Should Illegal Immigrants have the same rights as U.S. citizens?
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Basic human rights? Yes.
The rights reserved to US citizens on the other hand? No, because they're not US citizens.
The rights reserved to US citizens on the other hand? No, because they're not US citizens.
Theres a difference.Snake Plissken said:
there aren't 100 thousand of them coming down.
They don't set up Canadian exclusive communities and view everyone else as "outsiders" (even though THEY came HERE)
THATs why we dont have a problem with Russian or Canadian illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with race.
One right, the right to be sent to there home nation the tab shale be charged to the home nation for the expensive of returning them.
I have not a issue with immigrants Mexican, Chinese's, French, Japanese, or any nation.
JUST DO THE FUCKING PAPERWORK PAY THE FUCKING TAXES LIKE THE REST OF US. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH.
Do this and we can all be friends.
Yes paper work is a pain yes not a signal USA citizen likes paying taxes but its part of our culture in a way and makes the system work AND YOUR BRAKING THE FUCKING SYSTEM BY NOT DOING THIS!
I have not a issue with immigrants Mexican, Chinese's, French, Japanese, or any nation.
JUST DO THE FUCKING PAPERWORK PAY THE FUCKING TAXES LIKE THE REST OF US. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH.
Do this and we can all be friends.
Yes paper work is a pain yes not a signal USA citizen likes paying taxes but its part of our culture in a way and makes the system work AND YOUR BRAKING THE FUCKING SYSTEM BY NOT DOING THIS!
Rights = Yes (Human rights)
Benefits/Privledges = NO!
If they aren't willing to make the effort to go through the motions (which are there for a reason), then they have no business being here.
I also hate how people seem to think folks from Mexico are so special. Why should they be treated any differently than those who want to immigrate from, let's say, Bosnia or even the U.A.E., the U.K., or anywhere else on earth?
My point is that it doesn't matter where someone is immigrating from, the same rules should apply to everyone - all across the board, and they should do so without regard to race, religion, or country of origin (even if it's 12" from the border). Everyone who chooses to immigrate should do it the right way or face deportation.
Benefits/Privledges = NO!
If they aren't willing to make the effort to go through the motions (which are there for a reason), then they have no business being here.
I also hate how people seem to think folks from Mexico are so special. Why should they be treated any differently than those who want to immigrate from, let's say, Bosnia or even the U.A.E., the U.K., or anywhere else on earth?
My point is that it doesn't matter where someone is immigrating from, the same rules should apply to everyone - all across the board, and they should do so without regard to race, religion, or country of origin (even if it's 12" from the border). Everyone who chooses to immigrate should do it the right way or face deportation.
What are the reasons for those motions, and why don't those reasons apply to people born in the country or to people whose parents are citizens?tsb247 said:
Here's what the issue truly boils down to: If you disagree with a law, does that give you the liberty, freedom, or right to break that law? I and most people would say "No."
If someone disagrees with jaywalking laws, should they be able to walk wherever they want on the street without fines? No.
If someone disagrees with copyright laws, should they be able to steal and copy whatever they want without lawsuits and fines? No.
Therefore, if someone is not a US citizen and is not trying to become one, should the stay in the US? No.
Now, here comes the thorny issue. All laws in this country are built upon the will of the people. If the people want the laws to change, all they need to do is gather enough support and fight for the change to happen through their legislators and other representatives.
The problem comes in where people who don't agree with the policies of immigration don't have representatives or legislators to go to to institute such law changes. However, in this day and age, with the Internet and other technologies, they can build support from like-minded people within the US, and those within the US can go to their representatives to get the laws and policies changed. Heck, there are several parts of US immigration policy that I disagree with.
So, in summary, you need to follow the laws as they are now, but fight to make them different if you don't agree with them.
If someone disagrees with jaywalking laws, should they be able to walk wherever they want on the street without fines? No.
If someone disagrees with copyright laws, should they be able to steal and copy whatever they want without lawsuits and fines? No.
Therefore, if someone is not a US citizen and is not trying to become one, should the stay in the US? No.
Now, here comes the thorny issue. All laws in this country are built upon the will of the people. If the people want the laws to change, all they need to do is gather enough support and fight for the change to happen through their legislators and other representatives.
The problem comes in where people who don't agree with the policies of immigration don't have representatives or legislators to go to to institute such law changes. However, in this day and age, with the Internet and other technologies, they can build support from like-minded people within the US, and those within the US can go to their representatives to get the laws and policies changed. Heck, there are several parts of US immigration policy that I disagree with.
So, in summary, you need to follow the laws as they are now, but fight to make them different if you don't agree with them.
Deport them until they can register themselves, which in itself SHOULD NOT FOR ANY REASON be a difficult process. I don't care if the bureaucrats will lose money over it.
Not much beyond human rights, probably the only rights they deserve are first amendment rights.
Do you have the right to a job? No.vento 231 said:
Do you have the right to go to college? No.
Those are not rights, they are privileges.
I can't claim to know them all. One could argue national sovereignty, tax purposes, Securing the job market for Americans, crime reduction, etc. A sovereign nation has to be able to control who gets in. Every country on earth is the same way.BrassButtons said:
Ah, yes, the immigration process. You know what the funny thing is? Back in the 1880's through the 1910's, immigrants from down in México had the easiest time getting in. All they had to do was pay the equivalent of six dollars and come on through. Now, there's caps on immigrants that we can take in, these long, drawn out processes, etc. Look, I say we DESPERATELY need to speed things up, lower immigration caps, etc.
im willing to bet you couldnt pass the test to become a citizen of the US. Most people ive met in my life couldnt. I know I couldnt and I would like to think im not an idiot.scorptatious said:
Alright, let's assume that these are the reasons for current immigration laws. That still leaves my second question: why do we only require people born outside the US, or born to non-citizen parents, to go through the motions? Why don't those reasons you listed cause our government to test everyone who wants to be a citizen instead of only the people who were not privileged at birth?tsb247 said:
I wouldn't know what the test would be like, I was born in the U.S. Also, I didn't say you or anyone else was an idiot, or that the test would be easy.kevo.mf.last said:
The process needs to be improved badly. Currently it's nearly impossible to get a green card and work legally in the US. The paper work and testing take years even when on a fast-track. And after that to become a citizen takes much longer. (First hand experience)
That said people who enter illegally are breaking the law and should face consequences as such (fines & deportation).
That said people who enter illegally are breaking the law and should face consequences as such (fines & deportation).
Well like Carlos Mencia said, if they get caught its not like they cant try again. I think they should have to come in legally. What I think would be hilarious is when we deport an illegal immigrant we take them to a different country than the one they came from lol. Hey your from Canada? SEND HIM TO JAPAN!!!