Shooting in Boulder, CO Leaves 10 Dead, Including One Police Officer

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Ditto. Used to happen somewhat frequently when I was in college, got less common after about 30.

Every few months during my college days I'd get pulled over, they'd take a super long time after they took my license/insurance/registration, roughly half the time backup would show up (3 times said backup was a K9 unit), and after a total of about half an hour they'd return my documents and tell me to "be safe out there" or similar. No explanation given. That was back when I drove a red 2 seat Geo Metro convertible. It sounded like a swarm of angry bees that got angrier as you went faster. Speedometer stopped at 85, taking the car over 70 was a very bad idea that made it make noises car engines aren't supposed to make.
I used to ride my bike to work at Carl's Jr when I was like 17-19 and there was one local cop who always needed to fuck with my day. The dude used to pull me over on my bicycle like with the pedals and no motor kind, he pulled me over, and he would search me. Stuck his hands in my pockets and shit too. I wonder now if the guy just wanted to feel for my dick honestly because there was no reason to mess with a kid wearing a fast food uniform on a fucking bicycle all the damn time, but lo-and-behold it happened fairly often until I got a different job and changed the route I took.
 

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I read the thread title "8 People Killed In Atlanta Massage Parlor Shootings" thinking it was this story, and thought to myself "Oh, I thought it was 10 people?"

Before remembering that these are two different events.

America is nuts
It's almost like America is essentially 50 countries taped together and if you treated someplace like Europe as one giant country you'd see just as many violent incidents happening.
 
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Instead he is giving billions to foreign countries while barely giving his own citizens the relief aid they need to get through the economic bullshit that the government caused over the past year.
It's not "instead"; it's "as well as". These are separate things. He's doing a bad thing and, separately, a good thing, and there's no connection between them.

Yep why get it yourself when you can go to war and steal it from others. Makes sense to me.
Y'know, oil isn't the sole possible method of providing energy. One might even argue that weaning the US off oil makes such wars less likely in future.
 
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It's almost like America is essentially 50 countries taped together and if you treated someplace like Europe as one giant country you'd see just as many violent incidents happening.
Not really.

America has a population of over 300 million, so yes, the amount of murders is going to be much greater than a country with a smaller population. But when we look at per capita deaths, the United States is clearly an outlier among OECDs, which, incidentally, is a group that Western Europe falls into, and depending on where you draw the line, Eastern Europe as well.

I actually looked up the murder rate globally, and the United States does have a higher murder rate (5.35 per 100,000) than most European countries, even ones in the eastern part. Yes, Russia is much higher (10.82) but then you get stuff like, say, Portugal and Spain (0.64/0.63). So, no, if the European Union became a single country day, it might have more total deaths than the US, but per capita deaths would still be lower.

But even then, while I'm not trying to sound morally superior, the US gun culture strikes me as absolutely bizzare. Within my own lifetime, I've beheld the Port Arthur Massacre (though a bit too young to remember it) and the Christchurch Mosque shooting, and both Howard and Ardern, leaders on opposite sides of the aile, acted immediately. The US seems to have a mass shooting every other week.
 

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It's almost like America is essentially 50 countries taped together and if you treated someplace like Europe as one giant country you'd see just as many violent incidents happening.
Overall, the USA's murder rate is ~5 per 100,000 with a range of about 1.5 - 10 per state. The EU, by contrast, is ~1.7 per 100,000 with a range of about 0.5 - 5 per country.

Thus in the sense that the USA is 50 countries taped together, the least murdery states are significantly worse than the least murdery EU countries, and the most murdery states are significantly worse than the most murdery EU countries, and the average murderiness of the USA is significantly worse, too. When you factor in the strong correlation between high HDI and low murder rate, and then consider that about a half of the EU (by population) are in countries with GDP/capita less than half the USA's, it's even more stark.

As I like to point out in my antipsychotic drugs lecture to put schizophrenics' reputation for violence in context: place someone in a room with a random British schizophrenic or a random American, statistically they're more likely to walk out alive if they were in the room with the British schizophrenic.
 
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It's almost like America is essentially 50 countries taped together and if you treated someplace like Europe as one giant country you'd see just as many violent incidents happening.
As someone who lives in the UK, when something awful happens somewhere in Europe, the news sources that I follow tend to report it.

Once or twice a year, I hear about something awful that happens somewhere in all of Europe.

Once or twice a month, I hear about something awful that has happened somewhere in America.

These two places are barely comparable.

If only we could pinpoint the one thing that America has in abundance, that Europe largely lacks.
 

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Yeah wind power is great so long as it doesn't get too cold.
So you... want the US to remain reliant on fossil fuels? Think renewables aren't worth the shift? What?

I'm struggling to see what point is being made here, other than just aimless snark because someone pointed out your original complaint made no sense.
 

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So you... want the US to remain reliant on fossil fuels? Think renewables aren't worth the shift? What?

I'm struggling to see what point is being made here, other than just aimless snark because someone pointed out your original complaint made no sense.
Not to mention that there are windmills and whatnot in The Arctic. Windmills shutting down because the government didn't bother having them up to cold regulations is strictly a Texas problem...
 
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Yeah wind power is great so long as it doesn't get too cold.
Or if, you know, you build the turbines able to deal with the cold. There's a reason wind works in climates much colder than Texas typically is, and the answer is that Texas didn't install the equipment necessary to handle that cold because, well, it's Texas, it's cheaper to not install it, and Texas getting that cold is a rare event.
 
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Ugh big ooofs.....
 

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Ugh big ooofs.....

Oh, jeez, okay. So there were... quite a few indicators there that should have been warning signs. And the NRA still stand dead against adequate background checks.
 
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Oh, jeez, okay. So there were... quite a few indicators there that should have been warning signs. And the NRA still stand dead against adequate background checks.
Yeah I mean I'm not in favor of banning guns. But I feel like the restrictions should probably be much tighter.

Then again the argument can be made that a good person could turn bad at any point after long since getting a weapon, so how can you protect against that? I don't know the answer, but we could at least start with tighter gun control and then see if it helps any. right?
 

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Oh, jeez, okay. So there were... quite a few indicators there that should have been warning signs. And the NRA still stand dead against adequate background checks.
Well the NRA isn't a gun rights organization, they're the gun manufacturers lobbying arm. They don't care about safety or constitutional law, they care about sales.
And they're also a money laundering front, but that's another story.
 
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