Oh damn it all to hell. It was indeed not you who said that. But the one that quoted you. I am really sorry about that but I get confused when manually editing quotes within quotes.no oneder said:
Should I have given my dollar?
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Its all down to what you think about the person, eg I was on holidays and some guy walked up to me and asked for a cigarette. I said 'no problem' them he asked for 2 so i told him to go away and fuck himself and didnt give him any.
It's really down to what you think about the person, (its gone be pretty low if that person is coming up begging on the street but you know what i mean) I have seen some people that I do feel are in need of what I'm carrying in my wallet, but then again I've worked hard for what I'm I'm carrying and they can go away and shite if they think I'm handing over my money.
When they come up complaining about x, y, z etc.... They probably do it to a 100+ people a day so if you tell them go fuck themselves I wouldn't feel too bad.
It's really down to what you think about the person, (its gone be pretty low if that person is coming up begging on the street but you know what i mean) I have seen some people that I do feel are in need of what I'm carrying in my wallet, but then again I've worked hard for what I'm I'm carrying and they can go away and shite if they think I'm handing over my money.
When they come up complaining about x, y, z etc.... They probably do it to a 100+ people a day so if you tell them go fuck themselves I wouldn't feel too bad.
There are generally good ways to tell if they are telling the truth.
I once told a person asking me for money that I didn't carry cash, but I could get them a meal from a fast food joint (they were asking expressly for food money). They openly refused.
Then again, one night I was working at a McDonalds, and the evening crowd had dried up because of a snow storm that was starting up. A homeless man came in asking if we had any food leftover in the warming tray that he could have. I bought him a meal and gave him the few bucks in change.
I once told a person asking me for money that I didn't carry cash, but I could get them a meal from a fast food joint (they were asking expressly for food money). They openly refused.
Then again, one night I was working at a McDonalds, and the evening crowd had dried up because of a snow storm that was starting up. A homeless man came in asking if we had any food leftover in the warming tray that he could have. I bought him a meal and gave him the few bucks in change.
Well, Here's my Story.
I was walking along a sidewalk Christmas Eve, And A lady wanted me to buy a Candy Cane for a dollar so she could use the money to buy her 2 year old son a Present(She had him with her), I gave in a bought it, A walked past a few hours later, and it looked as so She was still selling. I was tempted to buy another, but as soon as I was about to Approach her, A man (I assume her husband) Rolled up in an extremely nice Cadillac and picked her up. So I never give money to anyone anymore.
I was walking along a sidewalk Christmas Eve, And A lady wanted me to buy a Candy Cane for a dollar so she could use the money to buy her 2 year old son a Present(She had him with her), I gave in a bought it, A walked past a few hours later, and it looked as so She was still selling. I was tempted to buy another, but as soon as I was about to Approach her, A man (I assume her husband) Rolled up in an extremely nice Cadillac and picked her up. So I never give money to anyone anymore.
The father at my church gave an anecdote I like concerning this. Forgive me if I shorten it.
"Two college students named Tom and Jim were at a bus stop. While there a man came up and asked for a dollar. Jim gave him one without question. Afterward Tom turned and stared at Jim. "why would you do that? He's just gonna go buy beer with that." Jim replied, "And we weren't?""
Take this story as you will.
"Two college students named Tom and Jim were at a bus stop. While there a man came up and asked for a dollar. Jim gave him one without question. Afterward Tom turned and stared at Jim. "why would you do that? He's just gonna go buy beer with that." Jim replied, "And we weren't?""
Take this story as you will.
As callous as it sounds, I don't give money to the homeless, of which there are a distressing number 'round these parts. On my way home from biking around the lake, I saw a group of them camping out under a bridge, and some more down in the rich are a by the lake itself. I know they've got a pretty bad life, yet offering them money instead of a real way out is no solution. I applaud charity in that regard, though I wish there were more of them.
Oh, a funny story I should share: one of my former professors used to (and I think still does) give the first homeless person he saw on a day $1, and then write the total off as a charitable donation. So far the IRS hasn't complained...
Though I will admit that homeless people are a) far nicer about me not acknowledging them, and b) less eager to try to get my attention than those fuckers from Greenpeace, or Save the Children, or whatever that stalk the students at my university. Annoying...
Oh, a funny story I should share: one of my former professors used to (and I think still does) give the first homeless person he saw on a day $1, and then write the total off as a charitable donation. So far the IRS hasn't complained...
Though I will admit that homeless people are a) far nicer about me not acknowledging them, and b) less eager to try to get my attention than those fuckers from Greenpeace, or Save the Children, or whatever that stalk the students at my university. Annoying...
Well, when me or my family see them in our area, we contemplate it to say the lease.
Example: me and my dad were driving. We saw a guy. My dad asked me, "Think we should give him the dollar?" The light turned green then, so we couldn't stop.
It's case-by-case. We'll consider it, but if they don't look too needy, we usually won't.
Example: me and my dad were driving. We saw a guy. My dad asked me, "Think we should give him the dollar?" The light turned green then, so we couldn't stop.
It's case-by-case. We'll consider it, but if they don't look too needy, we usually won't.
well i only give money when im with my bro in Pittsburgh. ( since he lives there) And thats only to b people that he knows that are homeless, like rainman. He is a beast.
Been told that before, plenty of times. But it weeds out those who are actually after food, and those who are trying to get some money for drugs and shit. I don't want to support that, but I do want to feed them. Do I risk my dollar? No, I cut out the middleman and give them what I want them to spend the dollar on.Colour-Scientist said:
You realise how patronising and demeaning it is to tell someone how to spend money you give them? Did any of you get pocket money from your parents as children? If yes, how happy were you when your parents sometimes tried to tell you how you could and couldn't spend that money? I can understand people who don't want to support people's drug habits, but you must realise how self-righteous you are being when you specify how a homeless person is to spend their money. I hope not too many of you think that you buy this right with your couple of bucks.
I've known people who have been homeless or have been in the position where they could have been homeless and they all managed to pull themselves out of it, im not ignorant.Sikachu said:
And please as an obvious expert could you explain to me why I should be giving them money.
Oh and I failed to mention this before but if a homeless guy is selling the big issue here in England i'll buy one off him, it's not a magazine I really want but it's the fact that he is clearly trying to pull himself out of his situation that makes me buy.
P.S. Don't insult us because our opinion differs to yours.
LOL!!!Sikachu said:
And yet you have spent your entire time telling people on this thread how to treat others and pushing your own righteous bleeding heart agenda on people by calling them names and questioning their morals adn telling them how they need to handle the situation!! Well FUCK THAT...you are a hypocryte, and it looks like you will say anything to anyone as long as you try and get people to see it your way. Even contradicting yourself.
Who the hell are you to tell us what we should do with our money or where we want to distribute it?
Who the hell are you to tell us the circumstances that we want present when being generous?
Mostly, who the hell are you to question anyone's morals in this thread? You don't know any of us, so keep you judgments to yourself.
Also giving money to your child and giving money to a perfect stranger who is begging are completely unrelated. Parents do it for love, giving money to homeless isn't, it's just simple generosity. Anoyone who isn't an idiot would know that the same means aren't necessarily for the same ends.
I didn't suggest that you should be giving homeless people money, and I didn't insult you because you have a different opinion to mine. I said you were ignorant because you do not know what you are talking about. Saying things like "it it isn't difficult to get a job" proves this, so my saying you are ignorant on this issue is no more insulting than telling a blonde person that they have blonde hair.Ickorus said:
I'm not going to educate you on the difficulties faced by the homeless in any attempts to reintegrate into normal society because there are resources out there for you to read if you are actually interested. As it appears, you're pretty satisfied with your tiny sample of experience as a sufficient basis to form an opinion and more interested in defending your position than developing a more sophisticated understanding of the infinitely diverse human experience. If that is the case, however, please refrain from expressing your opinion, or at least preface it with 'I don't know what I'm talking about but here's what I think...'
P.S.
Good work on supporting Big Issue vendors.
Yeah, some guy asked me for a dollar or so for food, but he didn't buy anything.
I saw him and I'm really pissed at him for doing that and I'm just gonna keep saying I don't have any change from now on.
I saw him and I'm really pissed at him for doing that and I'm just gonna keep saying I don't have any change from now on.
One serious problem for me is that it feels wrong no matter what I do. If I keep the money, I feel selfish and if I give it away I feel naive and gullible.rokkolpo said:
If there is a coffee shop nearby, buy them a drink or food with that dollar instead, if you think they are going to blow it on wine or whatever. That way, you know that it is going to the right cause.
And if they're not poor, well that is up to you to decide. I usually don't care that much either way since I (sometimes unfortunately) don't place that much value in money, but others might see it differently. It's a dollar, and I only ever get asked maybe once every couple of weeks. Big deal.
Also, how did the other people know you were being played? You're essentially taking the word of one person over another and it isn't clear who is right.
And if they're not poor, well that is up to you to decide. I usually don't care that much either way since I (sometimes unfortunately) don't place that much value in money, but others might see it differently. It's a dollar, and I only ever get asked maybe once every couple of weeks. Big deal.
Also, how did the other people know you were being played? You're essentially taking the word of one person over another and it isn't clear who is right.
Well put. I feel more or less the same way.Sikachu said:
You are exhibiting a worrying lack of comprehension and I wonder if a second reading of the thread might help you understand. Assuming you've done that, I'm going to deal with your rambling comments in bullets, to aid clarity.quiet_samurai said:
1. "Mostly, who the hell are you to question anyone's morals in this thread? You don't know any of us, so keep you judgments to yourself."
I take it you missed my stating things like "Which only means that I think you've got a terrible approach in this facet of your life, not that you are a terrible person generally". If you don't want to get judged for your opinions, don't share them. I've not once pronounced upon someone's worth as a person on the basis of what I've read in this thread, rather staying on the topic at hand. If you can't handle discussion, leave the forum.
2. "Who the hell are you to tell us what we should do with our money or where we want to distribute it?"
Could you kindly show me comments where I tell anyone how to spend their money? Or even tell anyone that they should be giving money to the homeless? Perhaps you missed the comment where I said "There are several excellent reasons not to give money to homeless people on the street (though I personally find them unconvincing)"?
3. "you are a hypocryte,[sic] and it looks like you will say anything to anyone as long as you try and get people to see it your way. Even contradicting yourself."
Could you kindly show me the comments that you think are inconsistent with one another? I would be glad to explain it to you.
4. "Also giving money to your child and giving money to a perfect stranger who is begging are completely...[redacted for brevity] ...Anoyone[sic] who isn't an idiot would know that the same means aren't necessarily for the same ends."
I thought that it was reasonably clear to any readers that I was drawing an analogy between the feelings of the child and the feelings of the homeless person when being given money with strings attached, rather than comparing the two acts of giving. Forgive me if I wasn't clear enough for you, but with a little analytical thought you would have arrived at the same reading of the text.
Feel free to respond with any points that are still causing you difficulty, and I wait with bated breath for your responses to points 2 and 3.
Reread my first response to your quote here. Thanks for the insult by the way and your cleverness at the end too. Read it.... now don't lecteur me on not comprehending. Your first quote here and my response obviously shows you have the lack of comprehension.quiet_samurai said:
Gee that's not presumptious.Sikachu said:
Sorry we didn't know you were a leading authority on homeless, and sorry about some of us sharing our opinions on a thread based on opinions and personal input and stories. We'll try to take you into account next time anyone else makes a thread on personal feelings.Sikachu said:
You come across as a callous know it all ass in this thread. Questioning peoples reaction and then offering your input as the best solution. So don't give me that bullshit about not having an agenda or telling people what they need to do and how they should feel about it. There are several times where you quesion peoples motives and thoughts with an elite sense of superiority, you even insulted me and called me.... what was it... oh "a selfish uncaring arsehole" when clearly I wasn't.Sikachu said:
I honestly don't really give a fuck what your agenda is, but when you inslut me first off, question others motives, make generalizations, and then act ike your the voice of reason a few posts later... well I frankly have a hard time even trying to reason with you or take you seriously. and I feel no need to justify anything to people I don't take seriously.
Again... have a nice day.