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So as you guys know by now I have been all over the Shadow of War bullshit for quite a while. From Lootboxes to the other drama which thankfully got resolved. And since I talked so much shit about the game without first hand knowledge, I feel like I would be hypocritical if I didn't give the game a fair shake. After all, I can't talk shit about a game I have never played and am only basically talking shit based on other people talking shit.

So now that I have put 12 hours into Shadow of War over this past weekend. Let's talk shit about Shadow of War.

First off let me get this out immediately. I have never ever liked the Lord of the Rings lore. The books were basically impossible for me to read through, the movies were long and incredibly boring, for whatever reason I can't get into LotR. So let that be a warning to you when I say that the story for Shadow of War is fucking bonkers bullshit. I guess at the end of the last game your character and his ghost buddy make a new 1 Ring, so there are two rings now. Except the very first thing that happens in Shadow of War is that Shelob steals the ring from you and gives you a vision of some town being fucked up by orcs. So you go off to fuck up some orcs. I think Shelob wants you to do this for her for some reason but I kinda zoned out so whatever, go fuck up orcs.

This is where the game begins and it becomes an orc murder party. I know people are tired of Arkham combat, which is the core of this game's combat system, but honestly it works really well here. Say what you want about it, but Arkham combat is just good. I mean sure it gets tired if every game you play has the same system but in a game here and there it is a fun system.

The first zone here basically sets up your core gameplay loop, and it is a bog standard open world. Every map has three or so towers that you capture to reveal secrets on the map. You gather the secrets and the collectibles (if you want), and then do story missions. Also on the map are a series of skulls which represent Orc Captains which are the fancy orcs you have to slay or capture (though you cannot capture any orcs in the first "act" of the game), and there are randomly generated raid missions which involve you clearing out a camp of orcs and their captain, or killing a captain before he kills another captain to rank himself up. These are cool little missions and I have to say that killing orcs is fucking fun.

What makes orc murder so fun is all the different captains. Each one has a theme and can have abilities that make you change up how you fight them. Some of them can't be stunned, others can't be executed, some you can't jump over, and so on. Even better is that these Captains can adapt on the fly. So if you jump over them too much in a fight, they will learn and block you every time you try to jump over them which makes you change up how you fight them while you fight them. It's really cool.

Each orc Captain you beat drops gear for Talion (your character), daggers, swords, bows or hammers, armor, and cloaks. The gear has mmo-like rarities, the higher rarity stuff dropping from higher rarity orcs. When you get into a fight with a captain their name will have a modifier next to it if they are a special orc (rare, epic, legendary), so that's how you'll know that you are fighting somebody cool. The equipment is a nice feature and the higher rarity items have little challenges on them that require you to do something special to unlock additional power on that gear piece. For example I got a dagger that required me to perform 3 stealth kills and once I did so it unlocked a bonus to stealth damage. Sine Captains usually can't be stealth killed outright, this provided a nice damage boost against them if you could hit them with a sneak attack first. So it's a decent loot system.

On the map, do not try and kill all the captains, or do all the little mini missions, trust me. Captains and missions are generated randomly and constantly so once you think you cleared the map, the icons will refill. I spent too long in the first area doing these things. So I was level 16 before I started doing the real story missions which made finishing Act 1 really really easy.

I continued to progress the story into act 2 so I could start dominating orcs to add to my army. Sadly I only got as far as the tutorial missions in Act 2 which teach you how to dominate orcs on the map which just make them fight in the area for you. Whatever this upcoming fortress mode thing is, I haven't unlocked it yet.

To sum up the gameplay, if you want to play a game with a fun combat system that you don't have to super pay attention too Shadow of War is actually pretty damn fun. Which makes the next part harder to have to say.

While playing Shadow of War, I couldn't help but feel like the game was holding back on me. I encountered my fair share of Rare, and even Epic orcs, but I only saw two Legendaries in conjunction with a couple of story missions. Maybe I was unlucky but that's what I encountered. Anytime you press start to access the menu, the game greets you with a highlighted marketplace and ads on weekly currency deals to buy. While it isn't as in your face as it could be, it's definitely there and obviously.

Shadow of war has two currencies. Silver which you earn in game from random drops on orcs, completing missions, and selling the worthless loot you find. And Gold which is the premium currency you must buy.

When you go into the marketplace, there are basically 9 total chests you can buy. Three of which can be bought from Silver. These silver chests can either have gear, orcs, or a mixture of both. However it should be noted that you CANNOT get Legendary orcs from the Silver chests. If you want more than whatever default Legendaries the game may or may not give you during normal gameplay, you will have to PAY for them. The same goes for legendary gear. While there are challenges in normal gameplay that will grant you legendary gear, extra legendary gear can only come from paid chests.

This made the game feel like it was holding out on me. I mean if you took the lootboxes and the storefront out completely, and the Legendary orcs and stuff were just rare and you only ever got a few items here and there, then it would be fine. But it's knowing that it is super rare in-game, but freely bought in the store just makes the game feel bad.

People will say that you can just ignore the store if you don't want to deal with it, but that just isn't true. The game EXPECTS you to buy chests. At least the Silver ones, because it showers you with silver. I had enough to buy 40 gear chests or 25ish orc chests by the end of the first act. The game expects you to go into that store, because buying the silver gear chests every so often is going to be the more reliable way of making sure you have decent gear for the higher and higher levels. It sucks, and you can try to ignore the store completely but eventually you will go there to get rid of your otherwise useless silver.

Lootboxes can eat dicks. At least it wouldn't be so bad if they gave you a Legendary chest every so often, or rare missions can earn you a little Gold every now and then. Maybe that comes later, but I've not seen that happening yet.

One small note about Sexy Shelob. She isn't sexy at all, and she is a only a character in the first act for the most part. You see her a grand total of like four times and then you move on from her storyline. Also you get to see her fight a bunch of ghost demons as a giant spider, so that was pretty fucking cool. Otherwise the sexy shelob thing was a non-issue, and people bitched for no reason because a character with ten minutes of screen time didn't stay a spider the whole time. Not to mention that she shows no cleavage, no skin really other that some shoulder, and a bit of leg. She isn't even sexy at all, she's just a lady. So that was a pointless argument imo.
 

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...Did you play the first one?

I ask cause well, one, the first helped me get into LOTR lore, second, the first game really spreads out giving you abilities, and you dont even get the defining "Mind Control Orcs" ability till like, the exact middle of the game.

I want to get this game, but literally the only worry from me is the loot boxes.
 

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One small note about Sexy Shelob. She isn't sexy at all, and she is a only a character in the first act for the most part. You see her a grand total of like four times and then you move on from her storyline. Also you get to see her fight a bunch of ghost demons as a giant spider, so that was pretty fucking cool. Otherwise the sexy shelob thing was a non-issue, and people bitched for no reason because a character with ten minutes of screen time didn't stay a spider the whole time. Not to mention that she shows no cleavage, no skin really other that some shoulder, and a bit of leg. She isn't even sexy at all, she's just a lady. So that was a pointless argument imo.
Well sexy is a matter of opinion. She is playing a manipulative seductress, but one who isn't offering sex.

I don't have a problem with this or the transformation thing. There is some additional backstory about her and Sauron, this could mess with people's headcannon, but nothing that spits on Tolkien as far as I've seen.
 

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Saelune said:
...Did you play the first one?

I ask cause well, one, the first helped me get into LOTR lore, second, the first game really spreads out giving you abilities, and you dont even get the defining "Mind Control Orcs" ability till like, the exact middle of the game.

I want to get this game, but literally the only worry from me is the loot boxes.
You have more abilities in this one, you get domination after act 1.

I'm in mid game and the loot boxes haven't bothered me. People have said you need the loot boxes at the end to avoid grinding for a secret ending, but I can't confirm that yet.
 

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wizzy555 said:
Saelune said:
...Did you play the first one?

I ask cause well, one, the first helped me get into LOTR lore, second, the first game really spreads out giving you abilities, and you dont even get the defining "Mind Control Orcs" ability till like, the exact middle of the game.

I want to get this game, but literally the only worry from me is the loot boxes.
You have more abilities in this one, you get domination after act 1.

I'm in mid game and the look boxes haven't bothered me. People have said you need the loot boxes at the end to avoid grinding for a secret ending, but I can't confirm that yet.
My point was more that going into this game, I would be more aware of the spreading of abilities, so I would not be surprised if some major abilities are not gained until half way or longer, so 12 hours might miss that.

Really I would hope that you start the game with most if not all of the abilities in the first. Ya know, like Banjo-Tooie.
 

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It's hard to be precise, you get depowered at the beginning but you have some new abilities you didn't have in the first game, like the double jump and elven rage.

You can get skill points to get more abilities and they have optional upgrades that you can only select one of. If you are very completionist you can unlock all the core abilities in the mid game. There are some abilities that are locked behind story progress. Towards you end you are unlocking ability upgrades that you can't use at the same time anyway.

But you also have more stuff to do with the orcs and the fortress management and the inventory upgrade system, so maybe that balances it out for you.
 

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Saelune said:
wizzy555 said:
Saelune said:
...Did you play the first one?

I ask cause well, one, the first helped me get into LOTR lore, second, the first game really spreads out giving you abilities, and you dont even get the defining "Mind Control Orcs" ability till like, the exact middle of the game.

I want to get this game, but literally the only worry from me is the loot boxes.
You have more abilities in this one, you get domination after act 1.

I'm in mid game and the look boxes haven't bothered me. People have said you need the loot boxes at the end to avoid grinding for a secret ending, but I can't confirm that yet.
My point was more that going into this game, I would be more aware of the spreading of abilities, so I would not be surprised if some major abilities are not gained until half way or longer, so 12 hours might miss that.

Really I would hope that you start the game with most if not all of the abilities in the first. Ya know, like Banjo-Tooie.
I didn't play the first one. However if you are talking about story mission unlocks, your skill tree tells you all the abilities you will get and I am only missing one story mission skill at this point, I don't remember what it is off the top of my head though. I have a lot of the skills unlocked though because I over-leveled a bit.
 

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CritialGaming said:
Saelune said:
wizzy555 said:
Saelune said:
...Did you play the first one?

I ask cause well, one, the first helped me get into LOTR lore, second, the first game really spreads out giving you abilities, and you dont even get the defining "Mind Control Orcs" ability till like, the exact middle of the game.

I want to get this game, but literally the only worry from me is the loot boxes.
You have more abilities in this one, you get domination after act 1.

I'm in mid game and the look boxes haven't bothered me. People have said you need the loot boxes at the end to avoid grinding for a secret ending, but I can't confirm that yet.
My point was more that going into this game, I would be more aware of the spreading of abilities, so I would not be surprised if some major abilities are not gained until half way or longer, so 12 hours might miss that.

Really I would hope that you start the game with most if not all of the abilities in the first. Ya know, like Banjo-Tooie.
I didn't play the first one. However if you are talking about story mission unlocks, your skill tree tells you all the abilities you will get and I am only missing one story mission skill at this point, I don't remember what it is off the top of my head though. I have a lot of the skills unlocked though because I over-leveled a bit.
Should play the first one. Its fun and doesnt have loot boxes.
 

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Saelune said:
CritialGaming said:
Saelune said:
wizzy555 said:
Saelune said:
...Did you play the first one?

I ask cause well, one, the first helped me get into LOTR lore, second, the first game really spreads out giving you abilities, and you dont even get the defining "Mind Control Orcs" ability till like, the exact middle of the game.

I want to get this game, but literally the only worry from me is the loot boxes.
You have more abilities in this one, you get domination after act 1.

I'm in mid game and the look boxes haven't bothered me. People have said you need the loot boxes at the end to avoid grinding for a secret ending, but I can't confirm that yet.
My point was more that going into this game, I would be more aware of the spreading of abilities, so I would not be surprised if some major abilities are not gained until half way or longer, so 12 hours might miss that.

Really I would hope that you start the game with most if not all of the abilities in the first. Ya know, like Banjo-Tooie.
I didn't play the first one. However if you are talking about story mission unlocks, your skill tree tells you all the abilities you will get and I am only missing one story mission skill at this point, I don't remember what it is off the top of my head though. I have a lot of the skills unlocked though because I over-leveled a bit.
Should play the first one. Its fun and doesnt have loot boxes.
I might. I have it, having bought the Game of the year version for like 4 bucks on a steam sale some time ago. I just never got around to it.
 

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OP pretty much confirmed my stance for me on not bothering with this series. Having these unique sounding ?captains? respawn infinitely and still ending up with lower class loot because the game seems to heavily encourage buying loot boxes makes it all feel very insignificant and defeating.

Besides, I?m having too much fun yet with Horizon and also Infamous: Second Son which I started last night. It?s ironic how both of those games begin on a rather low note and blossom into awesomeness shortly afterwards. And they both look pretty spectacular which always helps.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
OP pretty much confirmed my stance for me on not bothering with this series. Having these unique sounding ?captains? respawn infinitely and still end up with lower class loot because the game seems to heavily encourage buying loot boxes makes it all feel very insignificant and defeating.

Basides, I?m having too much fun yet with Horizon and also Infamous: Second Son which I started last night. It?s ironic how both of those games begin on a rather low note and blossom into awesomeness shortly afterwards. And they both look pretty spectacular which always helps.
That's all I could ever want. My review to inform enough to help someone decide for or against a given title. Thank you Hansel, it means a lot to know my "review" helped.
 

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I'm not going to buy it out of principle, good game or not. Loot boxes in an AAA game that also includes a Season Pass (a forty dollars season pass no less)? No, they can flark right off. This isn't something that should be encouraged.
 

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TheFinish said:
I'm not going to buy it out of principle, good game or not. Loot boxes in an AAA game that also includes a Season Pass (a forty dollars season pass no less)? No, they can flark right off. This isn't something that should be encouraged.
The DLC for the first one was pretty awful too, as far until I stopped paying attention to it. Just random challenge modes, nothing meaty like new enemies, or storyline or anything. Was like the pre-order "DLC" for Watch Dogs that was just time trial races.
 

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TheFinish said:
I'm not going to buy it out of principle, good game or not. Loot boxes in an AAA game that also includes a Season Pass (a forty dollars season pass no less)? No, they can flark right off. This isn't something that should be encouraged.
The DLC for the first one was pretty awful too, as far until I stopped paying attention to it. Just random challenge modes, nothing meaty like new enemies, or storyline or anything. Was like the pre-order "DLC" for Watch Dogs that was just time trial races.
Well the first one did have two "storyline" expansions: The Bright Lord (where you play as Celebrimbor) and Lord of the Hunt (which added more beast related stuff). But I agree, overall SoM's DLC wasn't worth spit.
 

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Kill off a lot of orcs instead of recruiting them. I've had 4 legendaries show up randomly because I kept the field open for captains to appear. Also sometimes letting grunt orcs kill you lets them become captains and there's a chance for them to become legendary/epics.
 

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One small note about Sexy Shelob. She isn't sexy at all, and she is a only a character in the first act for the most part. You see her a grand total of like four times and then you move on from her storyline. Also you get to see her fight a bunch of ghost demons as a giant spider, so that was pretty fucking cool. Otherwise the sexy shelob thing was a non-issue, and people bitched for no reason because a character with ten minutes of screen time didn't stay a spider the whole time. Not to mention that she shows no cleavage, no skin really other that some shoulder, and a bit of leg. She isn't even sexy at all, she's just a lady. So that was a pointless argument imo.
It's always bitching whenever someone makes an argument you don't like huh? But of course, you never actually say it to the face of the person you're accusing of bitching.

As for the loot boxes, my thoughts are well documented, but seriously man.
 

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Yeah the loot box are more than a little bit annoying even beyond the pay to win aspect. What's cool about the orc is to actually capture them, using currency (that you found in game) to buy orc just isn't interesting but at the same time it feel like you have to since you get tons of money and threes little to spend it on.

I was a bit disappointed with the skill system, there's very little new stuff on offer from the first one, which is annoying since the first one felt a bit limited, with no reliable way to poison enemy and such. The combat gets a "meh" from me, I never really liked the arkam system of getting surrounded but only engaging 1-2 at a time and timing counter, I'd much rather the system was dark soul inspired, with stamina, different weapon and a big focus on positioning.

I'm also a bit annoyed at how late we get the dominate ability, since so little changed from the first game except expending the dominate system I was hoping they'd make it available within the first 2 hour.
 

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It's always bitching whenever someone makes an argument you don't like huh? But of course, you never actually say it to the face of the person you're accusing of bitching.

As for the loot boxes, my thoughts are well documented, but seriously man.
Yeah pretty much. That view is pretty much universal isn't it. If someone was complaining to you about shit you didn't give a fuck about you would probably call it bitching too. Then again, you like to ride that horse pretty high so who the hell knows. And yes I would absolutely say that shit to someone's face. But hey man, you don't like my posts feel free to not reply to them. Cool thing about the internet is that you can just ignore people. It's awesome.
 

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erttheking said:
It's always bitching whenever someone makes an argument you don't like huh? But of course, you never actually say it to the face of the person you're accusing of bitching.

As for the loot boxes, my thoughts are well documented, but seriously man.
Yeah pretty much. That view is pretty much universal isn't it. If someone was complaining to you about shit you didn't give a fuck about you would probably call it bitching too. Then again, you like to ride that horse pretty high so who the hell knows. And yes I would absolutely say that shit to someone's face. But hey man, you don't like my posts feel free to not reply to them. Cool thing about the internet is that you can just ignore people. It's awesome.
No, not really. Mainly because I consider doing that to be an utter cop out on my end. Which, for the record, is also what the "if you don't like it" argument is. A total and utter fucking cop out. And "complaining to you." I struggle to recall people talking about it with you when you didn't reply to them first, you taking issue with them criticizing it. So maybe if you want to pull the "feel free to not reply" or "just ignore them" cards, you should consider taking your own fucking advice before you get all high and mighty.

And you would say it to someone's face? Ok. I'm waiting.
 

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I am enjoying the game quite a bit, I am about 3/4 through atm and its unaffected by lootboxes but i have a suspicion from how the fortress attacks play that my enjoyment is gonna take a massive nose dive if i bother to go for the complete ending.

I agree with others I was not going to buy this game due to the lootboxes being cancer but my sister brought it for me since she knows i am a LOTR fan and knows pretty much nothing about the state of the industry and lootboxes and i enjoyed the first one a lot.

I admit the loot system is complete shit and I stopped giving a crap about drops after the first hour it makes so little difference, Every hour or so i just equip the highest level item I have that doesn't have a shit upgrade and continue as it feels hollow and unimportant which i suspect is a product of the shitty lootbox system.

hope this info helps someone


As for the last few posts I am guessing there is a history between you guys as it seem to come out of left field and while i do my best not to take sides i kinda gotta throw my hat in the isn't that the definition of bitching? Someone complaining about something you regard as stupid or unimportant?