Should I buy a DS?

[tiredinnuendo]

I agree that this isn't the thread for piracy, but I'll throw in this bit:

Anyone saying it isn't "theft" is arguing the letter of the law and making themselves sound ridiculous. You knew damn well what he meant, now stop being retarded. It's clearly stealing. Downloading something that you are supposed to pay for but don't is wrong.

That said, lots of people do it. I have lots of MP3's, and my fair share of NES and SNES ROMS. I don't feel that I have to pretend that what I'm doing is okay, and if I did I'm not sure I could muster the personal delusion required.

However, the R4 is a very valid selling point for the DS, simply for everything else it can do. Movies, music, and homebrew apps, plus you can (in theory) get copies of 60 or so legitimate games (read: games you already own) all on one stick, instead of having to carry them all around.

And by the way, definitely get the DS. In a world where complex gaming is messing everything up, the DS manages several titles that follow the old rules of simple, addictive, and criminally fun.

- J

 

[irrelevantnugget]

3. *cough*R4*cough*, look into it to uh... "Backup" your games

DS games are the cheapest shelf price of any console/system ever, to resort to piracy on a $20 game is pathetic.

20 DOLLARS? What the hell, man.

DS games cost 40-45 euro's here in Belgium. Budget games are only 20 euro's indeed, but then it's the shitty kind of games starring Spongebob Squarepants, or stuff like Catz/Dogz. You wouldn't even want that shit for free :-/

Also, import. I couldn't import the Ouendan games, so I had to get them on my chip. I DO intend to buy them if I'm able to, though. Just for the sake of it standing nicely in my games closet so I can brag about it. Someday... -.-

 

[runtheplacered]

I agree that this isn't the thread for piracy, but I'll throw in this bit:

Anyone saying it isn't "theft" is arguing the letter of the law and making themselves sound ridiculous. You knew damn well what he meant, now stop being retarded. It's clearly stealing. Downloading something that you are supposed to pay for but don't is wrong.

And this is what happens when you jump into a conversation late. I'd refer you to my first post in this thread... otherwise I'd just be repeating myself.

 

[runtheplacered]

The english language is a constantly shifting thing, words can be redefined as needed

Stealing a physical item from a store is not the same as stealing digitally. I don't understand how you think you have an argument. Nobody is saying it's "OK" because it's digital.. but to say it's the exact same thing is crazy. Just crazy.

 

[tiredinnuendo]

I agree that this isn't the thread for piracy, but I'll throw in this bit:

Anyone saying it isn't "theft" is arguing the letter of the law and making themselves sound ridiculous. You knew damn well what he meant, now stop being retarded. It's clearly stealing. Downloading something that you are supposed to pay for but don't is wrong.

And this is what happens when you jump into a conversation late. I'd refer you to my first post in this thread... otherwise I'd just be repeating myself.

Oh no, make no mistake, I read your "points", such as they were. I just thought they were pointless argument for the sake of argument.

Here's the short form:

Khell is right.
Fraser is nitpicking.
Your post was worthless to the discussion until your last paragraph.

- J

 

[runtheplacered]

I agree that this isn't the thread for piracy, but I'll throw in this bit:

Anyone saying it isn't "theft" is arguing the letter of the law and making themselves sound ridiculous. You knew damn well what he meant, now stop being retarded. It's clearly stealing. Downloading something that you are supposed to pay for but don't is wrong.

And this is what happens when you jump into a conversation late. I'd refer you to my first post in this thread... otherwise I'd just be repeating myself.

Oh no, make no mistake, I read your "points", such as they were. I just thought they were pointless argument for the sake of argument.

Here's the short form:

Khell is right.
Fraser is nitpicking.
Your post was worthless to the discussion until your last paragraph.

- J

Wait, who are you to tell me my posts were worthless? I have an idea.. Go to hell.

 

[tiredinnuendo]

Wait, who are you to tell me my posts were worthless? I have an idea.. Go to hell.

Well, you certainly showed me...

Take care,

- J

 

[runtheplacered]

Wait, who are you to tell me my posts were worthless? I have an idea.. Go to hell.

Well, you certainly showed me...

- J

Why would I need to show you anything? My god, start making some sense, and stop being a prick just for the sake of being one. I fail to see what your deal is with me.

You're like an angsty pre-teen.. and I happened to look over at you while I was walking down the street.. so now you're getting in my face.. and puffing out your chest in some sort of an Alpha Male show down. Best analogy I can come up with at the moment.

 

[slyder35]

Ouch my thread got derailed big-time *sniff*

I could divert attention in a not-so-subtle way by asking for a comparison between Final Fantasy for DS and World of Warcraft for PC?? *blink*

 

[moderndayvampire]

Wow that's nifty! How much did that set you back?

In the Netherlands it was ?40, I heard you can get for about 50 dollars in the US. In order to play Quake II you'll also need an external RAM pack, the 3-in-1 RAM pack is one of the cheapest options, and also the one Q2 is most optimised for.

And props for the Tardis pic

if you look at www.dealextreme.com you can get different brands of pretty much the same thing for about $30 american

 

[theplanetmars]

Uh yeah, way to explain your point instead of just abusing your opponents. Look, that argument is correct: it is not theft if you're not taking anything away from anyone. That doesn't mean it's not bad, it's just not theft. By definition.

Theft [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theft]: the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another.

Again: I'm not saying it isn't bad, I'm just saying a casual glance at the dictionary will tell you it is not theft.

How is it not theft? Intangible media has long been held by courts (at least in the US) as a form of property. Furthermore, a Justice of the Supreme Court made it clear in 2005 that the copying of intangible media equals the unlawful taking of property, which as your own definition shows, is what defines theft. US law contends that downloading can be held as a criminal offense and finally, two Attorney Generals have made it clear that the acquisition of intangible media is stealing and that violators will be punished accordingly.

Legally speaking, it's theft.

 

[theplanetmars]

Not to be giving my opponents easy points, but where they're coming from is the out-dated dictionary definition of theft, which in some books claims its only theft if something is removed from one person's possession, where copying leaves the original behind. But as said, that is both a dated definition, and a dictionary definition. The LEGAL definition includes theft by means of duplication.

I've never understood why people who champion emerging technologies (in general, not here specifically) adhere to archaic definitions established before said technology.

 

[kioko9959]

3.I don't know about every publisher, but Square-Enix games start at $39.99. Actually the median price is $30 for new DS games in general. When you take into account purchasing.. say.. 5 games, that's $150. If you say that's nothing.. then you've obviously lived your entire life a very privileged human being. But that wouldn't mean you get to tell others how to spend their money.

Ok look thats a load first of all buy 1 - 2 games at a time , secondly, your an idiot me and my friend easily saved up $230 aus dollars in a paper run, that we do once a week.

 

[runtheplacered]

3.I don't know about every publisher, but Square-Enix games start at $39.99. Actually the median price is $30 for new DS games in general. When you take into account purchasing.. say.. 5 games, that's $150. If you say that's nothing.. then you've obviously lived your entire life a very privileged human being. But that wouldn't mean you get to tell others how to spend their money.

Ok look thats a load first of all buy 1 - 2 games at a time , secondly, your an idiot me and my friend easily saved up $230 aus dollars in a paper run, that we do once a week.

Geez, you're harsh. I'm an idiot. And you based all that from what? A few posts on a forum? Hell I don't even hardly remember writing them anymore.. I just happened by this post again.

Secondly.. when you have a dead-end job, an expecting baby, a fiancee, a move coming up, AND still going through school.. then feel free to tell me all about the loads of money you've been able to save up to frivolously purchase video games. But it sounds as if you still live with your parents. Maybe not.. but I've done paper route before.. I know preciously what it pays.. thanks though.

The mere fact that you would try and tell me that just because you have a certain job and can buy video games, means everyone can.. shows me how much experience you have living.

Look I didn't mean to derail this topic or piss people off. Some guy said people who pirate are pathetic.. and I disagreed. I don't think people are pathetic based on how they view material goods. This is coming from a Non-Pirate. I don't know how people could possibly have gotten pissed at me for thinking people AREN'T pathetic. But whatever, it's just a bunch of anonymous people anyway.. and I find anonymous people say some crazy things.

 

[runtheplacered]

In one sense you are right, and in another wrong.
Stealing a car and pirating software is NOT the same thing from the perspective of the owner of said materials. The person who has his car stolen no longer has a car, but the guy who's Advance Wars was copied still has his game. But from the other perspective, the person who just got a "free" car and the person who copied the game are the same. Both have something they did NOT pay for, taken from someone who DID pay for it. But in the first example, someone seems to be forgotten about, namely the programmer/gamecompany. You steal the car, you just deprived a man of his vehicle. You copy a game, you deprive the programmer of his income. So in many ways it IS the same.

I never said that piracy is the exact opposite as full-on theft. Not once, did I say that. You just put that into my mouth for me. All I said is that they are not the same. That's all. I understand that there are common attributes between piracy and theft. I'm well aware of that fact. We can debate whether the publishers/developer is out anything from a game a person pirated but would have never purchased.. but we're not going to do that here. We have a hard enough time communicating.

With all of that being said... piracy hurts the gaming community.. that's a fact of life. I would dispute anyone who said otherwise. But to call people "pathetic" based on their personal views of material goods.. is, in my opinion.. pathetic.

 

[Rekn]

DS rocks, buy one right away