Should my daughter visit her mother who is in jail?

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1924 said:
What do you think if the idea my wife doesn't deserve visits because she committed a crime and if my daughter visits she will see jail as not a big deal since her mom is there and she is ok
Well you're staying with your wife right? In that case I would say the first idea sounds far too vindictive for a good relationship where you support one another. Not saying you are, but the suggestion she doesn't deserve it does sound vindictive.

As for the second I don't think it's usually the fear of being in prison for 6 months that stops people from committing crimes. Plus I imagine she'll miss her mom still.

On the original subject, I say let your daughter decide but I'd say suggest to her that she should. Don't make her, but I think it'd be best for both her and her mother to be able to see each other.
 

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Like others have said, let your daughter decide, though I would also add the "Ask your wife if she wants to be seen in prison." It might not be something that she wants her daughter to see, so I think it would be polite to run it by her casually. If I had to guess, she'll probably want to see her daughter very much, but it could be something she's ashamed of, and wouldn't want her daughter to experience.

But yeah, if all parties are on board for it, let her do it.

As far as preparation for the visit, I can't speak for prison, but I can speak for mental institutions for the criminally insane, which are pretty damn close to prison. I had to visit my brother in those type facilities for the past few decades.

Tips to make the trip much easier.

1. Don't bother bringing your purse, phone, keys, etc. Just don't even bring them in the facility. Leave them in the car, because they're going to likely take them off you anyway while you are visiting. You can maybe bring in some change, to buy snacks from vending machines. This may or may not be available, depending on the security level of this facility, and how "family friendly" their visiting facility is.

2. The place will feel very confined (duh), but it will also likely smell strange. I don't know about prisons, but mental facilities have an...odor to them, from the large number of inmates, who likely don't have good hygene, it will create a pervasive scent to the place. I'm not saying it's going to smell like piles of rancid feces or something, but it might have a smell that just sort of hits your nose wrong, and slightly put you off things.

3. Her mother is likely going to be very nervous about being seen in that situation, at least at first. So give her some slack when it comes to awkward behavior until she settles down about seeing family while in prison. Alternatively, you or your daughter might feel like this too. The corrective system is an intimidating environment until you get used to it. Just try to relax, and understand that there will be people with weapons around, watching you and the inmates at all times, or at least while you transit through the place.

4. Call ahead to the facility and ask if there are any things that you are permitted to bring during your visit. Perhaps a book, or maybe some homemade cooking for her to eat while you visit. Little things like that can help to make the visit feel more natural, as you discuss the gift, and also provide a break from routine for the mother, cause trust me, that food isn't all that good. If you can bring food, you might try having you and your daughter cook it together, so your daughter can maybe tell her mom about the ordeal of trying to cook the stuff for the first time. I'm assuming your daughter isn't a skilled cook of course, which if she's not, it might make for a humorous story to share with mom while she eats it.

5. Basically, just try to relax and not let the place put you or your daughter off too much. It's never going to be a 100% fun place to visit with a loved one, and there will always be some awkwardness to it. But if the 2 of you are genuine in your attempt to try and make mom feel better, the visit shouldn't be too bad. Considering your daughter was able to make a joke about her mom now having to follow rules, instead of handing them out, it sounds like she's pretty well balanced to the situation. I would maybe remind her that there are millions of people in this country who are criminals, and that doesn't make them "bad" people. It just makes them people who broke a law. And that has consequences. I'm sure she's disobeyed some rules in her life by 14, so I'm confident she can understand this, and that her mom has to pay for her crime by being stuck in that place for a long period of time. Basically an extended "grounding" if you will.

Hope that helps.
 

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Apparently I'm going to be the one voice of dissent here (whether genuine or as devil's advocate is up to you), but I'm not sure she should. Seeing a parent in a prison jumpsuit is not something that a kid is ever likely to forget. The child is fourteen, yes, but still a child. Also, while the wife says it's okay I think the op should check that she is really sure about that: it could bring them all together even closer than before or drive a wedge in between them all. The daughter could end up really accepting and supportive, or it may undermine any authority the mother had. It is only six months, which seems like a long time but is relatively light in the grand scheme of things.

Also, the girl should be kind of scared of the place: it's prison, not a day spa.
 

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flying_whimsy said:
Apparently I'm going to be the one voice of dissent here (whether genuine or as devil's advocate is up to you), but I'm not sure she should. Seeing a parent in a prison jumpsuit is not something that a kid is ever likely to forget. The child is fourteen, yes, but still a child. Also, while the wife says it's okay I think the op should check that she is really sure about that: it could bring them all together even closer than before or drive a wedge in between them all. The daughter could end up really accepting and supportive, or it may undermine any authority the mother had. It is only six months, which seems like a long time but is relatively light in the grand scheme of things.

Also, the girl should be kind of scared of the place: it's prison, not a day spa.
flying_whimsy said:
Apparently I'm going to be the one voice of dissent here (whether genuine or as devil's advocate is up to you), but I'm not sure she should. Seeing a parent in a prison jumpsuit is not something that a kid is ever likely to forget. The child is fourteen, yes, but still a child. Also, while the wife says it's okay I think the op should check that she is really sure about that: it could bring them all together even closer than before or drive a wedge in between them all. The daughter could end up really accepting and supportive, or it may undermine any authority the mother had. It is only six months, which seems like a long time but is relatively light in the grand scheme of things.

Also, the girl should be kind of scared of the place: it's prison, not a day spa.
Happyninja42 said:
Like others have said, let your daughter decide, though I would also add the "Ask your wife if she wants to be seen in prison." It might not be something that she wants her daughter to see, so I think it would be polite to run it by her casually. If I had to guess, she'll probably want to see her daughter very much, but it could be something she's ashamed of, and wouldn't want her daughter to experience.

But yeah, if all parties are on board for it, let her do it.

As far as preparation for the visit, I can't speak for prison, but I can speak for mental institutions for the criminally insane, which are pretty damn close to prison. I had to visit my brother in those type facilities for the past few decades.

Tips to make the trip much easier.

1. Don't bother bringing your purse, phone, keys, etc. Just don't even bring them in the facility. Leave them in the car, because they're going to likely take them off you anyway while you are visiting. You can maybe bring in some change, to buy snacks from vending machines. This may or may not be available, depending on the security level of this facility, and how "family friendly" their visiting facility is.

2. The place will feel very confined (duh), but it will also likely smell strange. I don't know about prisons, but mental facilities have an...odor to them, from the large number of inmates, who likely don't have good hygene, it will create a pervasive scent to the place. I'm not saying it's going to smell like piles of rancid feces or something, but it might have a smell that just sort of hits your nose wrong, and slightly put you off things.

3. Her mother is likely going to be very nervous about being seen in that situation, at least at first. So give her some slack when it comes to awkward behavior until she settles down about seeing family while in prison. Alternatively, you or your daughter might feel like this too. The corrective system is an intimidating environment until you get used to it. Just try to relax, and understand that there will be people with weapons around, watching you and the inmates at all times, or at least while you transit through the place.

4. Call ahead to the facility and ask if there are any things that you are permitted to bring during your visit. Perhaps a book, or maybe some homemade cooking for her to eat while you visit. Little things like that can help to make the visit feel more natural, as you discuss the gift, and also provide a break from routine for the mother, cause trust me, that food isn't all that good. If you can bring food, you might try having you and your daughter cook it together, so your daughter can maybe tell her mom about the ordeal of trying to cook the stuff for the first time. I'm assuming your daughter isn't a skilled cook of course, which if she's not, it might make for a humorous story to share with mom while she eats it.

5. Basically, just try to relax and not let the place put you or your daughter off too much. It's never going to be a 100% fun place to visit with a loved one, and there will always be some awkwardness to it. But if the 2 of you are genuine in your attempt to try and make mom feel better, the visit shouldn't be too bad. Considering your daughter was able to make a joke about her mom now having to follow rules, instead of handing them out, it sounds like she's pretty well balanced to the situation. I would maybe remind her that there are millions of people in this country who are criminals, and that doesn't make them "bad" people. It just makes them people who broke a law. And that has consequences. I'm sure she's disobeyed some rules in her life by 14, so I'm confident she can understand this, and that her mom has to pay for her crime by being stuck in that place for a long period of time. Basically an extended "grounding" if you will.

Hope that helps.

What kind of awkward behavior do you mean?
 

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It's her decision, but you can still advise her. And I would advise you to advise her to see her mother, for both their sakes. It might be tough on the two of them to meet in such conditions, but it is probably worth it in the long run.
 

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1924 said:
What kind of awkward behavior do you mean?
Nothing specific, just the fact that she will probably be nervous initially, afraid of what her daughter might think of her. That's mostly what I mean by awkward. She might be more happy to see her than anything, and their might not be any awkwardness. But if she does seem awkward, that's probably why.
 

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Happyninja42 said:
1924 said:
What kind of awkward behavior do you mean?
Nothing specific, just the fact that she will probably be nervous initially, afraid of what her daughter might think of her. That's mostly what I mean by awkward. She might be more happy to see her than anything, and their might not be any awkwardness. But if she does seem awkward, that's probably why.

Do you mean what she thinks of her daughter seeing her in jail and in jail clothes?
 

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Charli said:
Boy it's like I saw this thread on MMOchampion too.

*eyebrow raise*
Someone goes from forum to forum, asking for advice for a fake problem, or just posts asking for advice on many forums?
Considering the amount of posts of the OP. I'm skeptical. And who does that. No one I know decides to go onto gaming forums for life advice.
 

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Misericorde said:
Charli said:
Misericorde said:
Charli said:
Boy it's like I saw this thread on MMOchampion too.

*eyebrow raise*
Someone goes from forum to forum, asking for advice for a fake problem, or just posts asking for advice on many forums?
Considering the amount of posts of the OP. I'm skeptical. And who does that. No one I know decides to go onto gaming forums for life advice.
Not as a new poster, not that I've ever heard of. How similar is the OP on that other forum to this one?
I don't see how that's going to tell you much, the OP is word for word, and the mannerism seems the same, that could either be a copypaster or a serial forum goer. But I'm learning towards a copypaste.
 

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I'm going to mirror several others and say, your daughter is probably old enough to decide for herself as long as she knows the full extent of the situation
 

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This is a copy/pasted story with the earliest Google link dating it to September 2013.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Parenting-Teens-12-17/Should-I-allow-my-daughter-to-visit-her-mother-in-jail/show/2014681
 

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Wasted said:
This is a copy/pasted story with the earliest Google link dating it to September 2013.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Parenting-Teens-12-17/Should-I-allow-my-daughter-to-visit-her-mother-in-jail/show/2014681
Wow, It's been a long 6 months. Seriously though, I was wondering why someone would make a new account on the Escapist of all places to ask this, like gamers are somehow experts about raising children... now I'm almost more confused.

Also, this should probably have been posted in Advice Forum.
 

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Drathnoxis said:
Wasted said:
This is a copy/pasted story with the earliest Google link dating it to September 2013.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Parenting-Teens-12-17/Should-I-allow-my-daughter-to-visit-her-mother-in-jail/show/2014681
Wow, It's been a long 6 months. Seriously though, I was wondering why someone would make a new account on the Escapist of all places to ask this, like gamers are somehow experts about raising children... now I'm almost more confused.

Also, this should probably have been posted in Advice Forum.
I see this all the time in the Advice Subforum. What drives a person to copy a sob story only to feed off the drama? As a counseling therapist this intrigues me. However, I can see why someone will do this, it is likely to receive attention and support safely and anonymously without putting yourself out into the internet.

Or the person is just doing it for the lulz.
 

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HAHAHA! Relax your shit homie! You seem WAY too uptight to have a 14 year old. Yes, take her to see her mother. Egads...