Shooting Spree in England.

[A-Heart-Of-Gold]

As I live in Cumbria (admitadly the other side to where the shootings were!) I can safely say that the atmosphere in the whole county is such a shock!

We never see things like this thats mainly why it is such a horific event! even though last week there was a bus crash and killed two school children!

The normal headlines for Cumbria is some farm disbute or such like thats why it has shocked every one and the police for is such that they have to draft in people from the surounding counties!

This is horific and my heart gose out to all families of the dead and those still in critical conditions!

 

[Malyc]

um... I think this proves something about gun control but im not sure what...

It proves that gun control must be made internationally mandatory. *glares at America*

*Glares right back through scope of high powered rifle*
Try it, buddy. Just fing try it.

 

[nick n stuff]

what's wrong with the world. people are strange.

 

[Technocrat]

Obvously, it was all the computer games that this grandfather played that...oh no, wait...

 

[Pandalisk]

Sad news indeed

News seems to always be sad, News Outlets love sad news, i remember seeing a Documentary about it, something to do with the end of the Cold War, the end of Black and White, Evil and Good, The Greying of it all, really interesting, i should find the link.

You never hear about good news round here, we dont have any news really but the news finds a way to make it bad like a recent headline "DEBATE ON ALGAE CONTINUES TO BE DERAILED" in Bold Black letters on the front page, "Oh the humanity!". I really cant tell if the Editor is Dead serious or a Comical Genious

If a chocolate Factory exploded next to a Candy and puppy factory, we'd hear about the death toll of Chocolate workers and Chocolate-(Afied?) Puppies Than the Chocolate Splender Heaven i imagine would insue.

The Magic of dairy Chocolate has blinded my Sense of reality.

Anyheway

I think guns should be banned, i understand the other view, but i prefer mine, i can outrun some Basterd with a knife for about 2 miles if i enountered one everyday, guns are banned over here, and it works pretty well, granted we cant do anything when guys with Sawn-Offs rob the local bank and burn their Car round the back of my neighbours house, but i dont want some unsavoury characters who arn't smart enough to get guns illegaly, to be able to get them legally, i fear the Yob more than the Gunman who just wants money from a bank, at least they have a primary goal

1. Steal Money
2. Scare people shitless
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

I think my area would be worse with legalised guns, but that might not hold true for other areas, i really cant speak for places like London.

 

[Chipperz]

Calumon: ... *Silent in the memory of those lost*

...What in God's name made you think that was appropriate? Twelve people died, so you decide to share the opinions of a cartoon rat?

OT - My heart goes out to the people who died, the people in hospital, and their families. As much as I know this won't happen, I hope that they aren't the centre of a media shitstorm and the kind of shameful arguments seen on here.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Wow.

It's good to know that with some of my friends crying at me over the phone because people they know got shot and killed, we on the Escapist can remember what's really important and argue about gun control.

You stay classy.

 

[Danzaivar]

I sure do feel safe knowing this could happen at any time and I have no way to defend myself. At least they'll no doubt place even more laws in place til it reaches a point where farmers can't shoot vermin and drive up prices at the shops even more.

Then it'll happen again, lol.

 

[Mcface]

shows that even if guns are illegal, people will still get their hands on them if they really want to kill people.

Owning firearms is illegal in Britain. This is just another example of how gun control laws don't work. They're a waste of time for legislation and a waste of money for enforcement. All they do is empower criminals because they're no longer afraid of their victims having defense. There's nothing easier for a criminal to get his hands on than contraband items. Hell, it's just as easy to get drugs in our prisons as it is to get them on the streets.

Do any of you people bother reading up on the subjects you talk about, or even read what people have to say in the thread?

Manual action rifles and shotguns are both legal in the UK with the right permit. These were in all likelihood legally obtained wepons.

*SNIP*
That means that, based on these statistics, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK as you are to be a victim of gun crime in the US."

Incorrect. 'knife crime' and 'gun crime' include any crime in which a knife or gun has been involved, simply carrying a knife is a 'knife crime' or owning an illegal firarm in the US, doesn't mean anyone has been a 'victim'.

As someone else pointed out US Murder rate is over twice that of the UK. I have to go to work now, but I'll be back and I'm fairly sure our current rate is about 1.4 and yours about 5.9 (I'll check later), that's 3.5 times ours.
I don't like getting into cross atlantic arguments about gun control because no one seems to recognise that each countries laws are the most suitable for the firearms/crime situation in that country. What does piss me off however is people who havent a fucking clue misrepresenting the situation in another country to try and prove their own agenda back home. UK gun control works very nicely for us, legalise handguns etc to tyhe extent you have in the US and you watch our death rates soar...maybe up as high as 5.9 in every hundred thousand from our nicely low approx 1.5-2

Then you must not like this thread, because I was arguing with several people from the UK, complaining about our gun control laws, when it had nothing to do with this thread, at all. A guy in the UK went on a shooting spree, he obviously got a gun. It's obivously not impossible. I fail to see however, why US gun control was even brought up. I was defending a point made by another user.

 

[Jharry5]

12 people gunned down, but the main topic at hand is gun control?

Can people not go and use the sensless murder of 12 people to advocate their differing beliefs towards gun control. This is a time when our thoughts should be with the victims and their families - not political one-upmanship over which country has a better stance towards the legality of gun ownership.

Truer words were never spoken/typed.

It's pretty meaningless to the families that I'm typing this on an internet forum, but for what its worth, my condolences go out to all the families of the victims.

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

12 people killed by one madman with a gun.

You see, if we legalised guns over here, this sort of thing would happen much more frequently.

EDIT: Yes, OK, if guns were legal over here, someone could have stopped him. But then there would be a lot more guns on the streets, and thugs with knives would become thugs with guns. You can outrun someone with a knife. Outrunning bullets is something much harder.

Well, guns are legal, but you have to be interview by the police to make sure you want it for legitimate reasons (hunting/target shooting) before you are legaly allowed to own it.
and RIP to the people killed

 

[Jirlond]

EDIT: Yes, OK, if guns were legal over here, someone could have stopped him. But then there would be a lot more guns on the streets, and thugs with knives would become thugs with guns. You can outrun someone with a knife. Outrunning bullets is something much harder.

I agree with your edit - people dont understand about inflation. Sure we have armed response units but they have to be called out - patrols carry non lethal force which slows inflation of arms

 

[V TheSystem V]

I have used/seen people with guns in the past. It's been rare, but it's still quite scary.

Used to be in the Air Training Corps, have used rifles.

This guy who I used to be friends with owned an air rifle. Went down his house one day, his friend pointed it at me, saying it wasn't loaded. He didn't shoot me to prove it, but shot at a bucket. A round bounced off the bucket, showing he was lying to me. If he had shot at me I would probably either be badly scarred or dead.

When I was 10 I was with friends and saw a guy walking up the street holding a handgun.

On my 12th birthday, a Year 11 had apparently brought an air rifle into school as it was their last day. He didn't shoot anyone, but it was still quite terrifying, because he could have done anything.

3 years later several middle aged men were spotted in a tent outside my school with shotguns. They were related to a girl in one of my classes.

Guns are scary and dangerous, and can cause widespread panic even if they aren't used. Just knowing that guy was in the same country as me is pretty damn freaky.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

1. Steal Money
2. Scare people shitless
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

I think my area would be worse with legalised guns, but that might not hold true for other areas, i really cant speak for places like London.

That's a pretty curt and effective way of putting it. I like it :] May I borrow?

I will add I have never understood the notion of 'Right to bear Arms' because the alot of cultural and historical writers comment that the original translation of what it really means is 'Arme Ferre' ... which means the 'right to join a militia when needed for the defence of the Nation'.

It doesn't really extend to buying lots of guns for personal protection.

I don't get why people automatically think 'arms' = fireARMS ... 'Bear Arms' means to bear a militia in a cultural and historic sense. To 'Bear Arms' means to raise an army when needed.

 

[SamFancyPants252]

some guy was trimming his hedge and....
well, boom, headshot doesn't seem appropriate right now...
but such a waste of life for all 13 counts (he shot himself)
Does anyone know what gun he used?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

some guy was trimming his hedge and....
well, boom, headshot doesn't seem appropriate right now...
but such a waste of life for all 13 counts (he shot himself)
Does anyone know what gun he used?

Shotgun and some type of automatic rifle last I heard, but there's been no details released yet. I think he used the shotgun on himself to doubly make sure he wouldn't be taken alive.

 

[Pandalisk]

1. Steal Money
2. Scare people shitless
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

I think my area would be worse with legalised guns, but that might not hold true for other areas, i really cant speak for places like London.

That's a pretty curt and effective way of putting it. I like it :] May I borrow?

I will add I have never understood the notion of 'Right to bear Arms' because the alot of cultural and historical writers comment that the original translation of what it really means is 'Arme Ferre' ... which means the 'right to join a militia when needed for the defence of the Nation'.

It doesn't really extend to buying lots of guns for personal protection.

I don't get why people automatically think 'arms' = fireARMS ... 'Bear Arms' means to bear a militia in a cultural and historic sense. To 'Bear Arms' means to raise an army when needed.

i thought it meant every one has the right to own Arms of a grizzly bear?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

1. Steal Money
2. Scare people shitless
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

I think my area would be worse with legalised guns, but that might not hold true for other areas, i really cant speak for places like London.

That's a pretty curt and effective way of putting it. I like it :] May I borrow?

I will add I have never understood the notion of 'Right to bear Arms' because the alot of cultural and historical writers comment that the original translation of what it really means is 'Arme Ferre' ... which means the 'right to join a militia when needed for the defence of the Nation'.

It doesn't really extend to buying lots of guns for personal protection.

I don't get why people automatically think 'arms' = fireARMS ... 'Bear Arms' means to bear a militia in a cultural and historic sense. To 'Bear Arms' means to raise an army when needed.

i thought it meant every one has the right to own Arms of a grizzly bear?

Even better ... right to play with your DNA to HAVE bear arms .... that would be freaking awesome.

I'm moving to the US , becoming a citizen, then suing the government to give me (surgically or genetically) grizzly bear arms

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Then you must not like this thread, because I was arguing with several people from the UK, complaining about our gun control laws, when it had nothing to do with this thread, at all. A guy in the UK went on a shooting spree, he obviously got a gun. It's obivously not impossible. I fail to see however, why US gun control was even brought up. I was defending a point made by another user.

Correct, I do not. But when I see people spouting crap about UK gun control laws/crime I like to answer. Gun control was brought up by several posters, from the US and the UK, feel free to correct misconceptions UK posters have about your country, I will do likewise for mine.

Maybe you were (defending a post etc), but you still made incorrect assertions about the state of crime in the US and UK through incorrect interpretation of statistics, I was correcting them. Only the first paragraph was aimed at you, the rest was a general reply to all the 'hurr, stupid limeys coulda stopped this if they all had loadsa guns' posts. Although my resistance is strong I cannot claim to be completely immune to flamebait.

 

[Mcface]

Then you must not like this thread, because I was arguing with several people from the UK, complaining about our gun control laws, when it had nothing to do with this thread, at all. A guy in the UK went on a shooting spree, he obviously got a gun. It's obivously not impossible. I fail to see however, why US gun control was even brought up. I was defending a point made by another user.

Correct, I do not. But when I see people spouting crap about UK gun control laws/crime I like to answer. Gun control was brought up by several posters, from the US and the UK, feel free to correct misconceptions UK posters have about your country, I will do likewise for mine.

Maybe you were (defending a post etc), but you still made incorrect assertions about the state of crime in the US and UK through incorrect interpretation of statistics, I was correcting them. Only the first paragraph was aimed at you, the rest was a general reply to all the 'hurr, stupid limeys coulda stopped this if they all had loadsa guns' posts. Although my resistance is strong I cannot claim to be completely immune to flamebait.

What? How is that false? You are more likely to be stabbed in the UK, than shot in the States, statistic wise.