Should anonymity be denied on the internet to avoid abuse?

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Bad Jim

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s3cur1tr0n said:
In worrying about peoples hurt feelings are we really willing to give up one of our last bastions of free speech? The way things have been going lately with NSA spying, cell phone metadata collection etc, it would leave you no way to voice your dissent from an oppressive overreaching government.
As far as the NSA goes, they can probably track you anyway. Even without the tin foil hat technology that may or may not exist, they can still get information from forum owners like the ip of who posted, which will usually lead back to your router. If you're a real ninja you can get around stuff like that, but most people don't.
 

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Bad Jim said:
s3cur1tr0n said:
In worrying about peoples hurt feelings are we really willing to give up one of our last bastions of free speech? The way things have been going lately with NSA spying, cell phone metadata collection etc, it would leave you no way to voice your dissent from an oppressive overreaching government.
As far as the NSA goes, they can probably track you anyway. Even without the tin foil hat technology that may or may not exist, they can still get information from forum owners like the ip of who posted, which will usually lead back to your router. If you're a real ninja you can get around stuff like that, but most people don't.
Also, the NSA is unlikely to want to go after you personally (but they are still a worry).

Upset the wrong randoms, however, someone that takes a personal stand against you (even briefly) and you're in trouble.
 

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s3cur1tr0n said:
In worrying about peoples hurt feelings are we really willing to give up one of our last bastions of free speech? The way things have been going lately with NSA spying, cell phone metadata collection etc, it would leave you no way to voice your dissent from an oppressive overreaching government.
Fully agreed.

Above all else, removing anonymity would be a very real threat against democracy.
 

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I don't think this is the answer at all. Give me more anonymity if anything. I want far LESS governing, not more. As said above Facebook has leagues of people being pricks to one another, anonymity had little to do with trolling there.
 

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zen5887 said:
Getting rid of anonymity to stop online abuse is like trimming the branches if you've got overgrowth. It's a knee jerk reaction that isn't at all addressing the real issue. Punishment and accountability are definitely important, but so is prevention and education. Now, you're obviously not going to weed out racism and sexism that easily, but making kids aware that what they are doing is wrong, damaging, and unnecessary is going to be way more effective than stripping anonymity.

Having said that, if some institution like Reddit or The Escapist or whatever forced users to use their real details then that's totally up to them. Maybe it would stop people being shitheads, but I'm sure they'll find another way to be shitheads.

Stopping people from becoming shitheads in the first place is going to be more effective.
The primary problem with stripping away anonymity is there are plenty of ways that could do actual harm. While it certainly lets unpleasant sorts get away with being unpleasant, it also gives a degree of protection to transgender and homosexual people - if they live in areas where the atmosphere is not particularly friendly toward their orientation or gender identity, it gives them a shield between those who might maliciously expose them to the local population and drop them into unpleasant or potentially even fatal situations (being transgender increases your chances of being murdered by 25% for example).
 

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Why? It won't fix the problem. Anonymity contributes, sure, but people were being dicks to each other long before the internet was invented.
As previous posters have pointed out, people still abuse others on sites like Facebook, where their real names are posted. And even offline, people are dicks. I deal with them every day.
 

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Personally speaking, that would make folks easier targets in my opinion.
Not only as stated above would your new boss have access to 'everything' youve ever written, but also on the other hand folks would have an easier time finding...Ill say 'targets'.

Fact taken some folks take forum fights/games very seriously, and would do harm to a person because of them. In the back of my head personally I just believe that it would make it easier for those individuals to find their targets and cause harm to them.

Not only that, but (myself included) some people like to be a 'name' Ill say. It leaves that person freedom to speak whats on their minds without having to go to work the next day and hear from your workmates that they saw your post. For instance ehh..what do I know, I could make a collage of kitten and puppy pics, and post it online..voila.. that made me happy cause kittens and puppies are cute. I could post that online for other folks to see and I had fun doing it.

Now to put that into retroperspective, lets say that chap made that collage/posted it online and still went to school(thank god Im not in school anymore haha..teachers, I respect your job more then anyone elses). But we all know how cruel and empathetic children can be via bullying etc. That chap's bullies could find it, promote it to the whole school and they'd have enough ammo to make fun of him to make the next couple months miserable for him.

Of course removing Anonymity in some places would be good to be able to 'find' folks who want to do others harm, but the police etc can find out that info anyways. So I see no real reason to bring on civil judgement in most cases.

All in all its a 2 edged blade Ill say hehe:)

On one hand: It would remove alot of freedom from folks and make them easier targets.
On the other: It might be easier to find folks who did/are planning harm to others.
 

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BathorysGraveland2 said:
Isn't Facebook proof it won't do shit? People say all kinds of retarded shit on there, and insult the living hell out of each other, name and face be damned.
Yeah, I've got people who I know are using their real names to say all sorts of racist, Nazi violent bullshit. And when I say "Nazi," I mean as in "Heil Hitler," not as in "something I don't like.

I'm not saying nobody will ever be stopped from doing anything, but I seriously doubt there would be enough of an effect to make it worth the trouble.

Besides, we're also currently dealing with harassment by Doxing, and I somehow doubt that's going to get any better if you can identify people.
 

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Eamar said:
4) Anonymity has its upsides as well as its downsides: some people are more comfortable discussing all sorts of sensitive topics anonymously. For example, someone who's gay but not out to their family can express themselves behind a pseudonym. Someone with a mental illness can talk about it frankly without fear of an unsympathetic employer linking the comments back to them. People can ask questions about embarrassing medical issues they've been having. You're free to vent about people in your life and their behaviour (irritating family, inept colleagues, creepy exes...). The list goes on.
This was my immediate thought as well. I don't really see a removal of anonymity changing my personal internet usage all that much, and I do absolutely see the removal of anonymity helping curb at least some of the online stupidity. There are, however, real and tangible benefits to having an anonymous space for people to speak of their personal issues and struggles without judgement. As much as I'd love to see the stupidity go away, I would hate to see the loss of the benefits of anonymous communication.
 

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Just have to accept people have bad moods, take drugs, feel abused or have any number of things lead them to a bad mood. Then if they have no one to vent to, they'll often go say some stupid shit online. Handle it how you want, but don't get too worked up, letting their bad mood infect you is the worst thing you can do.
 

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So we go from a situation where people say stupid things because they're anonymous, to a situation where nobody says anything because they're terrified some nutcase will take it the wrong way and make their life a living hell? That doesn't strike me as an improvement.
 

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One of my friends is just starting off on the difficult path from Male to Female. Part of that journey, for her at least, is creating a whole new set of accounts with a female identity.

If you were to somehow force her to use her current legal ID, then that would rather defeat the purpose.
 

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thejboy88 said:
Title says it all. We've all, at one point or another, seen, heard or even experienced stories of how people on the internet have been abusing one another for various reasons, from trying to put down those who have a differing opinion, to those who have some kind of prejudice or bigotry against another group, or even because of sheer childishness, or maybe a slew of other reasons.

I very much doubt that I'm the first to make this suggestion, and if this is a thread that's been done before, then I apologize in advance for it. But wouldn't it perhaps be a good step against such abu8ses if anonymity, the way people can do what they like on the internet without their identities revealed, was to simply not happen?

I'm sure many of you have had similar suspicions at times, that people only say and do such things over the internet because they can hide their identities, thus shielding them from being openly revealed as the kinds of people who commit these kinds of abusive acts. Now, I'm all in favour of anonymity if the people using the internet are, say, embarrassed about announcing an opinion they think might make people look down on them, but to use it so they can get away with spouting hurtful words, racism and every other kind of bile, is just abusing that right and making the internet a less welcoming place for those who want to use it properly.

So, I would like a general discussion on the idea of reduced, if not outright removed, anonymity from the internet in order to prevent abuses like this. No more avatars, no more usernames, just straight up "this is who I am and this is what I'm saying".
Losing anonymity would cut down on the abuse. But it wouldn't stop it at all. The biggest reason for it is that anonymity is only one aspect of what makes people abusive online - the distance between "them" and "me" is the other. Both literal and metaphorical; even if I live in the same city as "them", if I don't know them then what reason do I have to not be abusive? I am Canadian, and many of the posters here are American - an entirely different country. I will likely never meet another Escapist poster off line, so what would keep me from being abusive to people I have never met and will never meet? What is the consequence for me? Not much more than there is currently, as Facebook has so beautifully allowed people to illustrate.

But it WOULD cut down on some of the abuse. And it would make it easier for authorities to track down the worst of the abusers for punishment, where legally appropriate. These are two big plusses in favour of a non-anonymous internet. But again, as Facebook shows each and every minute of each and every day, you can have your entire life plastered across the internet and if you're going to be a dick, you're going to still be a dick. How many staggeringly racist posts come up every day on sites that demand Facebook logins to post, and the people making them are not hiding behind some avatar/screen name like "Tono Makt" but using their full legal names for all the world to see? Anonymity is not being used there and they are still abusive, racist, sexist, worse-ist assholes, standing proudly by their name and their words.
 

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thejboy88 said:
I think Facebook has gone a long way in proving that cyber-bullying will still happen even if real names are being used. Taking away anonymity wouldn't keep people who really want to bully from doing it. It would just give the bullies another tool with which to hurt people, and would give stalkers and pedophiles some great tools for getting what they want.
 

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What would you rather: A creepy psychopath viciously attacks you verbally, or a creepy psychopath knows exactly where you live and sleep?