No, and it honestly has little to do with the act of organ donation itself. It is currently a personal choice and given current trends we're going to have to fight tooth and nail to make the government just simply fuck off from time to time in it's citizens' private lives. Why give them this inch?
Should organ donation be manditory?
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I am generally against forced organ donorship. This is because the entire system is quite messed up with doctors deciding themselves who gets an organ instead of paying attention to the waitlist when it becomes available. I am also against giving it to certain kind of persons who in my opinion don't deserve a new set of organs. Another thing is that even if you do sign up it is very unlikely your organs will ever be used. Since they only use the organs of people who died in a hospital.
If they want my organs, the system needs to change quite a bit. I am all for helping people who I believe to be proper candidates, but I don't plan to lengthen the life of someone who has lived long enough or ruined his own organs due to excess drinking, smoking or other bad habits.
If they want my organs, the system needs to change quite a bit. I am all for helping people who I believe to be proper candidates, but I don't plan to lengthen the life of someone who has lived long enough or ruined his own organs due to excess drinking, smoking or other bad habits.
I say yes, in the hopes that I somehow take over the body of who ever receives my organs MGS style. Oh, and i guess to help the needy or some shit like that.
It's your own body, you should be allowed to decide what happens to it after death. I'm really not comfortable with the idea of people choosing things for me on a regular basis. Just because someone needs it doesn't entitle them to a part of my body.
I'm not against organ donation, I'd gladly give up a kidney for a friend or whatever, but I want to make that choice myself.
I'm not against organ donation, I'd gladly give up a kidney for a friend or whatever, but I want to make that choice myself.
Personally, I don't want to donate organs. They're mine. I grew 'em, I should be able to say what is done with them after I'm stone dead. If you want them? Buy them from my family (since a corpse becomes property of the relatives according to law) at the prices I set. Not selfish, and it benefits someone I actually give a damn about.
As far as mandatory/opt-out goes, no, thank you. I much rather like the opt-in status that the organ donor program has now. If it were mandatory, I'd purposefully find a way to die (when my time had run out, of course) that would make them useless. I don't like being forced to do something I have no interest in; why should I have to pay extra money each time I renew my license to make sure it stays that way?
As far as mandatory/opt-out goes, no, thank you. I much rather like the opt-in status that the organ donor program has now. If it were mandatory, I'd purposefully find a way to die (when my time had run out, of course) that would make them useless. I don't like being forced to do something I have no interest in; why should I have to pay extra money each time I renew my license to make sure it stays that way?
Anyone who insists on keeping their organs when they're dead frankly doesn't deserve the organs in the first place (unless the donation would cause grief for religious family members who continue to live on). That's like burning your house down when you lose your job, or killing your girlfriend if she breaks up with you. The "If I can't have it nobody can" mentality is just sick, just like the "Screw everyone else" mentality.
Before posting, I'd like to note that I'm not pinpointing any one individual, primarily just the topic at hand, though it may appear otherwise, however:
Seriously, what is wrong with some people? I'm not anti-organ donation (though I'm not an organ donor), but I don't understand how you dipshits seem to think you are well within your right to loom over my soon-to-die self brandishing a fucking hacksaw whispering, "Annnnny second now..." and not see how the viewpoint that you have some stake to claim on something that was and never should be yours by some made up eminent domain of body theory isn't pure fucking insanity. It's your BODY for God's sake, not a television or sports card collection. Sure, I'm not using the organs, and they could be given a second home to save a life. Fine. Great. Fantastic. But that does NOT give you fucking vultures grounds to go in shouting, "Dibs on his eyeballs!" and just take whatever the hell you want if I didn't want you to have them. It's MINE! Forever, until the end of time. I'm sorry you need a new kidney, really, but your needs do not obligate me to relinquish mine, in death or otherwise.
Why is this even considered an acceptable topic for debate? Realistically, I don't understand how anyone could validate this logic. Perhaps it's this growing trend of a false sense of entitlement that fuels this ridiculousness that results in people saying, "They're mine because go fuck yourself!" within society today.
I'm very much for organ donation, even if I haven't the courage to volunteer myself. It does wonderful things for people, and that should be applauded. However, I stand much firmer on pro-choice issues, and your claim that simply because I'm dead you or anyone else has the right to come in and take whatever you deem necessary. Sure, it's not QUITE the same as getting drunk in Aruba, acting like a tit, and waking up a few pounds and a kidney lighter on a beach, but it's DAMNED close, because you're effectively wanting to infringe upon my rights as a human and demand compensation in the form of body parts because I had the audacity to.. die?
I simply find it offensive that some would be so brazen as to suggest that yourselves or the government should decide what to do with my body without regard for my last wishes or those of my family. Sure, it could save a life, but if myself nor my family wishes to leave the remains intact, so it should be done without reservation.
Seriously, what is wrong with some people? I'm not anti-organ donation (though I'm not an organ donor), but I don't understand how you dipshits seem to think you are well within your right to loom over my soon-to-die self brandishing a fucking hacksaw whispering, "Annnnny second now..." and not see how the viewpoint that you have some stake to claim on something that was and never should be yours by some made up eminent domain of body theory isn't pure fucking insanity. It's your BODY for God's sake, not a television or sports card collection. Sure, I'm not using the organs, and they could be given a second home to save a life. Fine. Great. Fantastic. But that does NOT give you fucking vultures grounds to go in shouting, "Dibs on his eyeballs!" and just take whatever the hell you want if I didn't want you to have them. It's MINE! Forever, until the end of time. I'm sorry you need a new kidney, really, but your needs do not obligate me to relinquish mine, in death or otherwise.
Why is this even considered an acceptable topic for debate? Realistically, I don't understand how anyone could validate this logic. Perhaps it's this growing trend of a false sense of entitlement that fuels this ridiculousness that results in people saying, "They're mine because go fuck yourself!" within society today.
I'm very much for organ donation, even if I haven't the courage to volunteer myself. It does wonderful things for people, and that should be applauded. However, I stand much firmer on pro-choice issues, and your claim that simply because I'm dead you or anyone else has the right to come in and take whatever you deem necessary. Sure, it's not QUITE the same as getting drunk in Aruba, acting like a tit, and waking up a few pounds and a kidney lighter on a beach, but it's DAMNED close, because you're effectively wanting to infringe upon my rights as a human and demand compensation in the form of body parts because I had the audacity to.. die?
I simply find it offensive that some would be so brazen as to suggest that yourselves or the government should decide what to do with my body without regard for my last wishes or those of my family. Sure, it could save a life, but if myself nor my family wishes to leave the remains intact, so it should be done without reservation.
I'm sure that your point of view makes sense, however -and please don't take this as offensive- I have not read the previous post because I have literally argued my guts out about this with about 6 people and I can't be bothered any more... SorryDamura said:
Well suppose a rich and connected person needs an organ, he could just have the underground kill someone in order to get his organ, if donation was mandatory. Same with becoming a registered donor while you' are still alive ... The best thing is to have the family decide, unfortunately for those who need organs.
No, the world should just be less whiny about cloned organs tailor made to patients. No problems with rejection, no need to scoop out the innards of other people. I'd rather have a bespoke kidney/lung/testicle with no fear of a horrible immune response than having someone else's and having to take immunosuppressants for the rest of my life.
And noone is allowed my organs unless I say so. Some might call it selfish, but I'm not going to go around asking for organs in the event I need them so I don't see a problem with it.
And noone is allowed my organs unless I say so. Some might call it selfish, but I'm not going to go around asking for organs in the event I need them so I don't see a problem with it.
Purely on the grounds of logic; if you don't need them then there is no reson why they can't be used by others.Father Time said:
Folowing that way of thinking, the family has no right to the deceased ones things, as well, because other people need them more. And trust me, there will allways be other people who will need them more. So, yeah, i completely disagree with you.TheEndlessSleep said:
Make it opt-out. Or only those who are registered as donors can receive donations themselves.
(unless of course they have organs which can't be used for whatever reason.)
(unless of course they have organs which can't be used for whatever reason.)
Not really, he never said that they should go to the most needy, just that they should be used not wasted. But it's very unlikely that the family will have any real use for them.Uncreation said: