Sharia (Islamic Law) in Great Britain

[FSAB]

Well I for one don't think you're racist. I just think you're stupid. That's the same view I hold for any religious fundamentalist.

What makes you think I'm a fundamentalist? The fact I don't like cutral imperalism, or bemone predigist posts? Well i'm a atheist, and I don't agree with a lot of what I hear about Sharia law, but I would never out and out desmiss it, I would have discusions with a muslim about what it means to them and how they interprate it for themselves, cause I don't think they take me acting as a superior being and them as unwashed barbarians to well.

 

[Ixus Illwrath]

Wow check out all the border line racism on this thread. Yes it is racist to claim someones culture is wrong and your cultrue is supeior to theirs. I do belive thats the defention of racism, as race also includes that perosns cultrual belifes.

If it is racist to think that beating your wife is wrong, then I guess I'm full blown KKK. Funny though, I don't recall ever getting my robe and pointy hat, I guess I'll have to address that to the Grand Dragon.

But seriously, we aren't (most of us aren't) saying their culture is wrong, we're saying if they want their culture, stay in their country. It is not racist to stand up for our own culture in our own nation, they are the foreigners, it's their job to acclimatize to us, not the other way around. And that is not racist. How can it be racist to ask them to respect our culture?

QFT. I'm still haunted with images from Children of Men as to how limp-wristed European nations are defending their cultural sovereignty.

Edit: @FSAB I don't think you're a fundamentalist, either. Like I said, I just don't think you're too bright. hint: if there's a red line under it you misspelled it. Or it's a proper noun.

 

[Ixus Illwrath]

we are currently overrun with Muslims, Poles and Foxes.

I'm gonna assume Poles means Polish in this case... but what is a Fox?

 

[FSAB]

really i thought it was wonderful, since no matter where you go and no matter a cabbie's race religion or creed, A british cabbie is always and fundamentally a british cabbie. It highlights the integration that democracies can achieve when you just treat someone as an individual rather than by a label such as muslim or asian.

And I havent, I have been critising those who do like....

WHY WHY WHY?

Why should there laws legally Binding? I mean what the heck?.

If say, tons of english people, went to a country full of islams, And asked for there laws to legally binding, The islams would say no. So why the hell are giving them the right to there laws in OUR country. Its not right IMO

It that type of ignorance I don't like, and and don't know why people are acting so wildly to what I said. If your not predigist in your views then what I'm saying doesn't apply to you, unless it does but you refuse to face up to this and push it to the back of your mind and flip out when something makes you face up to your predigist.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

I'm gonna assume Poles means Polish in this case... but what is a Fox?

Foxes are orange dog-like creatures with bushy tails and rabies. Look pretty cute though. And Poles are Polish people.

 

[Capt_Jack_Doicy]

we are currently overrun with Muslims, Poles and Foxes.

I'm gonna assume Poles means Polish in this case... but what is a Fox?

An orange and white predator/ scavenger part of the canine family

 

[DannyDamage]

I have to put up with the retarded laws in England and so should anyone that comes to live here. Get over it.

EDIT: Hahahaha, I wondered how long it would take for folk to wave the 'I'm from London, the cultural epicentre of the fucking universe, look how tolerant I am because I know a few foreigners, you're all a bunch of racists' flag.

Piss off! You're as bad as my sister and other London-tools.

 

[Ixus Illwrath]

I'm gonna assume Poles means Polish in this case... but what is a Fox?

Foxes are orange dog-like creatures with bushy tails and rabies. Look pretty cute though. And Poles are Polish people.

Damn, I really should've seen that coming.

 

[Capt_Jack_Doicy]

I noticed an article today in the Times that said Sharia has been adopted as legally binding law in Great Britain.

If you take their word for everything, we are currently overrun with Muslims, Poles and Foxes. All of these combined have led to an "economic breakdown", an increase in house prices and the death of Princess Diana. And you know, if she was alive everything would be OK again. The day I believe anything they have to say is the day... can't think of anything witty at the moment.

But to play devil's advocate, they can obey their own laws all they want so long as:
a) They don't conflict the current laws in place
b) They don't apply to people not of that faith
Nothing wrong with multi-culturalism but for the ones that have fled other countries, troubled or not, they should have to accept the laws in place as a sort of deal for them being allowed to live here out of charity.

I think your confusing the times with the Express and the Mail and a lesser extent the telegraph, the times is only slight right of centre and definitely doesn't have the Express obession with Diana.

 

[FSAB]

Edit: @FSAB I don't think you're a fundamentalist, either. Like I said, I just don't think you're too bright. hint: if there's a red line under it you misspelled it. Or it's a proper noun.

Since when does spelling equal interlect, I can still reason and think for myself. And no a red line doen't appear under my misspelled words so i try to overcome my dyslexia by myself and hope people look past my spelling and focas on my points but I guess thats hopeing for to much isn't it.

 

[Capt_Jack_Doicy]

I'm gonna assume Poles means Polish in this case... but what is a Fox?

Foxes are orange dog-like creatures with bushy tails and rabies. Look pretty cute though. And Poles are Polish people.

Foxes don't carry rabies, infact other than bats from Europe there are no animals that carry rabies in the british isles it was eradicated in the first half of the last century, it also the reason for the UK quarantine laws.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

I think your confusing the times with the Express and the Mail and a lesser extent the telegraph, the times is only slight right of centre and definitely doesn't have the Express obession with Diana.

Most of it was about the Mail to be fair. I tend to lump all of these sorts of newpapers into one catagory of untrust.
Only one I can really take the word of is the Guardian and even they have been slightly overdoing it of late.

 

[fix-the-spade]

For example, in the case of spousal abuse: will this be considered a criminal act or a private case to be worked out? Are there grey areas that could lead to frayed tensions between these two different streams of law?

In regards to spousal abuse (or any form of assualt) UK law is that it's a criminal offence and should be dealt with accordingly, regardless of Religious beliefs. The police do not need the victim to press charges in instances of physical violence, but they do need them to bare witness, which is where a lot of cases fall down.

 

[DannyDamage]

Most of it was about the Mail to be fair. I tend to lump all of these sorts of newpapers into one catagory of untrust.
Only one I can really take the word of is the Guardian and even they have been slightly overdoing it of late.

I personally lump all newpapers into the 'category of untrust', not being a pessimist, but they're all full of lies and crap. But they give away free DVDs, that should be a good counterbalance for pages upon pages of bollocks.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Most of it was about the Mail to be fair. I tend to lump all of these sorts of newpapers into one catagory of untrust.
Only one I can really take the word of is the Guardian and even they have been slightly overdoing it of late.

I personally lump all newpapers into the 'category of untrust', not being a pessimist, but they're all full of lies and crap. But they give away free DVDs, that should be a good counterbalance for pages upon pages of bollocks.

I can sort of understand because they're made as a business. Their goal is to sell copies. If your front page is "Cat stuck up a tree - fire service called" then you're not going to be making major money. Although I would personally enjoy reading the account of that cat.
This is what the BBC is meant to be for. But isn't really anymore.

 

[werepossum]

That's absolutely terrible. If mercy killings etc. become legal you guys need to start burning govt buildings down, stuff like that should NEVER be allowed in any culture.

I think you mean honor killings. Whilst there are no doubt mullahs who want honor killing cases heard in Sharia courts, this is far, far beyond the current scope of these courts. There may be civil matters between families which are adjudicated in Sharia court - for example, does the man (or the boy's family) who defiled the daughter and thereby required her killing owe her father a monetary payment? But the actual murder would be a matter for UK criminal courts. Violent felonies are far beyond arbitration of any form, and in any case if you are murdered, you can hardly agree to arbitration in Sharia court.

Technically you could still move a civil case related to the death (Britain, like the US, recognizes "wrongful death" as tort law thing) to a Sharia court, couldn't you?

-- Alex

Yes, moving into Sharia court a civil case based on an honor killing would be acceptable and its verdict enforceable by other and higher UK courts, as long as both parties agreed to waive their rights and go to binding arbitration, in this case Sharia court. My point was that the murder charge stemming from an honor killing would remain in UK criminal court even if it was acceptable and/or required by Sharia law.

FSAB, if you truly believe all cultures are equal then you are an idiot. Some Arab and African Muslim cultures still support the keeping of slaves. Are they truly equal to today's British culture? Additionally, some Muslim cultures support honor killings as not only justified but required, with the aggrieved parent receiving little or no jail time even if convicted. The majority aren't even prosecuted. Is the concept that a twelve-year old who has been raped should then be murdered by her parents to restore the family honor equal to today's British culture? Is the concept that a homosexual should be burned alive equal to today's British culture? I might accept the concept that, say, Turkish Islamic culture is equal but different to European/Western culture (to the extent that the latter is monolithic) as worthy of discussion, but I will never accept the concept that these radical Islamic cultures (e.g. Pushtu, Palestinian) are equal as even worthy of discussion; they clearly are not. They aren't even within spitting distance of European/Western culture.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Given Sharia Law is considerably more flaky than the Bible, I think this is a BAD idea.

One 'cleric' has reported on TV that it is against Sharia Law for women to have facial hair, or not to shave 'certain areas'.

Lock Sharia Law down in stone first, and THEN look at it objectively.

 

[FSAB]

Most of it was about the Mail to be fair. I tend to lump all of these sorts of newpapers into one catagory of untrust.
Only one I can really take the word of is the Guardian and even they have been slightly overdoing it of late.

Any one who does read the Mail for anything other then amusment should be given a wide burth. And the guardian always over does it, it wouldn't be the guardian if they didn't.

 

[Capt_Jack_Doicy]

really i thought it was wonderful, since no matter where you go and no matter a cabbie's race religion or creed, A british cabbie is always and fundamentally a british cabbie. It highlights the integration that democracies can achieve when you just treat someone as an individual rather than by a label such as muslim or asian.

And I havent, I have been critising those who do like....

WHY WHY WHY?

Why should there laws legally Binding? I mean what the heck?.

If say, tons of english people, went to a country full of islams, And asked for there laws to legally binding, The islams would say no. So why the hell are giving them the right to there laws in OUR country. Its not right IMO

It that type of ignorance I don't like, and and don't know why people are acting so wildly to what I said. If your not predigist in your views then what I'm saying doesn't apply to you, unless it does but you refuse to face up to this and push it to the back of your mind and flip out when something makes you face up to your predigist.

Yes some people are prejudice however very few are prejudice against actually individuals more anonymous groups such as the individual you quoted up there, a them vs us attitude but it also this fear than many such people have that there own culture is being washed away. which is quite frankly silly given that first British culture as always embraced diversity and new ideas just look at the food, Tea from china, curry from india and potatoes from america. Its especially ludcrious considering the enormous influence British culture still exerts to this day, from the Beatles to Shakespeare, from English Law to the English language i can't see it disappearing. However it truely ridiculous when its about Islam, it adherrents make up about a 1/60 of the population whereas thanks to recent immigration from eastern europe and the selection process of catholic schools catholicism is no the biggest religion in the country and the only one proscribed against in law.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I'm gonna assume Poles means Polish in this case... but what is a Fox?

Foxes are orange dog-like creatures with bushy tails and rabies. Look pretty cute though. And Poles are Polish people.

Ahem...very false. Hydrophobia/Rabies has never been active in England APART from animals brought in breaking the quarantine.