Should bro dudes get into sci fi and fantasy?

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LenticularHomicide

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Is that "Hunger Games ripped off Battle Royale" meme still being spread and believed? The entire state that the Hunger Games takes place in was named after "panem et circenses", the "bread and circuses" of the Roman Empire. I can trace a line of descent for the concept that doesn't involve a detour through a Japanese exploitation novel-made-manga-made-movie.
 

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Bros should read and nerds should get into sports.

It's important to be a well-rounded individual who's able to participate in a variety of conversations with a diverse group of people.
 

Cowabungaa

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Not quite sure what you're asking. You think someone like that could even get into that? If anyone's already heavily biased against anything of that it's a guy like that.
Zontar said:
Despite the popularity of the genres in gaming, movies and television, they're both currently in a dark age in literature, so any change would be good.
Vigormortis said:
You want to know what science fiction needs? More imagination. More variety. More hope. Sci-fi right now is completely inundated by a deluge of stories with teen melodrama and/or grim-dark post-apocalypses at their core, each painted with a thin veneer of 'sci-fi' trappings. Most are uninspired and barely qualify as 'science fiction'.
We have not been reading the same books. There's fantastic contemporary stuff out there. And just look every age there's also a lot of schlock. Also, Star Trek is coming back to the small screen. Woop woop.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
We have not been reading the same books. There's fantastic contemporary stuff out there. And just look every age there's also a lot of schlock. Also, Star Trek is coming back to the small screen. Woop woop.
There's always something of quality out there, just like there's a lot of shlock. But it's not normal for the shlock to for an entire decade dominate award events or to be the near exclusivity of what's being promoted (the only good works as of late that aren't shlock being promoted are the rare event of something like The Expanse, and even that seems only due to the fact Martin likes it and it got a show)
 

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Zontar said:
There's always something of quality out there, just like there's a lot of shlock. But it's not normal for the shlock to for an entire decade dominate award events or to be the near exclusivity of what's being promoted (the only good works as of late that aren't shlock being promoted are the rare event of something like The Expanse, and even that seems only due to the fact Martin likes it and it got a show)
Eh I'm not so sure. Every era has its "thing" so to speak, and most of what's produced that has that "thing" is pretty mediocre. The 50's and 60's had weird space adventurism of which most was extremely cheesy, the 70's and 80's had Star Wars rip-offs of which most were extremely cheesy, and the 90's and 00's had grimdark of which most was extremely cheesy.

The real good stuff has always been squirreled away a little. That counts for pretty much every expression of human culture, to be honest. It's just easy to think that isn't the case thanks to survival bias. I can recommend Neal Stephenson's Seveneves for starters. I'm currently neck-deep into it and so far it's brilliant.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
Also, Star Trek is coming back to the small screen. Woop woop.
Does an internet based, channel specific streaming service count as the 'small screen?' I feel like we should have a new 'screen' title for this sort of thing.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Cowabungaa said:
Also, Star Trek is coming back to the small screen. Woop woop.
Does an internet based, channel specific streaming service count as the 'small screen?' I feel like we should have a new 'screen' title for this sort of thing.
I don't know about you, but I don't have a huge cinema multiplex in my home so my screens are pretty small. If anything the term is becoming more apt these days, with the content being everywhere only the screen size on which we consume it differs (hyperbole, naturally). Tiny screens, small screens and big screens.
 

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Zontar said:
(the only good works as of late that aren't shlock being promoted are the rare event of something like The Expanse, and even that seems only due to the fact Martin likes it and it got a show)
Oh, so THAT explains why The Expanse got an adaptation.

Because there was me wondering how such a mediocre series would be adapted through other means. ;p
 

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Thaluikhain said:
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Notably, though, Harry Potter and the Hunger Games[footnote]That's two separate series there...actually, I'd like to read that book![/footnote] were both massively popular while being rather different from most of their contempories...until they got ripped off by them, of course.
While you have a point regarding Harry Potter, Hunger Games not so much. Even ignoring the original inspiration for it [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Royale] the idea of taking a bunch of kids, or just people in general, and forcing them into a death game for entertainment in a distopic world wasn't anything new even then.
Oh sure, not totally original by any stretch, but noticeable different from its contemporary rivals, which, IIRC, were mostly ripping off Harry Potter or Twilight or both.

The Hunger Games also went pretty deep into social issues, a lot more than most in the genre. So, naturally they made sure to erase all that boring stuff from the movies.
While the Hunger Games was a...sorta fun read, if you ignored the main draw of it all with the teen drama with a backdrop of whatever, delving into social issues? The most I remember is the bits with...the last winner(personally some of the best parts if you ask me) and the last little bit with the sister and the tactics used to win(I'd go more in-depth since it's pretty badly foreshadowed about a quarter of the way through the third book, but it's still spoilers). Neither of which make up more than maybe a dozen pages if I'm being generous.

I mean, fuck, Drizzt's Orc King Arc delved deeper into social issues.

Ezekiel said:
I never felt The Hunger Games ripped off Battle Royale when I read the first book. (The first book is all the Hunger Games I know. I didn't enjoy it enough to continue.) Death games have been around forever and making the players kids is easy drama. It also makes sense to do that kind of story in a dystopian sci-fi setting. The worlds and characters are different. I don't doubt the writer when she says she had never heard of Battle Royale.
Yeah, Battle Royale is pretty decent, but I will say that there's a pretty big chance she didn't know it existed, since the death game is largely just an excuse to have non-traditional tension in a pretty badly characterized love "triangle". Not to say BR didn't have those elements as well, but it did make an effort for the death game to be a bigger part than the politics and romance around the game.
 

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Redryhno said:
Thaluikhain said:
Zontar said:
Thaluikhain said:
Notably, though, Harry Potter and the Hunger Games[footnote]That's two separate series there...actually, I'd like to read that book![/footnote] were both massively popular while being rather different from most of their contempories...until they got ripped off by them, of course.
While you have a point regarding Harry Potter, Hunger Games not so much. Even ignoring the original inspiration for it [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Royale] the idea of taking a bunch of kids, or just people in general, and forcing them into a death game for entertainment in a distopic world wasn't anything new even then.
Oh sure, not totally original by any stretch, but noticeable different from its contemporary rivals, which, IIRC, were mostly ripping off Harry Potter or Twilight or both.

The Hunger Games also went pretty deep into social issues, a lot more than most in the genre. So, naturally they made sure to erase all that boring stuff from the movies.
While the Hunger Games was a...sorta fun read, if you ignored the main draw of it all with the teen drama with a backdrop of whatever, delving into social issues? The most I remember is the bits with...the last winner(personally some of the best parts if you ask me) and the last little bit with the sister and the tactics used to win(I'd go more in-depth since it's pretty badly foreshadowed about a quarter of the way through the third book, but it's still spoilers). Neither of which make up more than maybe a dozen pages if I'm being generous.

I mean, fuck, Drizzt's Orc King Arc delved deeper into social issues.
Er...I think you overstating the love triangle bit there, and understating all the stuff about haves and have nots and PTSD and so on.
 

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Er...I think you overstating the love triangle bit there, and understating all the stuff about haves and have nots and PTSD and so on.
You said delve...I assumed you were talking about more than middling exploration level issues...
 

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CaptJohnSheridan said:
Are people still discouraged from getting into sci fi and fantasy?
Nope. This is about a guy advertising games on Fox. They can't outright say "buy this game" given the bulk of the audience, but they can pretend to be shocked. No such thing as bad publicity.
 

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I find the distinction between "bro dudes" and regular nerds/geeks to be increasingly meaningless as both have a propensity for being toxic

hell I think geek/nerds are the most toxic of them all
 

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Queen Michael said:
but it's annoying to see the market flooded with science fiction for people who don't like science fiction, (like Jupiter Ascending,) or dystopias that make no sense except as allegories.
hooooooooooooooooooooold up just a second

there was nothing about Jupiter ascending that implied it was "for people who don't like science fiction" it was a classic regency style space opera, how many of those do you see on the big screen? (basically 0) the fact that it had a female lead/apparent female appeal doesn't mean it wasn't sci fi or for sci fi fans....it's the exact "ew pew" wish fulfillment

now I don't like how all encompassing the YA genre is, I really don't...for many reasons, but at the same time I'm not sure how I feel because I know this is the standard "if girls like it it's dumb" thing
 

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Vault101 said:
I find the distinction between "bro dudes" and regular nerds/geeks to be increasingly meaningless as both have a propensity for being toxic

hell I think geek/nerds are the most toxic of them all
Generalising there, but there's a certain element of truth in it, yeah.
 

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DudeistBelieve said:
...ok question?

What the fuck is a Bro Dude? Is that like a Dude Bro? Like a Fuckboi? I'm seriously asking. I'm getting too fucking old for the internet just making up all these god damn insults for people
if I am to take a wild guess I thiiiiink OP is referring to regular sterotypical "dude bros" or "jocks" as opposed to "geeks' as if it's the 80's or something... it feels borderline outdated. Online Geek culture has always had a weird thing separating oneself from the "normies"


Thaluikhain said:
Generalising there, but there's a certain element of truth in it, yeah.
I am yes, and I know nerds/geeks who are awsome cool people

but after however many years I've really lost all respect and interest in "the culture" as a whole, it's not for me and it's left me behind.... I've moved on. That's why I'm barley here anymore, I'm far more interested in in small niche's that appeal to me and creation of my own stuff (which has unfortunately taken a back seat to study now...the study of science! ha) it's a little more lonely but I find it's better for my blood pressure.
 

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Vault101 said:
I am yes, and I know nerds/geeks who are awsome cool people

but after however many years I've really lost all respect and interest in "the culture" as a whole, it's not for me and it's left me behind.... I've moved on. That's why I'm barley here anymore, I'm far more interested in in small niche's that appeal to me and creation of my own stuff (which has unfortunately taken a back seat to study now...the study of science! ha) it's a little more lonely but I find it's better for my blood pressure.
Oh, I agree, it's stopped being about non-conformity (if it ever was) and become just another subculture that appears to define itself by excluding people. Actually, that applies to any number of other things as well.