Should I watch Sucker Punch?
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Plenty of people liked it. None of them were critics.Vault101 said:
A critic is just some person who is paid to write opinions for a publication. These people are great at assessing things which fit into existing cultural currents, because that's what they do. However, when something very fresh and new appears, they often fumble the ball because critics assess new things by looking backward to see how they compare to previous things. Hence Blade Runner was critically demolished for the lack of chemistry between the two leads, because that's a key element of how a sci-fi detective/love story would normally be assessed. They all wrote the film off as "great special effects and visual design, crap story". Not one critic of the time really got the whole relevance of the 'cyberpunk' thing. Of course, they all see it nowadays in retrospect, because today there are more cultural reference points. Likewise, not one critic liked Black Sabbath either because that sort of music simply didn't exist when they came out so the critics had nothing to compare it to. These days they all love Sabbath because it's so obvious that that's where every other metal band in the past 40 years has been getting riffs from.
I actually just finished watching that for the first time. It was because the directors cut got released, and ryhperior to the theatrical cut and it was one of the first movies to do letterboxing, so it looked amazing on peoples tv's (at the time they would just show the middle, or do panning and scanning, so it looked awful)Vault101 said:
As for sucker punch. I wasn't offended, I got it, but the characters were bland (though I liked blue, and he was by far the best part of the switching perceptions gimmick), and the fights were boring, and unrealistic (and not in a that's not how someone would really fight a terracotta samurai way, in a it looked like bad cgi way). But it wasn't awful I give it a 4/10 (remember 5 is average, not 7!)
Hollock away!
well by "no one" I guess I was refering to how it didnt really do well as far as "mainstream" went and its not hard to see whyBonsaiK said:
(a movie directed by the guy that did Alien, staring han solo about a guy whos job it is to hunt down renegade robots...awsome!!!) and instead getting.....weirdness turned up to 11
but yeah I guess someone must have liked it back then
I am immediately inclined to say yes, you should go see it.
Is it sexist? Well, yeah, mildly, we are primarily talking about the objectification of women in a 1920's whorehouse, so, yeah, it's gonna portray as a bit sexist. It handles this by allowing said females to overcome their own environment, in some fantastical ways. It's less about levels of reality, and more about the awesomeness of adventurous delusion paired with anachronistic morals and a sense of wonderous imagination. It really ends up being a ton of fun, and is worth the see if you like Snyder's other films or imaginative stories.
Is it sexist? Well, yeah, mildly, we are primarily talking about the objectification of women in a 1920's whorehouse, so, yeah, it's gonna portray as a bit sexist. It handles this by allowing said females to overcome their own environment, in some fantastical ways. It's less about levels of reality, and more about the awesomeness of adventurous delusion paired with anachronistic morals and a sense of wonderous imagination. It really ends up being a ton of fun, and is worth the see if you like Snyder's other films or imaginative stories.
It depends. If you want the best plot and the best acting in the world, don't bother, but if you want the best action and the best CGI, then definitely see it.
Actually, just go see it anyway, because there's nothing elses out there like it and it's just damn good. damn damn good good damn good damn damn. . . good.
Actually, just go see it anyway, because there's nothing elses out there like it and it's just damn good. damn damn good good damn good damn damn. . . good.
dude, dont watch that movie. the concept was alright, but the execution and acting was shitcakes.
You'll only know if you should've watched it AFTER you've watched it.
For a lot of movies that doesn't hold up (blockbusters like transformers for example), but if it is a bit original movie like Suckerpunch, you are the only one who can judge if you should.
For a lot of movies that doesn't hold up (blockbusters like transformers for example), but if it is a bit original movie like Suckerpunch, you are the only one who can judge if you should.
Short version: It's worth seeing for amazing visuals and cinematography and for being a movie that doesn't think its audience is idiots who have to be spoon-fed exactly what they expect to see.
I found the overall plot arc somewhat disappointing, particularly for the ending, which- without giving anything away- let's just say I disagreed with. If you're curious you can read what I said in the comments under MB's review, but I'd suggest not doing so until after you've seen it (the spoilers part, anyway.)
But overall, I'm still in the "worth seeing" camp.
I found the overall plot arc somewhat disappointing, particularly for the ending, which- without giving anything away- let's just say I disagreed with. If you're curious you can read what I said in the comments under MB's review, but I'd suggest not doing so until after you've seen it (the spoilers part, anyway.)
But overall, I'm still in the "worth seeing" camp.
I definitely agree with you there, I don't see how them imagining themselves a sexy strong women makes it sexist, hell, every male character bar one is a pig and misogynist in the film but no one calls foul on that, it's because that's how they're putting them in their mind, they're the ultimate enemy of their freedom both as women and in the literal sense, the people and critics that are saying it's sexist are the shallow ones, all they are seeing is skimpy costumes on sexually 'exploited' women, I believe the term they are looking for is empowered.Marter said:
If you enjoy anime, you'll like and probably 'get' Suckerpunch more than the average person.
Myself, I hate anime.
My husband had to wake me up when we hit the half-hour mark, the movie is spastic and dreadful for the first hour. Quite honestly, if we hadn't been asked out by our friends, I would have left the theater before I fell asleep.
The last part of it picks up abit, and there are some interesting scenes, but I found the only way I could get invested into the movie was to imagine I was playing it as a video game, and merely spending my time watching the cutscenes. Once I started thinking 'hey, this is a cool video game.' I got a little more into it.
You might as well go see it while its still in the theater; it probably won't look as cool on your TV or computer.
Myself, I hate anime.
My husband had to wake me up when we hit the half-hour mark, the movie is spastic and dreadful for the first hour. Quite honestly, if we hadn't been asked out by our friends, I would have left the theater before I fell asleep.
The last part of it picks up abit, and there are some interesting scenes, but I found the only way I could get invested into the movie was to imagine I was playing it as a video game, and merely spending my time watching the cutscenes. Once I started thinking 'hey, this is a cool video game.' I got a little more into it.
You might as well go see it while its still in the theater; it probably won't look as cool on your TV or computer.
You should watch it, decide for your self. This movie is controversial and open to many opinions. You'll regret not having a first hand opinion.Vault101 said:
Sucker Punch does, in my opinion, not objectify women; it's in a sense a man's objection to the objectification of women by sort of actively acting out against male chauvinism which is what I think is triggering the "sexism" flag for some. The movie is not sexy at all and is on the contrary made in such a way that men (perhaps women as well) feel explicitly uncomfortable by the almost doll-like quality of the girls, especially Baby Doll obviously.
I won't say any more.
Cheers and good luck deciding,
Matsjo
Ooh, will I get on the hyperlinking-my-review-as-a-shameless-plug bandwagon?
Why yes. Yes I will. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.275240-The-Villains-lair-Sucker-Punch]
N.B. The comments after start getting into major spoilers, but the review is pretty much spoiler free.
Why yes. Yes I will. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.275240-The-Villains-lair-Sucker-Punch]
N.B. The comments after start getting into major spoilers, but the review is pretty much spoiler free.
Moviebob's review [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/2962-Sucker-Punch]
I personally agree with everything he says, but you might want to go back and compare his reviews with some of the films that you've watched and see if you agree with him before taking what he says at face value.
I personally agree with everything he says, but you might want to go back and compare his reviews with some of the films that you've watched and see if you agree with him before taking what he says at face value.
Well let me ask you this then: do you have an opinion?
I can see that you do since you formulated assumptions based on trailers and critic reviews, but did you really have to make a thread about it? Granted, I'm not trying to rile you or anyone, I'm just wondering. Perhaps you could have expanded on your topic by saying: "Sucker Punch: Yay, or Neh?"
You have an opinion, and I can guarantee that you can make a choice from that opinion. Just ask yourself this question: will the movie be worth paying for the gas to drive to the theater and the ticket price which is now over $10. If you said yes, then by all means, go and see it. If you said no, then wait for it to come out on Netflix, OnDemand, etc. Or you can always just read the story and plot summaries and make up your own movie with it.
I know I sound like a cynic at the moment, but I really do wonder if people think about what they're making a post of before they click the "Create Thread" button.
Thank you for your time.
I can see that you do since you formulated assumptions based on trailers and critic reviews, but did you really have to make a thread about it? Granted, I'm not trying to rile you or anyone, I'm just wondering. Perhaps you could have expanded on your topic by saying: "Sucker Punch: Yay, or Neh?"
You have an opinion, and I can guarantee that you can make a choice from that opinion. Just ask yourself this question: will the movie be worth paying for the gas to drive to the theater and the ticket price which is now over $10. If you said yes, then by all means, go and see it. If you said no, then wait for it to come out on Netflix, OnDemand, etc. Or you can always just read the story and plot summaries and make up your own movie with it.
I know I sound like a cynic at the moment, but I really do wonder if people think about what they're making a post of before they click the "Create Thread" button.
Thank you for your time.
I say yes. Even if you don't care for the story, the action more than makes up for the price of admission.
As far as it objectifying women.
It?s strange, it?s kind of like it plays with it, I don?t know if it does it successfully. At one point it presents them as rather empower women. But then they are weak, and it?s when they are weak that they are being objectified and it?s not shown to be a good thing.
Anyway it seems to want to make that point but then it comes off like it just wants to be an entertaining action movie. It?s a bit of a strange mix at times. I actually quite like it and you should be weary of critics, even when there seems to be a consensus. I don?t know if you will like it but it?s at least worth that one viewing.
It?s strange, it?s kind of like it plays with it, I don?t know if it does it successfully. At one point it presents them as rather empower women. But then they are weak, and it?s when they are weak that they are being objectified and it?s not shown to be a good thing.
Anyway it seems to want to make that point but then it comes off like it just wants to be an entertaining action movie. It?s a bit of a strange mix at times. I actually quite like it and you should be weary of critics, even when there seems to be a consensus. I don?t know if you will like it but it?s at least worth that one viewing.
Out of the few critics reviews I've seen I've reached the conclusion that they just didnt understand the movie, that they were either to hung-up on the working girl angle or they had something against the film before they sat down (or that they didnt really watch the movie...).
As for objectifying women, I'd say its the opposite, these women have been crushed into a horrible situation by life and are working to free themselves, I wouldn't quite call it an empowerment movie, but its pretty damn close.
The best part of the movie IMO is exactly what bob said, on one hand its got a good story line that'll make you work a bit to join the dots, on the other hand its pretty and theres not much of a break between the action sequences.
As for objectifying women, I'd say its the opposite, these women have been crushed into a horrible situation by life and are working to free themselves, I wouldn't quite call it an empowerment movie, but its pretty damn close.
The best part of the movie IMO is exactly what bob said, on one hand its got a good story line that'll make you work a bit to join the dots, on the other hand its pretty and theres not much of a break between the action sequences.