher-paying jobs?

I'm hardly the person in power. I think they choose lower paying jobs because they want that job more. Please go back and review your approach, you made a very big mistake in this one.

 

[Quadocky]

What bothers me at the moment is given how the internet is mostly dominated by the perspective of white middle class men it leaves other perspective somewhat lacking. This is especially true in the way they view sex and gender. This leads to a very annoying Ethnocentrism and possible discrimination on the basis of what they do not consider normal.

While the internet has allowed for the proliferation of what white middle class people find erotic, yet, it still does not have much in the way of honest insight in terms of sexuality and responsible conduct. Its rather tragic from my point of view in the way that its not so much liberation than a sort of superficial source of entertainment.

 

[Aetera]

I consider myself sexually liberated, but as I don't know any other out lesbians in my area, there isn't much I can do about it. Stupid small town. D:

 

[Hagi]

Yes... clearly if you yourself are incapable of coming up with other reasons and dismiss reasons anyone else might offer as simply being your own reasons in disguise that conclusively proves that survival and procreation are the only reasons behind existence.

Your professor was very correct though, albeit more friendly than I'd have been. Your reasons are indeed as good as any other, or rather as bad as any other. They're pure conjecture, incapable of being falsified or validated. Equally valid as "Because of Jesus" or "Because of Karma", and we all know how very scientific those reasons are...

What our professor told that finding reasons why should one want to survive were taping into "meaning of life" discussion, not the very reason behind reason thing.
He mostly agreed upon survival instinct being the main driving force behind everything, but said that reproduction is also driven by survival instinct (and once again it is simplified version- of course there are exceptions, but these are nothing more than exceptions).

You seriously compare survival instinct with some imaginary friend?
And you seriously consider other person who tried to prove me wrong to be biased?
Really? Fine! Perfect!! Excellent!!!
Now lets hear your ideas of basic human "programing", because bashing someone is easy, so, please, enlighten me about deepest layers of human psyche.

P.S. Especially when I read your discussion with Blood Brain Barrier. It's just something. I'm glad that you finally find out that water (and any material) status depends on pressure and temperature. But the very beginning just blew my mind. So how many degrees corners of triangle sum up to again? Because in 2D triangles always have 180 degrees, while in 3D they can build up to ~900 degrees. So 360 degrees? Were you speaking about one exact triangle?

P.P.S. No wait don't answer this. I'm going to bash my head against the wall, because it seems more productive than arguing with you.

I merely copied Blood Brain on the 360 degrees, but you're correct that's indeed not true.

I have no idea on basic human "programming". I do not believe we know enough about the way our brains work to come anywhere close to being able to make substantiated statements about our programming such as you're making. In that way it is the same as some imaginary friend, neither is substantiated by any empirical evidence because we, currently, do not have the means to back either statement up.

There is simply too much we don't know about how our brains work, about our own psychology, in order to make any reasonable statements about what exactly it is that drives all behaviour.

But just because we don't know does not mean that you can start filling in the gaps with whatever you come up with in random discussions with your room mate.

 

[blackrave]

I merely copied Blood Brain on the 360 degrees, but you're correct that's indeed not true.

I have no idea on basic human "programming". I do not believe we know enough about the way our brains work to come anywhere close to being able to make substantiated statements about our programming such as you're making. In that way it is the same as some imaginary friend, neither is substantiated by any empirical evidence because we, currently, do not have the means to back either statement up.

There is simply too much we don't know about how our brains work, about our own psychology, in order to make any reasonable statements about what exactly it is that drives all behavior.

But just because we don't know does not mean that you can start filling in the gaps with whatever you come up with in random discussions with your room mate.

Wow. Simply wow.
You don't believe more than 100 years of extensive studies have uncovered most of what our mind and personality consists of?
Simple question before we continue.
How much percents of brain average person uses?

 

[MrPeanut]

Wow. Simply wow.
You don't believe more than 100 years of extensive studies have uncovered most of what our mind and personality consists of?
Simple question before we continue.
How much percents of brain average person uses?

Yeah, neuroscience is still taking baby steps.

We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to this.

Also, I seriously hope you are not referring to the 10% brain usage myth.

 

[viranimus]

Nope. Not possible for males to feel sexually liberated. Hell, in this generation with as repressed and emasculated as men have become, we are still looked down on as monsters for our sexuality. Could you imagine the chaos that would come from male sexuality being unfettered and at its full capacity?

 

[blackrave]

Yeah, neuroscience is still taking baby steps.

We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to this.

Also, I seriously hope you are not referring to the 10% brain usage myth.

Dude, not cool.
Because I WAS referring to the myth, but as a myth.
Just to check if he answers 10%, but now thanks to someone, I wont know what his answer would be.
(seriously though this myth is alive and kicking, just last week needed to explain someone, that if person would suddenly get direct control over all brain, instead of superpowers he would die)

Because from his answers and comments it is hard to understand his knowledge level.
One moment he claims that he knows things, next moment he is spewing non-sense and playing safe by claiming that we don't know anything.
And also refuses to reveal his education field.
So it is really hard to discuss things over internet with someone who is of unknown intelligence level.
Thanks for ruining attempt of shedding a bit more light.

P.S.And before someone starts accusing me of being "cheap", let me notice that most of probing techniques can be considered "cheap".

 

[DugMachine]

I've said "it's just sex" before but in reality I view sex as a very personal thing that shouldn't be rushed. I haven't had many sex partners and almost all of them were long relationships or the occasional one night stand that I almost always regret.

Truth be told, not all guys are out to get laid but if you are then more power to you. Sex is just that, sex. But to me it holds more meaning.

 

[Stasisesque]

Yeah, neuroscience is still taking baby steps.

We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to this.

Also, I seriously hope you are not referring to the 10% brain usage myth.

Dude, not cool.
Because I WAS referring to the myth, but as a myth.
Just to check if he answers 10%, but now thanks to someone, I wont know what his answer would be.
(seriously though this myth is alive and kicking, just last week needed to explain someone, that if person would suddenly get direct control over all brain, instead of superpowers he would die)

Because from his answers and comments it is hard to understand his knowledge level.
One moment he claims that he knows things, next moment he is spewing non-sense and playing safe by claiming that we don't know anything.
And also refuses to reveal his education field.
So it is really hard to discuss things over internet with someone who is of unknown intelligence level.
Thanks for ruining attempt of shedding a bit more light.

P.S.And before someone starts accusing me of being "cheap", let me notice that most of probing techniques can be considered "cheap".

You don't need to know his/her educational background. (S)he's demonstrated time and time again with his/her posts that (s)he is more than capable of holding a conversation with you. (S)he might have a PhD in neuroscience, (s)he might be a home-schooled thirteen year old.

There's a terrifying trend on this forum of people dismissing others because they don't have the required qualifications. Only three pages ago you were arguing that vaginas became loose through sex. Do you really think someone without basic knowledge of anatomy should be arguing behavioural instincts, programming et al? If you believe you can continue to argue your points despite displaying such a painful lack of knowledge, then you can let Hagi continue his/her argument.

 

[blackrave]

You don't need to know his/her educational background. (S)he's demonstrated time and time again with his/her posts that (s)he is more than capable of holding a conversation with you. (S)he might have a PhD in neuroscience, (s)he might be a home-schooled thirteen year old.

There's a terrifying trend on this forum of people dismissing others because they don't have the required qualifications. Only three pages ago you were arguing that vaginas became loose through sex. Do you really think someone without basic knowledge of anatomy should be arguing behavioral instincts, programming at all? If you believe you can continue to argue your points despite displaying such a painful lack of knowledge, then you can let Hagi continue his/her argument.

1.That isn't basic anatomy.
2.I was wrong, simple as that, it's no shame to admit you're wrong when you're wrong.
3.I don't need his background to dismiss him, but to find out better ways to speak with him (he already misunderstood me on several occasions, so that was attempt to fix that)
4.Also I didn't noticed that "terrifying trend" you mentioned, maybe wasn't hanging in right topics.

 

[LittleThestral]

Surely I'm not the only one who thinks of Lancelot and Lady Guinevere doing the dirty under Arthur's nose? Or the lords of estates having sex with whomever the hell they please? Or knights, ahem, saving ladies and *winkwink nudgenudge*?

No, but then they didn't have songs where Lancelot was asking "what do i have to do to get inside of you", and Guinevere was talking about "her poker face" did they? =p

Touché! Though I do vaguely remember Merlin singing something along the lines of "relax and get on your back"...

 

[LittleThestral]

Nope. Not possible for males to feel sexually liberated. Hell, in this generation with as repressed and emasculated as men have become, we are still looked down on as monsters for our sexuality. Could you imagine the chaos that would come from male sexuality being unfettered and at its full capacity?

Wha? Are you serious?

I'm not sure who looks at men as monsters for having sex drives (other than, you know, the handful of crazies who equate consensual vaginal intercourse with rape) unless, of course, you're referring to the idea that men are not able to control themselves unless women cover the fuck up. I doubt that's what you were referring to, though, given the rest of your post.

Exactly how have men become emasculated and had their sexualities gutted? And how, precisely, do you define an "unfettered and at...full capacity" male sexuality?

 

[Hagi]

I merely copied Blood Brain on the 360 degrees, but you're correct that's indeed not true.

I have no idea on basic human "programming". I do not believe we know enough about the way our brains work to come anywhere close to being able to make substantiated statements about our programming such as you're making. In that way it is the same as some imaginary friend, neither is substantiated by any empirical evidence because we, currently, do not have the means to back either statement up.

There is simply too much we don't know about how our brains work, about our own psychology, in order to make any reasonable statements about what exactly it is that drives all behavior.

But just because we don't know does not mean that you can start filling in the gaps with whatever you come up with in random discussions with your room mate.

Wow. Simply wow.
You don't believe more than 100 years of extensive studies have uncovered most of what our mind and personality consists of?
Simple question before we continue.
How much percents of brain average person uses?

100%

If you think otherwise please proceed to the nearest surgeon and have the part you're not using surgically removed, it's only wasting oxygen. I mean if you're not using it any way why not just cut it out? No harm done.

And you think we know most of what our mind and personality consist of? Are you serious?

Psychology is one of the most hotly debated fields in science with a vastness of conflicting opinions and theories.

Please tell me you're somehow goading me into saying something and you don't believe human psychology is somehow done. That we understand it all. That we've almost uncovered all there is to know. Because that's far beyond ignorance. That's wilful stupidity.

 

[blackrave]

100%

If you think otherwise please proceed to the nearest surgeon and have the part you're not using surgically removed, it's only wasting oxygen. I mean if you're not using it any way why not just cut it out? No harm done.

And you think we know most of what our mind and personality consist of? Are you serious?

Psychology is one of the most hotly debated fields in science with a vastness of conflicting opinions and theories.

Please tell me you're somehow goading me into saying something and you don't believe human psychology is somehow done. That we understand it all. That we've almost uncovered all there is to know. Because that's far beyond ignorance. That's willful stupidity.

I never said that we know ALL, but not as little as some here tries to convince me.
I'm pretty sure most of the main components of mind are already known.
What is problematic is figuring out how exactly they work together (or sometimes at all)
Closest analogy I can think of is black holes.
We know that they exist and even how they effect surrounding space and time, but we don't know how they exactly work (disclaimer for those who like to make false assumptions: this isn't 100% precise analogy).

 

[Vault101]

Why? What is so stupid in having moral point of view on sexual relationship?

as logn as its personal...nothing...I guess


[quote/]
There are plenty of guys out there who also had multiple partners, go hook up with them.[/quote]
what?...whats this got to do with anything?

my point is I just find your crieteria a little...odd...even if they are from actual relationships thats not good enough...

Too bad, it isn't that big a thing to evaluate you current partner from that point of view
And if you can't see a future with him/her I don't see any good reason to continue relationship

and why do you feel you have the right to dictate what I do and don't do?...do you aporach every potential mate with "can I spend the rest of my life with her?..how many babie can she have?" you should at least give it some time before you start choosing baby names

I would just prefer to take it as it comes


[quote/]Never said about masturbation being evil, but being indifferent to one you have in your arms at the moment seems sick and wrong (wrongsick?).[/quote]
why does it bother you so much?...

[quote/]Maybe you give extra thought about your one night stands, but most people don't. For them it is just a way to release an urges, and nothing more.[/quote]
I dont do one night stands.....I'm not that kind of person, and if releasing of urged bothers you so much then..well thats your probelm


[quote/]You can consider humanity as some sort of jewel of nature.
But I personally prefer thinking of it in less optimistic way.[/quote]

and thats kind of sad

 

[M920CAIN]

If you need to have sex to be sexual liberated I guess I'm out of this category.
ForeverAlone huh?

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Yes. No wait, no... Maybe? I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean for me.

For the most part I don't give a damn.